Canada Kicks Ass
How does Canada have more freedom then America?

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Scape @ Mon Apr 04, 2005 12:30 pm

NYCisHome NYCisHome:
Why does no one in your family not have health insurance?
A top insurance company as the new Enron?

NYCisHome NYCisHome:
As far as Uncensored media. For Canadian Radio and TV stations to be granted license to broadcast, they are REQUIRED to play a certain percentage (defined as "in no case less than predominant use") of content produced by Canadians. This essentially amounts to censorship of international media in order for Canadians to advance their nonexistent cultural identity. It isn't so much advancement of Canadian culture so much as it is avoidance of media from everywhere else. Also, part of Canadians' tax money goes towards running the media. Hmmm.. State-run media that highlights how great Canada is. Sounds a little like a Soviet era Pravda style propaganda machine to me. But dont ake my word for it. .http://www.crtc.gc.ca/


A Pravda styled media and supporting what is Canadian are not the same issue. No one says that international media is banned in Canada but what is made in Canada get's in line 1st as well it should as this is Canada. Where would you rather see Canadian media, Mexico? Canada has cultural identity. You can choose to recognize it but that is not required. Dismissing it out of hand is just inflammatory.

   



Defector01 @ Mon Apr 04, 2005 2:29 pm

Stories aren't far fetched, tours of duty is correct but "terms", "duties", "rotations" are often used by enlisted as a slang...(like TDY's, PCS's etc) sorry for the confusion...however, the story about my mother is years in the making and the reasons why are long and as far as the statement i made about "health care making a buck instead of looking after those in need" is based again on more detail than i care to share...My family is COMPLETELY covered...the reference is more to the fact as to WHY is there no cure for the common cold? why is the no cure for a lot of things...because the health care HMO and Pham companies make WAY more money of the treatment than the cure. Again no harm, no foul...my story was shorten for space and not in detail...regardless...I to am a "Vet" now and the VA hospitals are so pathetic that why bother. I appreciate your input and your reflection on the matter.

But it's not far fetched, it real and happened. Dad's new knee is doing fine and Mom's not suffering anymore. As far as health care coverage for the rest of the family...my brother pays $165 every two weeks for his health care. My other siblings have care as well but frankly don't know the price they pay. but as with anything...you get what you pay for.

Thanks again and hopefully I didn't offend...

   



EXOTiCASS @ Mon Apr 04, 2005 8:31 pm

Oh, I see, but aren't you trying to disprove what people say? But if it wasn't your intention to get people angered, I guess it's all good then. Because you do understand their is no meaning to this topic if people are raging their own comments when they don't care to truly understand the meaning and support of others'.

   



PJB @ Tue Apr 05, 2005 9:58 am

U.S. gets tough on Canadians

Sheldon Alberts
CanWest News Service

Tuesday, April 05, 2005


WASHINGTON -- The days of Canadians flashing their birth certificate or driver's licence at the U.S. border may soon be coming to an end.

The Bush administration is set to impose increased security screening of Canadians visiting the United States -- including a possible requirement for new travel documents -- as part of tough anti-terrorism measures being announced today.

Compelled by legislation President George W. Bush signed last December, the Department of Homeland Security is unveiling a Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative that will require "all U.S. citizens and foreign nationals to present a passport or other appropriate secure identity and citizenship document" when entering the United States, according to a notice released Monday.

New documentation requirements will be phased in for Canadians at the end of 2006.

Though the exact details of the U.S. initiative were being kept under wraps Monday, sources said there will be no immediate change to rules allowing Canadians to enter the country without a passport.

But the U.S. could require visitors to present another form of documentation with more security features than those available on Canadian driver's licences and birth certificates currently accepted as proof of citizenship and identity at border crossings.

One option that has been under discussion is the introduction of a border crossing card, or "laser visa," that would include some form of biometric identifier. The cards are currently issued to most Mexicans entering the U.S.

Because of its potential impact on millions of travelers, the U.S. government's plan has come under intense criticism ever since the broad policy was sketched out in the Intelligence Reform and Prevention of Terrorism Act of 2004.

The legislation sets a Jan. 1, 2008 deadline for Homeland Security to require U.S. citizens to carry a "passport or other documents, or combination of documents"when re-entering the country from abroad.

The bill also ordered the rules be applied to "categories of individuals," including Canadians, who have long had documentation requirements waived under Section 212 of the U.S. Immigration and Nationality Act.

"I think this could have a profound impact on the daily traffic between our two peoples and the historic relationship that has existed between the United States and Canada," John Lafalce, a former U.S. congressman from New York, said in an interview.

"I see this as extremely injurious. It could diminish the ability for both American and Canadian citizens to go back and forth across the border significantly."

Earlier this year, a group of high-profile U.S. and Canadian academics and businessmen issued a report warning the impending requirement "has the potential to disrupt cross-border movement, resulting in economic costs to border communities."

The Bush administration has been studying the need for more stringent travel documentation since the release of the 9/11 commission report last summer.

