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You berate me on my spelling of lieberal then respond with that?

Wow, pot, kettle black.

   

Mine was a careless spelling mistake your's is deliberate and tedious childish namecalling

   

[quote “IcedCap”] what are you blabbering on about,[/quote]

I was being facetious, I didn’t expect you to comprehend the double meaning through the sarcasm.

[quote “IcedCap”] try to put aside your hatred of all things East of Manitoba to understand this because you obviously didn't get it first time I AM NOT A LIBERAL, I'm one of the 75% of eligible Ontario voters who didn't vote Liberal at the last election who're sick and tired of the constant abuse this province gets from the likes of you. I know you don't really care about fixing Canada anymore being a separatist but a word of advice for the others who do still care, when the Liberals get 50% or more of all eligible Ontario voters supporting them then feel free to label an entire province until then try to separate your hatred of Liberals from your hatred of Ontarians because they're two different things.[/quote]

I thought about it and I don’t see any difference in the Libranos, their policies and the imperatives of the Ontario people.

Additionally, since I disagree with the whole Ontario/Lieberal thing I find it telling that you label me a separatist. Next step I suppose is one of them there coveted “anti-Canadian” type medals I’m told they use to label the non-party faithful.

Nevertheless, you can sit there on Queen St. under the auspices of the weeks gay pride parade, sipping your cappuccino while you type on your laptop that you are not a Lieberal however, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck……

(Can't get darn quotes to work. anyone know what is wrong?)

   

Sarcasm is the last resort of an over matched wit.



No. Klein told the world that Alberta cannot be trusted when they say their beef is mad-cow free. His comment hurt your case and still you blame the liberals.



Enlighten us then. Explain how the liberals are completely at fault for the US not re-opening their border. Think harper would do any better? I though not.



Yes I do. You people cry about not having any representation in the federal government.

AB fed seats:
1965: 15 PC, 2 SC (social credit).
1968: 16 PC, 3 Lib
1972: 19 PC
1974: 19 PC
1979: 21 PC
1980: 21 PC
1984: 21 PC
1988: 25 PC, 1 NDP
1993: 21 reform, 5 Lib
1997: 24 reform, 2Lib --> minister of justice & secretary of state
2000: 23 Alliance, 1 PC, 1 Lib
2004: 26 conservatives, 2 libs --> deputy PM & sec of state.

You never vote for the ruling party at all. Its your own fault you have no representation. You are a one party province and yet you attack other provinces "because they always vote liberal" which is a lie.

When the party you support does get in power they nearly bankrupt us which you blame on the east anyway. I've already shown that the libs handed a small debt & deficit to the PC's but the PC's ran 7 sonsecutive 30 Billion deficits and more then tripled the debt. They handed a far greater debt to the libs but they handled it.

You are the ones who only vote a single party and when they screw it up you just blame the east and form a newer worse party which cannot win any more then the NDP.

You have continually shown that you will not vote liberal and yet wonder why they are not going out of their way for alberta. Then you say that it is only fair that the US sticks it to us for allegedly not supporting them when we have done nothing of the sort. By your own logic why should the liberals do anything for a province that will not support them?



We can trade with whoever we want. We both trade with china and they are far greater human rights violators. Your point has been nullified.



Fuck you asshole. Us rotten disgusting easteners were "cheering": the terrorist attacks. That comment showed your utter lack of integrity & intelligence.



Prove it. Your last comment showed the kind of person you are so if you support that party then you are making my point for me.



I already disproved that on another thread which showed that the PC's were the culprits and the libs the saviours. None of the anti-libs refuted my budget numbers but blamed PC "social" programs "that us liberlas wanted anyway" for the debt. Alberta was instrumental in the many years of PC rule but no blame goes your way eh? Since the libs took over or debt & deficit are well under control and those "surpluses" that everyone thinks is their personal money has been going to paying down the principle. BTW, our standard of living hasn't dropped since the PC gov't.



We did. The PC gov't. Why don't you elect some western liberals from alberta so they can actually be part of the ruling party. Perhaps that's why the libs are picking up in AB & the west again. They know the conservatives can't do the job.

