How does Canada have more freedom then America?
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michaelredeagle @ Thu Apr 07, 2005 5:15 pm
For one thing, "should Canada be invaded by a dictator"
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/cdnmi ... eeper.html
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/s ... e=&no_ads=
Should america find itself run by a dictator.....
..oh wait, too late.
I wonder how many of you americans know that every Province has different taxes?
Even funnier, we're here now and getting paid and still eating and paying rent, going to the movies and buying cars and so on... What do you think it is up here, England in need of a Robin Hood?
"alms for the poor, sir?"
Our taxes are a little high, but WE are getting our country out of debt... can you say the same?
http://mwhodges.home.att.net/nat-debt/debt-nat-a.htm
BartSimpson @ Thu Apr 07, 2005 5:23 pm
jadeofthenorth jadeofthenorth:
PeterFinn PeterFinn:
jadeofthenorth jadeofthenorth:
WarHawkster WarHawkster:
Yes. Our taxes are too high.
I've told you several times that those high taxes pay for health care and education. If you don't like it, leave. If it were up to me, we'd pay higher taxes and the gov't would cover all of our health needs, braces, glasses, medication, etc. as well as all of our education (including post secondary).
You don't get this, do you? The government is not paying for these services, YOU ARE.
And what ends up happening is that the non-producing tax-eaters will be subsidized by the producing taxpayers.
There is an old saying that no country has ever taxed itself into prosperity.
Canada cannot tax itself into prosperity either. High taxes just encourage entrepreneurial Canadians to move to the USA where taxes are not quite so high.
And, at a certain point, an overtaxed country will collapse economically or culturally.
The USSR was a good example of a country with an effective tax rate of 100% that failed.
The United Kingdom once had a 95% tax rate that caused nothing more than a hemorrhage of capital and business to other shores.
Your utopian ideas are warm and fuzzy, but they don't work in the real world where people do not have to keep their wealth in Canada where people like you can have the government steal it on your behalf.
http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jse ... sbid=lc03a
There is a list of the countries with the highest standards of living
The Top 3 are:
1. Norway
2. Sweden
3. Canada
http://www.heritage.org/research/featur ... ?id=Norway
"Norway’s top income tax rate is 47.5 percent: a 28 percent standard tax rate plus a 19.5 percentage point surtax on incomes above NOK 872,000. The top corporate tax rate is 28 percent. Government expenditures as a share of GDP increased less in 2003 (0.7 percentage point to 48.4 percent) than they did in 2002 (2.5 percentage points). On net, Norway’s fiscal burden of government score is 0.2 point better this year."
http://www.heritage.org/research/featur ... ?id=Sweden
"Sweden’s income tax burden is one of the heaviest among the world’s industrialized economies: a 60 percent top income tax rate. The top corporate tax rate is 28 percent. In 2003, government expenditures as a share of GDP increased 0.6 percentage point to 59 percent, compared to a 1.4 percentage point increase in 2002. On net, Sweden’s fiscal burden of government score is 0.1 point better this year."
http://www.heritage.org/research/featur ... ?id=Canada
"Canada’s top income tax rate is 29 percent. Its top corporate tax rate is 22.1 percent, down from the 24.12 percent reported in the 2004 Index. Government expenditures as a share of GDP decreased less in 2003 (down 0.5 percentage point to 40.1 percent) than they did in the previous year (1.1 percentage point). On net, Canada’s fiscal burden of government score is 0.2 point better this year."
So there is your evidence. The two countries with higher standards of living than Canada BOTH pay more taxes that Canada. Health care and education are both imporntany factors in the standard of living. I don't expect Norway or Sweden to colapes anytime in the near future.
Sweden in 2003 started ending public subsidized housing due to the untenable influx of Muslims who do not work. The vaunted national health programs in Germany, Sweden, Netherlands, and France are also being reorganized currently. The UK is actually initiating privatisation of aspects of the national health.
Norway also has vast oil income that you are not accounting that contributes to the government coffers. Likewise the same of Canada.
And since Canada has such a great standard of living then why do Canadians illegally sneak into the USA to get away from it?
Canada has a signifcant illegal immigrant deficit compared to the USA - there are no streams of Americans sneaking into Canada to enjoy that high standard of living.
