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A petty bald-faced lie. We are a true nation. The east doesn't hate the US. The Liberals are not at fault and you have forgotten all the wonderful contributions the PC gov't has made.

I don't define bymeslf by anti-US attitudes and I'm a liberal. It is the US that is fu*king over BC & AB with softwood & madcow but I see only blame being lais at the feds feet. The west screams murder whenever the feds get involved but suddenly when there are trade problems its all their fault. The fault lies soley with the US. AB could easily disrupt oil & gas fow south to help force a solution but they don't. You blame the Liberals for anti-americanism but then expect them to antagonize the US by trade reprisals which would further erode relations you will just point to that and say "see, they just can't work things out with then US". Maybe if the west stops blaming the east & the Liberals for every single problem, .... well I guess thats asking to much isn't it?

   

[quote="DerbyX'] Maybe if the west stops blaming the east & the Liberals for every single problem, .... well I guess thats asking to much isn't it?[/quote]

Ya right, as if that'll happen anytime soon..

   

"The love of one country leads to the hate of another"
-Aliyaho Pearce

   

Maybe if Ottawa took care of the West like we had as many votes as Ontario, things would be different.

grainfedprairieboy has it right. This is a political plan to ensure Quebec stays with the Liberals. Look back at the last Federal negative ads: the Con's were portrayed as "wanting to do things like Americans".
It's no wonder we're not getting any help out of the whitehouse with the kind of crap our administration's been spinning.

   

Help with what? What the hell do we need whitehouse help for? We just need them to start living up to agreements they've signed. You know, abiding by the law, playing by the rules... the way we've been doing it.

   

Why should we suck up to the current American administration. An administration that only follows laws and decisions that benefits the US. An administration that is run by corrupt policitians who are in the pockets of big business.

Canada should stick up for what we believe in and if it pisses of the neighbour next door all we have to do is wait a couple more years and it they will have a new boss. We can't ignore it and hope it goes away but we also don't have to bend over and spread our cheeks for it either.

Imagine if there was suddenly a 27% additional charge on power and gas that the United States imports from Canada. I think they would be a tad bit pissed off.

   

Ahh... no my friend.. not anti-american, pro-canadian. there's a difference.

   

Reguardless of who is in the Whitehouse, be they Republican or Democrat, the Canadian Feral Gov. needs to keep dialog and trade open because we need them more than they need us. Our entire, economy depends on it and it's time Banadians woke up to that. You can rant & rave about the US all you like but a trade war against the US would hurt us much more than the states.

BC has already lost a number of small communities that were based on logging. Unable to move value added products, we are selling raw logs, selling our raw materials and jobs to others at the lowest prices. Add in the Pine Beetle and couple that with our record low salmon returns due to DFO's mismanagement and underfunding. Is it any wonder we've lost faith?

I'm all in favor of BC & Alberta placing tarifs of a great number of things in retaliation but I've given up on help from Ottawa. There's just not enough votes out here to interest them.

   

ridenrain. A few additional tariffs might make the United States wake up and realize that they have to follow the rules of FAIR trade. Not all rulings will go their way and they cannot pick and choose which rules they want to follow.

Sure a trade war would hurt our economy but it might also open up some different doors to other trading partners. Americans depend on Canada for cheap natural gas and cheap power but if these commodities became a little more expensive they might be willing to follow fairer trade policies and quit being so protectionist.

   

make your mind up first you say the Federal Gov doesn't need a trade war with the US then you attack Ottawa for not imposing tariffs.

   

A nation wide trade war is one thing, but stopping the export of raw logs, apples from Washington and Wine from California may wake up the White house. Maybe the wine & apple lobby is stronger than the softwood lobby?


I'm all for tough trade (that dosen't sound right..) but just ranting against anything US because Bush is involved will not help Canada. George Bush was voted president by the US population and you might dislike it as much as I dislike Paul Martin being elected by the majority of Canadians. I can work to change that all I want, but I still have to accept the results of Democracy.

   

You're joking, right? Almost half the population of the entire country lives in Ontario.

<a href="http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/demo02.htm"> stats can populations </a>

Where did this "as many votes as Ontario" thing come from?

   

There is something to be said for clarity.

   

Your statement would be accurate if you changed the period following “lie” to a semi colon.

The Lieberals and their supporters are completely 100% responsible for any angst between Canada/US. Someone of intelligence, or even you, could easily list many valid points of transgression by the US against Canada. However, I can't name too many times where the US has sanctimoniously gone out of its way to deliberately embarrass or humiliate Canada. Unlike you and your ilk tales of which I could chronicle for hours.
Additionally, get over the Mulroney years and quit using it to justify your jihad against political integrity, family and Canadians residing outside the Niagara, Quebec City, Ottawa triangle. The chin was lieberal socially and economically; there is nothing he did that didn’t benefit Ont/Que first. Name one policy the Libranos couldn't have undone if they had so chose? GST, child sex laws, NAFTA etc. Play your Mulroney sob story to the other Easterners because out West we were so disgusted we broke away and created the Reform Party

From Rick Mercer to Parrish & Chretien to the original Loyalists. Lieberals define their place in this nation in part with the proviso that you are not American. Don’t BS me…do you think they don’t beam the CBC out here? Do you think I’ve never lined a birdcage with a Star/Globe editorial page and actually glanced at it? Maybe you personally would be more inclined to retract that if I plucked a few of your supporting gems from other threads.

Either you're crafty and aware that the US administration is powerless to hinder or override its lower courts in which case you're just being the quintessential deceptive lieberal or you earnestly believe that because the PM can pickup the phone and order the Supremes to make everyone in Flin Flon wear a Tutu the US admin has the same power. If that's the case then you fall into the more populous moronic lieberal category.