Wrong again!

1957: SC 14, PC 2, Lib 1
1953: SC 11, PC 3, Lib 4
1949: SC 10, PC 2, Lib 5
1945: SC 15, Lib 2
1940: SC 7, Lib 7, ND 3

We have to go all the way back to 1940 to find a time when the liberals even tied a conservative party.

You want a chance but you refuse to give any one who isn't conservative a chance in both federal & provincial gov't and yet you label other provinces as "always voting liberal" when that is just not the case. Ontario has switched its votes but Alberta never does. Why should we give you a chance when you won't do the same? I'm sure you'll dismiss those stats by saying that the liberals have always been anti-west and that's why you won't give them a chance eh?

I don't have time to continue this so I'll just leave with this

Your conservatives had every chance to force the liberals to give in to many western demands & concessions but they were blinded by the same anti-liberal hate that spews from you and other westerners. They blew it. They could have gotten a great deal of those changes but instead those all went to the NDP. You can cry all you want but in the end even your own constituents forced the conservatives to accept a budget that saw them get absolutely nothing. Harper was too stupid & blind to put aside petty mudslinging and use a political advantage to achieve at least some of his goals. He was stupid. His party was stupid for not seeing the opportunity for what it was. People that stupid do not deserve to govern.
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I called you a sepratist because I got you mixed up with another poster "Snap" who is an Albertan separatist for that I apologize and rescind that remark.

So you disregard the fact that the majority of Ontarians don't vote Liberal to continue to slander an entire province based on your own prejudices, lets be honest here you'd resent my province and city regardless of whether the Liberals were in power or not, the fact they are allows you to try and rationalize that dislike.
As for the pathetically outdated ignorant stereotyping, I bet you really believe that we're all gay and drink cappucino don't you

   

you're missing an = sign before the quotation marks.



It's so easy to resort to stereotypes, but when they're so outlandish like the above one, all it tells everyone else is that you are too lazy to see the world with your own eyes and that you prefer to cling to your vapid cariacatures of urbanites because, that way, you don't have to have your ideas and preconceptions challenged.

   

even if you are a Manc

   

Why do you lieberals trot out this jeremiad whenever one of your points fail?


Why not just blame me personally because it has about the same bearing on the BSE. You know nothing about BSE which you demonstrate over and over again.



I won't get into the reasons here because they are well known to ranchers and their academics in government, the packing industry, or anyone with any knowledge or interest in farm related issues. I cannot take the time to educate the purposely dumb on the already widely available amount of information currently out there. However, maybe I’ll fire up a new thread on Monday on that topic. Hope that would be satisfactory.



Yes, in fact they’ve already demonstrated more leadership than the Libranos have when during the recent court case in Montana where Rcalf was trying to have the border closure extended they joined a consortium of groups seeking intervener status, a typical American court procedure. The Lieberals refused opting instead for the limp-wristed observer status, of which they were laughed out of the US court system over anyway.



I knew you would regardless of the answer, that is why I don’t educate the purposely dumb.



No we don’t. We bitch about your over representation, appointed judiciary and undemocratic Senate running roughshod over ANY issue that runs contrary to Ont/Que.


Here we go again. In the first half of the century Alberta voted along the same lines as Ontario and had no outward distaste for them. Why don’t you get it that we shouldn’t have to vote lieberal out of fear of retribution. Do you really think that is what makes a nation strong?



1957-1975 the deficit was running between .05-2% GDP.
1976 –1982 average = 4.5% GDP
1983-1995 average=5.7% GDP

What you still don’t get is that the PCs & Lieberals were one in the same. We didn’t like what they did so we disbanded them. Why not be a man and disband your lieberals? Ah yes, you save that only for regiments who served their country with honour and distinction. (I’d rather eat shit with the Airborne than dine with a lieberal)



That’s just a downright dumb statement.


Man, you are one dim bulb. Not showing regional or provincial favouritism regardless of voting habits should be the first priority of a responsible government in a mature nation. I repeat….lieberal DOES NOT = Canada or patriotism .