Tman1 @ Thu Apr 07, 2005 5:27 pm
PeterFinn PeterFinn:
jadeofthenorth jadeofthenorth:
PeterFinn PeterFinn:
jadeofthenorth jadeofthenorth:
WarHawkster WarHawkster:
Yes. Our taxes are too high.
I've told you several times that those high taxes pay for health care and education. If you don't like it, leave. If it were up to me, we'd pay higher taxes and the gov't would cover all of our health needs, braces, glasses, medication, etc. as well as all of our education (including post secondary).
You don't get this, do you? The government is not paying for these services, YOU ARE.
And what ends up happening is that the non-producing tax-eaters will be subsidized by the producing taxpayers.
There is an old saying that no country has ever taxed itself into prosperity.
Canada cannot tax itself into prosperity either. High taxes just encourage entrepreneurial Canadians to move to the USA where taxes are not quite so high.
And, at a certain point, an overtaxed country will collapse economically or culturally.
The USSR was a good example of a country with an effective tax rate of 100% that failed.
The United Kingdom once had a 95% tax rate that caused nothing more than a hemorrhage of capital and business to other shores.
Your utopian ideas are warm and fuzzy, but they don't work in the real world where people do not have to keep their wealth in Canada where people like you can have the government steal it on your behalf.
http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jse ... sbid=lc03a
There is a list of the countries with the highest standards of living
The Top 3 are:
1. Norway
2. Sweden
3. Canada
http://www.heritage.org/research/featur ... ?id=Norway
"Norway’s top income tax rate is 47.5 percent: a 28 percent standard tax rate plus a 19.5 percentage point surtax on incomes above NOK 872,000. The top corporate tax rate is 28 percent. Government expenditures as a share of GDP increased less in 2003 (0.7 percentage point to 48.4 percent) than they did in 2002 (2.5 percentage points). On net, Norway’s fiscal burden of government score is 0.2 point better this year."
http://www.heritage.org/research/featur ... ?id=Sweden
"Sweden’s income tax burden is one of the heaviest among the world’s industrialized economies: a 60 percent top income tax rate. The top corporate tax rate is 28 percent. In 2003, government expenditures as a share of GDP increased 0.6 percentage point to 59 percent, compared to a 1.4 percentage point increase in 2002. On net, Sweden’s fiscal burden of government score is 0.1 point better this year."
http://www.heritage.org/research/featur ... ?id=Canada
"Canada’s top income tax rate is 29 percent. Its top corporate tax rate is 22.1 percent, down from the 24.12 percent reported in the 2004 Index. Government expenditures as a share of GDP decreased less in 2003 (down 0.5 percentage point to 40.1 percent) than they did in the previous year (1.1 percentage point). On net, Canada’s fiscal burden of government score is 0.2 point better this year."
So there is your evidence. The two countries with higher standards of living than Canada BOTH pay more taxes that Canada. Health care and education are both imporntany factors in the standard of living. I don't expect Norway or Sweden to colapes anytime in the near future.
Sweden in 2003 started ending public subsidized housing due to the untenable influx of Muslims who do not work. The vaunted national health programs in Germany, Sweden, Netherlands, and France are also being reorganized currently. The UK is actually initiating privatisation of aspects of the national health.
Norway also has vast oil income that you are not accounting that contributes to the government coffers. Likewise the same of Canada.
And since Canada has such a great standard of living then why do Canadians illegally sneak into the USA to get away from it?
Canada has a signifcant illegal immigrant deficit compared to the USA - there are no streams of Americans sneaking into Canada to enjoy that high standard of living.
Riiiiight, Canadians want to "illegally" immigrate to the U.S when its soooo much easier to fill out the paper work. You have proof to support this claim? Beyond my comprehension why people would want to "sneak" into the U.S when its better here.
michaelredeagle @ Thu Apr 07, 2005 5:39 pm
$1:
And since Canada has such a great standard of living then why do Canadians illegally sneak into the USA to get away from it?
Canada has a signifcant illegal immigrant deficit compared to the USA - there are no streams of Americans sneaking into Canada to enjoy that high standard of living.
