New poll says most Canadians blame U.S. for 9/11 attacks
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GunPlumber @ Tue Sep 12, 2006 8:39 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
GunPlumber GunPlumber:
So, Bart,... since you pasted this article without commenting on it, I'd like to ask: did you put it here only to spur debate or because you actually believe in (or agree with) the contents and conclusion of the article?
I posted it so that an American response to the CBC poll could be heard. I also elected not to comment on it as I did not want it to be "spun" by my words.
I try to be fair once in a while...(don't tell anyone as that ruin my rep as a right wing reactionary and I kind of like that medal!).
Well, to be fair, it wasn't the CBC's poll. They only reported a portion of the result and interpreted what that meant. They managed to fool a lot of people (including Mr. Nichols - who likes to do some interpreting of his own).
At any rate, you didn't answer my question, but to be fair I think I can decipher what your response might be (hehe).
BTW, the medal only says "Right Wing" and you're a little too pro-active to meet my definition of "reactionary". Now wHacker, on the other hand,...
BartSimpson @ Tue Sep 12, 2006 8:45 am
GunPlumber GunPlumber:
Well, to be fair, it wasn't the CBC's poll. They only reported a portion of the result and interpreted what that meant. They managed to fool a lot of people (including Mr. Nichols - who likes to do some interpreting of his own).
At any rate, you didn't answer my question, but to be fair I think I can decipher what your response might be (hehe).
BTW, the medal only says "Right Wing" and you're a little too pro-active to meet my definition of "reactionary". Now wHacker, on the other hand,...
At any rate, you didn't answer my question, but to be fair I think I can decipher what your response might be (hehe).
BTW, the medal only says "Right Wing" and you're a little too pro-active to meet my definition of "reactionary". Now wHacker, on the other hand,...
All good.
Zipperfish @ Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:05 am
To answer Tom Nichols--no Canadians aren't stupid. Overall, in intelligence tests they rate the same as Americans. On education, they rate around the same as Amercians. So much for that thesis. Can't the National Review do better -- that's just weak.
As a Canadian, I have perfromed by own risk assessment and determined that the cahnce of me, my family or even anyone I care about dying in a terrorist attack is infintessimally small. The effort put into preventing terrorist atatcks should be proportional to the threat. To me, better screening at airports, better communications between intelligence agencies and better on ground intelligence (especially in domestic mosques) is good enough. Apart from knocking off the Taliban, and making sure they stay knocked off, I don't see the point of remaking the Middle East. We should also continue to support Israel. The cost to do so isn't worthy of the threat presented.
BartSimpson @ Tue Sep 12, 2006 4:59 pm
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
To answer Tom Nichols--no Canadians aren't stupid. Overall, in intelligence tests they rate the same as Americans. On education, they rate around the same as Amercians. So much for that thesis. Can't the National Review do better -- that's just weak.
As a Canadian, I have perfromed by own risk assessment and determined that the cahnce of me, my family or even anyone I care about dying in a terrorist attack is infintessimally small. The effort put into preventing terrorist atatcks should be proportional to the threat. To me, better screening at airports, better communications between intelligence agencies and better on ground intelligence (especially in domestic mosques) is good enough. Apart from knocking off the Taliban, and making sure they stay knocked off, I don't see the point of remaking the Middle East. We should also continue to support Israel. The cost to do so isn't worthy of the threat presented.
As a Canadian, I have perfromed by own risk assessment and determined that the cahnce of me, my family or even anyone I care about dying in a terrorist attack is infintessimally small. The effort put into preventing terrorist atatcks should be proportional to the threat. To me, better screening at airports, better communications between intelligence agencies and better on ground intelligence (especially in domestic mosques) is good enough. Apart from knocking off the Taliban, and making sure they stay knocked off, I don't see the point of remaking the Middle East. We should also continue to support Israel. The cost to do so isn't worthy of the threat presented.
Precisely what odds of your demise due to terrorist action would stir you to action?
The cost to prevent a major war is always much, much lower than the cost to fight one.
I prefer to act while the odds are in my favor.
Jaime_Souviens @ Tue Sep 12, 2006 5:08 pm
GunPlumber GunPlumber:
Jaime_Souviens Jaime_Souviens:
GunPlumber GunPlumber:
Jaime_Souviens Jaime_Souviens:
No, but you can dismiss them when they're irrational.
There was a poll last week if Americans thought the war in Iraq is going well.
Now think about it, what the hell does any American know about whether a war is going well or not? You need access to reports, data, mission reports, et c.
All that poll really was about was what Americans thought, not about what was actually happening.
Of course, that was not how it was reported.
You just said that the poll was conducted to reflect what Americans thought. If the poll reported what the respondents thought, how does that make the poll irrational?
