Canadian Healthcare vs US healthcare
Banff @ Sun Feb 26, 2006 11:45 am
It cuts both ways. 
now you're getting the hang of it
I will admitt that several people here find preserving life which won't last is contravercial . I find it tough to keep seniors (example) needlessly alive when there are so many and who are no longer productive members of society , or building ramps on buses and public places is a burden to tax payers and fees to ride buses to accomodate the severely handicapped , but how would it all balance when it is true , people profit from preserving life such as the special olympics.
.... also in the long run I would imagine you would agree that if we were to not pick favorites , A young family with two kids under the age of 3 in which the mother and father were killed in a natural disaster or car accident ....we should just leave the children to starve and die because thats just the real world and just another burden on the tax payer . The US system is old out of date and neandrathol thats why people are coming around to things such as WIC in the US .
Scape @ Sun Feb 26, 2006 3:04 pm
Bush's 'fine' economy sees millions go hungry
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Three days after Milwaukee, the US Federal Reserve published its triennial survey of consumer finances while Second Harvest, the nation's largest domestic hunger-relief organisation, released the latest figures on US poverty.
The data give a different perspective of the "fine" US economy.
The consumer report showed that median net worth in the US had grown just 1.5 per cent between 2001-04 -- the period of the Bush administration -- compared with 10.3 per cent between 1998-2001.
The reduction was due mainly to a sharp rise in household debt -- particularly home mortgage debt -- and a decline in real wages. Adjusted for inflation, wages have actually fallen 6.2 per cent.
Wages falling this much in a period of low unemployment certainly does not augur well for the next jobs crisis, but there was more worrying news in the figures on savings and share market investment.
The number of families saying they had saved money in 2005 fell 3.1 points to 56.1 per cent while the percentage of families that bought shares directly or indirectly through mutual funds fell 3.3 points to 48.6 per cent.
Significantly, the reduction in stock ownership was the first recorded by the Fed since the consumer finance survey began way back in 1989.
But the most alarming news was in the growing number of people in Bush's fine economy who are hungry.
The Second Harvest report, using figures compiled before hurricanes Katrina and Rita, showed that 25 million Americans had been forced to get food from the organisation's network of food banks, soup kitchens and shelters in 2005, up 9 per cent from 2001.
The hungry included 9 million children (aged under 18 ) and 3 million elderly people.
The trend is reflected in data collected last year by the US Department of Agriculture, which found that more than 38 million Americans lived in hungry or "food insecure" households -- an increase of 5 million since 2000.
Second Harvest questioned about 30,000 food distribution agencies as part of its survey. More than 40 per cent of them said funding problems threatened their future work.
But the statistic that stood out most was the one that said 36 per cent of people who came seeking food lived in households where at least one person worked.
It means increasing numbers of working people in the US don't earn enough for their families to eat properly.
The data give a different perspective of the "fine" US economy.
The consumer report showed that median net worth in the US had grown just 1.5 per cent between 2001-04 -- the period of the Bush administration -- compared with 10.3 per cent between 1998-2001.
The reduction was due mainly to a sharp rise in household debt -- particularly home mortgage debt -- and a decline in real wages. Adjusted for inflation, wages have actually fallen 6.2 per cent.
Wages falling this much in a period of low unemployment certainly does not augur well for the next jobs crisis, but there was more worrying news in the figures on savings and share market investment.
The number of families saying they had saved money in 2005 fell 3.1 points to 56.1 per cent while the percentage of families that bought shares directly or indirectly through mutual funds fell 3.3 points to 48.6 per cent.
Significantly, the reduction in stock ownership was the first recorded by the Fed since the consumer finance survey began way back in 1989.
But the most alarming news was in the growing number of people in Bush's fine economy who are hungry.
The Second Harvest report, using figures compiled before hurricanes Katrina and Rita, showed that 25 million Americans had been forced to get food from the organisation's network of food banks, soup kitchens and shelters in 2005, up 9 per cent from 2001.
The hungry included 9 million children (aged under 18 ) and 3 million elderly people.
The trend is reflected in data collected last year by the US Department of Agriculture, which found that more than 38 million Americans lived in hungry or "food insecure" households -- an increase of 5 million since 2000.