Canada has a signifcant illegal immigrant deficit compared to the USA - there are no streams of Americans sneaking into Canada to enjoy that high standard of living.
????? This country is filling in with americans fleeing the insanity of the us
http://www.willthomas.net/Convergence/W ... merica.htm
http://immigration.about.com/od/livingi ... nada_2.htm
http://www.jameslove.com/move_to_canada.htm
http://www.onlypunjab.com/fullstory1004 ... 21575.html
http://www.statcan.ca/english/Pgdb/demo34a.htm
Hell, to travel you can purchase a Canadian kit with t-shirt and patches so that people of the world don't kill you.
Tman1 @ Thu Apr 07, 2005 5:43 pm
Yah think he had it backwards.
michaelredeagle @ Thu Apr 07, 2005 5:47 pm
Among other things....
BartSimpson @ Thu Apr 07, 2005 6:03 pm
Granted, there are far fewer Canadians sneaking into the USA than Mexicans. Still the various figures you can poll on Google cite 15,000 to 120,000 per year from Canada to the USA.
The Canadian Post cites 120,000.
But shall we return to tax rates?
What is 'too much', I am curious?
40%?
50%?
95%?
Why not just become a slave and let your master provide for you?
Move to Cuba. I hear tell they have a high literacy rate and they have 100% free health care for everyone.
It's a worker's paradise!
Just like Canada could be.
Tman1 @ Thu Apr 07, 2005 6:28 pm
PeterFinn PeterFinn:
Granted, there are far fewer Canadians sneaking into the USA than Mexicans. Still the various figures you can poll on Google cite 15,000 to 120,000 per year from Canada to the USA.
The Canadian Post cites 120,000.
But shall we return to tax rates?
What is 'too much', I am curious?
40%?
50%?
95%?
Why not just become a slave and let your master provide for you?
Move to Cuba. I hear tell they have a high literacy rate and they have 100% free health care for everyone.
It's a worker's paradise!
Just like Canada could be.
The Canadian Post cites 120,000.
But shall we return to tax rates?
What is 'too much', I am curious?
40%?
50%?
95%?
Why not just become a slave and let your master provide for you?
Move to Cuba. I hear tell they have a high literacy rate and they have 100% free health care for everyone.
It's a worker's paradise!
Just like Canada could be.
Well could you maybe just post a link to this please? Im curious as the how the Canadians that you claim keep illegally entering for some reason.
Franco Unamerican @ Thu Apr 07, 2005 7:43 pm
PeterFinn PeterFinn:
Granted, there are far fewer Canadians sneaking into the USA than Mexicans. Still the various figures you can poll on Google cite 15,000 to 120,000 per year from Canada to the USA.
The Canadian Post cites 120,000.
But shall we return to tax rates?
The Canadian Post cites 120,000.
But shall we return to tax rates?
No lets not return to tax rates... provide the post !!
Tman1 @ Thu Apr 07, 2005 7:44 pm
Thanks thekafilkafish I just said that but thanks for adding on that.
jadeofthenorth @ Thu Apr 07, 2005 8:01 pm
PeterFinn the onus is on you. Get some proof please.
michaelredeagle @ Fri Apr 08, 2005 10:52 am
By your math, we should be running out of Canadians soon....?
120.000 a year in a country that has 30,000,000 jeeze, you think we'd notice all the missing Canadians everywhere.... 
jadeofthenorth @ Fri Apr 08, 2005 12:05 pm
PeterFinn PeterFinn:
Granted, there are far fewer Canadians sneaking into the USA than Mexicans. Still the various figures you can poll on Google cite 15,000 to 120,000 per year from Canada to the USA.
The Canadian Post cites 120,000.
The Canadian Post cites 120,000.
What is the Canadian Post? Is it anything like The Paris Business Review, Bill?
michaelredeagle @ Fri Apr 08, 2005 12:42 pm
No postie, no debatie....
Looking for a link that doesn't exist.
ManifestDestiny @ Fri Apr 08, 2005 3:32 pm
michaelredeagle michaelredeagle:
No postie, no debatie....
Looking for a link that doesn't exist.
Looking for a link that doesn't exist.
Hereee yaa gooo
http://www.migrationinformation.org/USf ... cfm?ID=244
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