When did I say fair? Understandable maybe I implied but outright fair?



I really shouldn’t have to keep telling you what it means to be a country anymore. Do all lieberals feel this way or is this one just particularly thick?



I answered that if I must choose only one it would be Cuba. You denigrated this to:



Each time you find yourself in the withering grasp of reason you get scared, pull a Leacock and run madly off in all directions. Case in point. First, we are debating what antagonizes the US not the actions and their validity which I’m sure most would agree is a separate argument. Two. Why exactly are you proud to boast about trading with even bigger human rights violators as if that is some sort of badge of honour? Three. My point is solid and irrefutable. Canadian support of Cuba ticks off Americans. I hate to name call but just how stupid are you?



Oh oh oh. I call bullsh*t. I saw the CBC townhall meeting in Toronto and I would say that was about the most embarrassed I’ve ever been to call myself Canadian.


You faceless tough guys are great. Where’s IcedCap when I need him?



Tell you what, do some checking, if you think you can win a bet get back to me and will set terms and make a little public wager.


Same public wager. Put your pride where your mouth is so I don’t have to drag out facts which you will only blindly refute. Let the people decide.



Amazing how you cling to the support us – be rewarded, against us – be punished sacrosanct lieberal devine right of government right to the bitter end. And IcedCap calls me a seperatist.


Lieberal Party Red Book Translation – I lose.

   

Much obliged sir.



I like Ontario a lot. When the NEP induced recession hit and we lost everything Dad had to go East for work. Did my high schooling in Burlington, was a Jr. Ranger and built portage trails outside Moosonee and Moose Factory and worked on the docks in Toronto. Loved the history of Upper Canada, and was impressed at the time because movie theatres played the national anthem. Something I took back West and vainly tried to petition the chains out here to do.



Not really, in all seriousness, having lived in both places and traveled them both extensively, Alberta is what Ontario was. Ontario is becoming what Quebec is. (Wife is from Queerbec and I've lived there too). Now, the truth is in how you interpret that. It can go left or right.

   

But we still call gay pride parades "Ontario Day"

   

braindeadprairietoy wrote:

Don't confuse me for you again. You resorted to sarcasm when your wit failed you.

braindeadprairietoy wrote:


Then post the facts instead of some anti-liberal propaganda stating that had harper been PM the border would be open, a speculation at best and a obvious lie at worst.

braindeadprairietoy wrote:


Dodge. The truth is the states closed the border for their own economic reasons and to show the japanese that their own beef wasn't contaminated with "Canadian beef" (a lie in itself). They closed their border at the behest of their beef producers and to get japan to reopen its own borders, which is the prime US market. Somehow both the japanese & US gov't decisions were the fault of the libs though eh?

braindeadprairietoy wrote:


Wrong again. Harper has shown piss poor leadership as conservative support is falling everywhere including AB. Harper showed poor leadership when he missed an obvious opportunity to force a deal with the liberals and it kills you to admit it. Even his own people forced him to support a budget he didn't want. He barreled full steam ahead with blinders on in his attempt to bring down the libs and failed. He has done nothing except the same thing you do which is spout anti-liberal hate propaganda. people are sick of it. Thats why he's a bad leader and thats why he's losing support. It is only baseless speculation on your part that would have him magically re-opening the border over the protests of his own people who still cite safety concerns about Alberta beef. You guys accuse the libs of antagonizing the US, then accuse them not forcing a confrontation. In other words you just hate it when Canada disagree's with the US.

braindeadprairietoy wrote:


A redistribution of seats per population would see only ON & AB gain seats. Ontario would have more power. In any case your province has voted only a single party for the last 50+ years yet scream murder if another province does. We voted the way you wanted in the late 80's (PC) but that didn't count eh? You just want Canada to elect a party made up entirely of Alberta people and that just isn't going to happen. Don't bitch that we do that because that just isn't the case. You never vote liberal so you never have any reps when they are in power. Just because you don't like them doesn't mean the ROC follows suit. You want reps in the next gov't then vote liberal and send some people to Ottawa, otherwise its your own fault because we won't be bullied into voting the way Alberta wants by threats.