Second Harvest questioned about 30,000 food distribution agencies as part of its survey. More than 40 per cent of them said funding problems threatened their future work.
But the statistic that stood out most was the one that said 36 per cent of people who came seeking food lived in households where at least one person worked.
It means increasing numbers of working people in the US don't earn enough for their families to eat properly.
Banff @ Sun Feb 26, 2006 3:23 pm
Maybe the only resolution to this whole thing is pouring more money into post secondary education , and call me crazy but possibly public/private grade schools too .
Scape @ Sun Feb 26, 2006 3:44 pm
In BC we have put aside $400M for that exact need.
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Spending on the budget focused on enhanced services for children and expanded skills training programs designed, in the government's words, to keep the province growing with confidence. $421 million is targeted at programs for vulnerable children, while $400 million was set aside to increase training and skills development and to expand post-secondary education. This $400 million includes $90 million for a new tax credit program over three years to encourage businesses to help train the workforce - however, details will only be announced after consultation with industry representatives from around the province.
It is not a single spear head either, there are multiple aspects to this such as the focus on tax relief with the private sector and getting skilled labour to the sectors that need it most such as mining and forestry.
Keither @ Sun Feb 26, 2006 9:36 pm
http://www.onthefencefilms.com/video/deadmeat/
Scape @ Sun Feb 26, 2006 10:08 pm
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In British Columbia, more than 400,000 hospital-based surgeries and treatments are performed each year. If you need surgery or treatment that is not an emergency, you will be placed on a wait list. An individual who needs emergency surgery does not go on a waitlist; they receive treatment without delay.
$60.5M INITIATIVE TO REDUCE SURGERY WAIT TIMES
USA-AOK @ Sun Feb 26, 2006 10:19 pm
Scape Scape:
The Second Harvest report, using figures compiled before hurricanes Katrina and Rita, showed that 25 million Americans had been forced to get food from the organisation's network of food banks, soup kitchens and shelters in 2005, up 9 per cent from 2001.
25M of 300M is about 8%.
Think about that for a second. These are the dregs of society. 92% of Americans are better than they are.
Who was in the bottom 8% of your high school class? Probably a retarded kid or two, the guy who couldn't spell his own name, and numerous drug users, burnouts, and future dropouts. Most of them would be lucky to get a job at a filling station.
If THESE are the only people in America who are going hungry, I'd say they're doing damn well as a society.
Don't ya think?
Scape @ Sun Feb 26, 2006 10:27 pm
I disagree with eugenics as a reason to deny care.
USA-AOK @ Sun Feb 26, 2006 10:29 pm
Scape Scape:
I disagree with eugenics as a reason to deny care.
As do I. Government intervention is the true evil here.
Scape @ Sun Feb 26, 2006 10:44 pm
How many of the 'dregs of society' die every year as compared to those on wait lists for hip surgery?
USA-AOK @ Sun Feb 26, 2006 10:45 pm
Scape Scape:
How many of the 'dregs of society' die every year as compared to those on wait lists for hip surgery?
The bigger question is, who the heck cares about the dregs of society?
Scape @ Sun Feb 26, 2006 10:54 pm
USA-AOK USA-AOK:
Scape Scape:
How many of the 'dregs of society' die every year as compared to those on wait lists for hip surgery?
The bigger question is, who the heck cares about the dregs of society?
I nominate USA-AOK for sociopath.
USA-AOK @ Sun Feb 26, 2006 10:56 pm
lily lily:
Those using soup kitchens, food banks, shelters and the like are abused women (and their kids), those who have been laid off for an extended period of time, and others in equally sad circumstances.
So, let's see... women with poor judgment who spread their legs for a criminal, and unproductive losers too lazy to work.
Yep, sounds like the dregs to me.
$1:
They're not "the dregs" of society.
If they aren't, who is?
USA-AOK @ Sun Feb 26, 2006 11:00 pm
Scape Scape:
I nominate USA-AOK for sociopath.
Agree or disagree: The world would be a better place if the dregs just went away?
Scape @ Sun Feb 26, 2006 11:02 pm
Who are you to judge?