The commission levelled sharp criticisms of current rules, which allow most Canadians and Americans to travel back and forth between the two countries with minimal identification. "Americans should not be exempt from carrying biometric passports or otherwise enabling their identities to be securely verified when they enter the United States; nor should Canadians," the report said.

YET EVEN MORE AMERICAN PARANOIA. THEY ARE GOING TO COMPLETELY ISOLATE THEMSELVES AGAIN. I GUESS CANADA SHOULD START BUILDING A WALL ALONG THE 49TH PARALLEL.

   



DrDoLittle @ Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:27 am

So, what's the big deal? Every foreign country I have travelled to in Europe and Asia required me to show my passport to gain entry. I have no problem with improved border security. In fact, it's long overdue.

   



PJB @ Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:31 am

Dr. Canada and the United States have basically had open borders for the longest time. These new restrictions will do nothing to help security, all they will do is slow down the economies. With these delays and additional procedures imports and exports will slow down drastically.

   



DrDoLittle @ Tue Apr 05, 2005 1:03 pm

PJB, from your post...

$1:
The cards are currently issued to most Mexicans entering the U.S.


This doesn't seem to have curtailed imports/exports with Mexico. Why should it have that effect with Canada?

   



PJB @ Tue Apr 05, 2005 1:16 pm

DrD. Point taken. All I am saying is I hope it doesn't adversely affect travel. I already have a Canadian Passport and I prefer to use it rather than other ID when travelling.

   



michaelredeagle @ Tue Apr 05, 2005 5:08 pm

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/charter/

vs.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/s ... hub=Canada

http://www.epic.org/privacy/terrorism/hr3162.html

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d107:h.r.03162:
and for other purposes???

http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/Safeand ... 2126&c=207

http://www.poptel.org.uk/statewatch/new ... draft.html

http://www.alternet.org/story/15541

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/project ... drick.html
http://www.metnews.com/articles/2004/galv031904.htm
http://www.cfac.org/CaseLaw/Cases/us_baugh.html
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=%22 ... arch&meta=

Anymore questions as to whom has more freedoms???


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NEXT!

   



ManifestDestiny @ Tue Apr 05, 2005 5:14 pm

I have checked all of these sites and they prove nothing.NEXT!

   



Monorprise @ Tue Apr 05, 2005 5:36 pm

NYCisHome NYCisHome:
Since I have joined this forum I keep hearing how Canada is more free than the US. I would like to hear how it is more free.

Canada isn’t, Canadian just like to tell themselves that so to make them fell good and some how different and better than the Untied States of America.
If anything Canada is much less free than the US, one has to read only in that sham they call a constitution, to realize this. Their Constitution while appearing to grant Canadians basic civil rights really doesn’t mean anything as it contains a not withstanding clause that effetely allows their government to overwrite it(stripe them of their freedoms) anytime it want and thus they have no freedoms or “Guaranteed rights”.
It’s a meaningless document, made so by the way it was written and only server to reinforce what has already and long existed in Canada. Government can take away and stripe you of your basic human rights legally anytime it wants to. And thus there is no real freedom there.

Juno Juno:
How about the Patriot Act...... what does that do to your civil liberties and freedoms?

Gives us freedom of security, Have you actual read the thing?

xerxes xerxes:
Here's some examples troll.

Hardly a creatable source "AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL" carry’s 0 creatable as they have a long history of being anti-American hypocritical and dishonest propagandists in reporting.

   



michaelredeagle @ Tue Apr 05, 2005 6:15 pm

Funny how you would classify any group that says something bad about america as anti-american, Monorprise.

and as for NYCisCraps response, if you read any of those posts you would see everything that the guy said and more. Some of those are from the us lib of congr.
The question was one of "How does Canada have more freedom then America?"

To which every one of those links stand on their own.

Canada has more freedoms because it is not america. Re-check the links.

   



ManifestDestiny @ Tue Apr 05, 2005 6:21 pm

I have read alot of your posts MIKE you should change your name to michaelbullshitsoutofhisass!

   



xerxes @ Tue Apr 05, 2005 6:28 pm

$1:
Hardly a creatable source "AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL" carry’s 0 creatable as they have a long history of being anti-American hypocritical and dishonest propagandists in reporting.


So is there an organization or source, if it had the same data, you would find credible? I doubt it. Why? Because people like you, NYC, WarHawk, and co. automatically dismiss anything that speaks any potential ill of the US. As soon as someone questions a myth (America is the land of the free and opportunity, etc.) you automatically assume it's a "liberal" source and therefore, a source who's only motivation is to attack American unjustly and mailiciously.

   



ManifestDestiny @ Tue Apr 05, 2005 9:25 pm

What the hell is this publication ban on the geormy testimony? You call that freedom? Your charter of freedoms and rights could be used to wipe michaelredeagles ass. Your average Canadian should be up in arms for this. warhawkster and hwacker are some of the only freedom loving canadians on this site.

   



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