braindeadprairietoy wrote:


Wrong again. For the first half of the century you mostly voted Social Credit which was still a conservative party. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_credit
The facts are absolutely against you. You easily dismiss your own provinces 1 party voting for almost 100 years yet still have the nerve to critize ON/QC as being liberal only provinces. If the situation were reversed you would scream at my obstinance. Why is it fair for your province to consider only a single viewpoint and dismiss all others. You want a chance and representation but are unwilling to reciprocate.

braindeadprairietoy wrote:


What you don't get is you can't do that. They were the gov't you voted in. Just washing your hands of them means you will always find something to blame. Even if we elect harper you'll just blame his failure on us anyway. Its easy to think you are always right when you don't accept responsibility for your mistakes.

BTW, I grew up in the military and am very pro-military and thought the disbanding of the airbourne was an absolute crime. I also remember growing up with my dad and the rest of us on the base blaming the PC's for all our woes. You can't just divorce yourself of the gov't you elected and "claim" that your new party will do no wrong. Even you should see the dishonesty in that.

BTW, how is our GDP-debt now? You went as far as 1995 because thats when it really started to drop. I aleady posted hard-fast economical data that shows our deficit & debt well under control. We are now able to make all debt payments without budget cuts and have been for a number of years. This will be the first year that they are not using the surplus as debt payment. last year they lopped almost 10 billion off of it. That was the surplus that QC was crying was their money.

Oh .... Surpluses both achieved and anticipated have allowed the government to direct more money toward paying off the accumulated debt. As a result, the cost of paying interest on the debt has dropped from a high of 33 cents of every dollar of revenue collected by the federal government in 1995/96 to 19 cents in 2001/02. Another promising sign is the decrease in the debt-to-GDP ratio, which gives a picture of the size of a nation's debt in relation to the size of its economy. Though still high by historical and international standards, Canada's debt-to-GDP ratio had fallen from 69% in 1995/1996 to 46% in 2001/02. Even better in 2005. Your welcome.

braindeadprairietoy wrote:


Your the province that cares the least about the ROC outside of QC as far as I can tell. If you say a country means giving other a chance then the same applies to you.

braindeadprairietoy wrote:



Only your lies say that. If you elect no representitives in the ruling party how do you expect to have a say in the gov't. In addition, I'm sure your elected officials don't support the people who elect them. I do agree however that the feds need to spend mush less time appeasing the rat separatists and more time working with the west but insulting us isn't the way to do that. Like I said before, harper missed a golden opportunity to stick it to the NDP & Bloc. You people just can't seem to see that the ROC does not consider the conservatives as the only party which you all seem to do. You will win never win with that attitude.

The rest of your stuff is just wind. I could care less that it ticks the US off that we do buisness with cuba. They do plenty to antagonize us and long before our "lack of support" in iraq.

You mentioned about starting a new thread dealing with western alienation & Madcow then go for it. Start a thread in the L-X-D forum if you want a honest meaningful debate because I doubt your response to me will be very diplomatic.

   

oi I thought that up get your own nicknames, Ok Dreary X

   

Much apologies. Sometimes something is so good it can't be resisted. I did add "toy" at the end instead of boy though. Well crafted though!

   

Not that I agree with the west separating but I can understand why they might consider it as I have lived out west for almost 20 years and only now have moved back east. It was a family thing that caused me to move back, it certainly wasn't my first choice.
This is addressed to all the folks east of Manitoba, have you ever travelled out west to visit instead of running down south to Florida every year? Have you ever sat down and TALKED with a westerner and LISTENED to what they say? For most easterners the answer is a resounding NO. Most easterners (not all) think that Canada ends at the Manitoba/Ontario border. The only thing they want from the west is their natural resources and for the west to just toe the line and shut up. Until this attitude changes towards the west you are going to see western separation movements flourish, and maybe one day the west will have their own referendum, and I don't think the east is going to like the results!
Have a nice day!

   

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