Of course, the average American cannot KNOW what the real situation in Iraq is (or might be), but that is not what the poll was used to determine or reflect. You've said it yourself.
Seems like your conclusion (as a reflection of your objections) is more irrational than the reason for the poll.
Um... trouble with the obvious today, eh?
None at all, actually.
What IS plainly obvious is that you cannot address any argument head-on. Your trick bag consists of confronting any - and all - arguments with deviation(s) from the main points, after which you engage in circular argumentation with the intention of returning to the original point of divergence, hoping to shift the focus to it. Only you never arrive back at the exact point of divergence because your path is not a circle on a common plane but an ever-downward spiral. All the while, you argue only for the sake of argument, while patting yourself on the back, convinced that your irrelevant arguments are adding something significant to the debate.
Is THAT obvious enough for you?
EHHHH?
Be sure to try again when you have a point.
Jaime_Souviens @ Tue Sep 12, 2006 5:10 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
$1:
Are Canadians Stupid ?
National Review ^ | 09/12/2006 | Tom Nichols
Are Canadians Stupid?
They're Not getting it…
By Tom Nichols
National Review ^ | 09/12/2006 | Tom Nichols
Are Canadians Stupid?
They're Not getting it…
By Tom Nichols
Damn you, Bart Simpson, I was just going to post the same article.
Oh, well, as long as it's up.
Scrappy @ Tue Sep 12, 2006 5:11 pm
Well no doubt the poll was conducted in Quebec and Torona so of course that is Canada. We the little people or the un-washed masses that do not reside in Quebec or Torona must be Mericans or Aliens (not that I mind being Merican-but I'd look stupid in Tinfoil red heads usually do) or our voices are not important.
I believe Bart wrote the exact words that I would type. Thanks Bart, you saved me some key strokes.
Jaime_Souviens @ Tue Sep 12, 2006 5:14 pm
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
To answer Tom Nichols--no Canadians aren't stupid. Overall, in intelligence tests they rate the same as Americans.
Exactly, Canadians think Americans are stupid because Canadians think Americans think Iraq caused 9/11.
And Americans think Canadians are stupid because Americans think Canadians think the United States deserved 9/11.
It all equals out.
Zipperfish @ Tue Sep 12, 2006 5:25 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Precisely what odds of your demise due to terrorist action would stir you to action?
The cost to prevent a major war is always much, much lower than the cost to fight one.
I prefer to act while the odds are in my favor.
The cost to prevent a major war is always much, much lower than the cost to fight one.
I prefer to act while the odds are in my favor.
Well, I think in my post I said that even wiht the infintessimal threat, there is still a call to action--increasing screenings at customs points, more money and communication to the types of organziations that deal with these threats, and spying on Muslims.
But I'm not going to live the rest of my life in a state of fear because of a threat like that, and I'm not going to kill thousands of innocent people and spend billions of dollars on wars just to reduce the threat. And--ironically--the wars have actually increased the threat. Wars and unintended consequences: eternal dancing partners.
Zipperfish @ Tue Sep 12, 2006 5:29 pm
Jaime_Souviens Jaime_Souviens:
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
To answer Tom Nichols--no Canadians aren't stupid. Overall, in intelligence tests they rate the same as Americans.
Exactly, Canadians think Americans are stupid because Canadians think Americans think Iraq caused 9/11.
And Americans think Canadians are stupid because Americans think Canadians think the United States deserved 9/11.
It all equals out.
I used to think George Bush was stupid. Then it occurred to me that I don't even know the man. So I stopped calling him stupid. I think that he is honestly and diliogently doing the best he can for America. It's just that I don't agree with his deinfition of what is best for America. And as we all know, no one knows what is best for America more than a Canadian!
SireJoe @ Tue Sep 12, 2006 5:31 pm
Hmm, I wonder if anyone can ACTUALLY say that he is doing the best for America.....I suppose there is. But really....it must be hard to say with a straight face.
Calgary123 @ Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:09 pm
A Radio poll from Toronto - You need to scroll down to the second question. The question: Do you believe that 911 was an inside job?
Look and see for yourself... The results are somewhat surprising, even for me.
http://640toronto.com/station/corus_qod ... llID=15087
hwacker @ Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:22 pm
Toronto HA , thats not Canada.
SireJoe @ Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:17 pm
What are you talking about?
Tricks @ Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:28 am
Calgary123 Calgary123:
A Radio poll from Toronto - You need to scroll down to the second question. The question: Do you believe that 911 was an inside job?
Look and see for yourself... The results are somewhat surprising, even for me.
http://640toronto.com/station/corus_qod ... llID=15087
Having lots of people follow your twisted style of thinking does not make it true.
Look and see for yourself... The results are somewhat surprising, even for me.
http://640toronto.com/station/corus_qod ... llID=15087
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