Your ignorance is a fascinating thing to observe. First, unlike Que/Ont premiers who routinely berate the US on policy but keep it within accepted Librano left/right arcs of fire, if Klein even winks at the US, Lieberals and the Star/Globe/Aspers/CBC fall all over themselves to express their horror and indignation. Secondly, since when does a self-acknowledged lieberal endorse a province taking unilateral action in resolving a trade dispute? Especially a province/colony used to transfer 10 billion plus a year into Quebec? Do you not see your own hypocrisy in claims of a "true nation" when in the same sentence you advocate a province resolving a dispute with a foreign government irrespective of Ottawa? WHAT THE HELL IS THE POINT OF CONFEDERATION? Thirdly, we are open for business, we’ll leave the ‘biting of the hand that feeds you’ to the experts. Forth, its only because we are open for business that we don’t shut the taps off flowing EAST and then send that South too!

Finally something we agree on.

Maybe the crux of the problem is the lieberals “Spongebob Squarepants Opposite Day” policy. Idiots! We want the lieberals to shut up and put a lid on people like you and Parrish who are an embarrassment, basically to quit poking the tiger with a stick and crying when it scratches you.

Gosh. Oh no. When you bought Belinda she leaked the hidden agenda. You're way too crafty for us country folk! Now you know that we want you to antagonize the US to the breaking point so that we can encourage you to do it some more and when you do, hoo boy will there be trouble and we’ll be able to blame you! You are just plain stupid!

West will stop blaming you when you stop screwing them around with; Kyoto, Gun Control, Charter of Rights & Freedoms, Abortion, Capital Punishment, Wheat Board, Crow Rates (historical), NEP (waiting for number 2), BSE, Same Sex Marriage, Referendums, Triple E Senate, Affirmative Action, Pearson Airport debacle, Native Apartheid, Reverse Discrimination, Adscam, HRDC Boondoggle, Inter-provincial Tariffs (historical), Helicopter Scandel, Mulroney, National Daycare, Carolyn Parrish, GST/Copps, Punitive Taxation, Equalization/Transfer Payments, Bilingualism, Multi-culturalism, National Debts & Deficits, Quebec, Property Rights, Open Immigration, Foreign Relations, Parliamentary Closure, Shawinigate, Healthcare Fascism, Quebec only PMs, Military Downsizing, Inter-provincial Trade Barriers, CCRA, FIRA (historical), Government Concentration in Ottawa/Montreal, Pettigrew, CBC Centralist Propaganda, Gay/Muslim/Atheist/Animal Rights, Sin Taxes and the CRTC, to name just a few.

By the way, I loathe personal attacks and foul language in these quasi-anonymous debate forums (I prefer them in person), so I apologise for my transgression to those on all sides of the political spectrum who erstwhile try to engage in intelligent debate and are forced to endure diatribe, personal character attacks and foul language from the over-opinionated yet ill-informed.

   

No. You lied and I didn't.



Really, how about that moron klein saying "shoot, shovel & shut-up"? That had no impact on mad-cow? That didn't ell the world that alberta was not to be trusted if they say there are no more mad cows? You blame the liberals and praise the US when they are the ones fucking you & BC over. Ontario gave loads of support in the form of buying excess beef to help AB out. Name a single valid US point on relation problems, aside from comments made by MPs? We gave support and still are in afghanistan. We all know the lies of iraq now. If you people out west had your way Canada would be blowing billions in iraq and losing soldiers all so you people can get your head a little further up bush's ass.

They went out of there way to humiliate us in the 9/11 speech, the rudeness after the friendly fire incident, the white house visit snubs, the continual problems with softwood & mad cow. memory not that good eh?



Reform party yes. Just a step above the alliance party in terms of racism, bigottry and pandering to a Xtian doctrine. I've already told you I blame the mulroney years for our massive fed debt & deficit which the liberals have solved. Your welcome BTW. You western folk think you have all the answers and can solve every problem. You want to change things then vote liberal and get some seats in parliment, then you might actually acomplish something. Harper could have easily worked with the liberals to get 1/2 of his budget demands but like most westerners seem to be nowadays he was interested in only atacking them so the NDP got what they wanted. It is your own damn fault. Harper could have made deals to scrap the registry and get budget concesions in exchange for support but he blew it. Now the liberals are gaining in strength including in Alberta. Perhaps some albertans are sick of being on the losing side and have decided to send some representatives to Ottawa with the ruling party instead of the opposition. I guess you like being a political loser eh?



Keep crying. Ever listen to ann coulter and some of the other asshole americans that shit on Canada. Conservative newspapers are so fair & balanced eh?



You really are a fuckwit eh? If AB is so powerful then it can sort its own mad-cow problems out. Your just a petty little prick who cries foul at anything remotely liberal yet expects them to bail them out when their in trouble.



Bollocks! The reverse is true. Any tiny little friction between the feds & the US and you pricks scream about our anti-americanism. I guess you are getting desperate if you have to lie now.



Then don't bitch about fed interference. Instituting punitive taxes on imports/exports is how we deal with a gov't that won't follow the rules. You want Ottawa to do that but they would have to hurt other Canadians to do it. Would you allow them to add an export tax onto gas to force the mad-cow thing? You people would scream bloody murder.



Idiot. They close their border to your beef and refuse to open it yet you don't blame them or think about trade reprisals. Ask our resident American, Bart Simpson and he'll likely tell you that no matter how good our relationship with the US is if there beef industry can lobby successfully to shut us out they will. Its all the liberals fault though eh?



Do it then. I don't think any of your oil/gas goes east anyway. The next time you have a massive fire, massive drought or beef crisis then perhaps we won't bother helping you people out. I bet you don't think Ontario has made the least bit of effort to help Alberta out when they needed it eh?



And yet you continually insult the liberals and everyone who votes for them.

   

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