New poll says most Canadians blame U.S. for 9/11 attacks
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BartSimpson @ Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:38 am
Jaime_Souviens Jaime_Souviens:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
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Are Canadians Stupid ?
National Review ^ | 09/12/2006 | Tom Nichols
Are Canadians Stupid?
They're Not getting it…
By Tom Nichols
National Review ^ | 09/12/2006 | Tom Nichols
Are Canadians Stupid?
They're Not getting it…
By Tom Nichols
Damn you, Bart Simpson, I was just going to post the same article.
Oh, well, as long as it's up.
Sorry 'bout that, Jaime! I am known to pay attention to the world beyond this site on occasion!
BartSimpson @ Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:58 am
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Precisely what odds of your demise due to terrorist action would stir you to action?
The cost to prevent a major war is always much, much lower than the cost to fight one.
I prefer to act while the odds are in my favor.
The cost to prevent a major war is always much, much lower than the cost to fight one.
I prefer to act while the odds are in my favor.
Well, I think in my post I said that even wiht the infintessimal threat, there is still a call to action--increasing screenings at customs points, more money and communication to the types of organziations that deal with these threats, and spying on Muslims.
But I'm not going to live the rest of my life in a state of fear because of a threat like that, and I'm not going to kill thousands of innocent people and spend billions of dollars on wars just to reduce the threat. And--ironically--the wars have actually increased the threat. Wars and unintended consequences: eternal dancing partners.
Um, I don't know about the wars increasing the threat. You're a tad off there, my friend. Prior to the wars there were a number of large-scale operations by al Qaeda and since the wars there have been no operations in the USA.
>>> I <<< am safer because of the wars and because my government does not view the civil rights of terrorists as an impediment to pursuing them.
*When* the muslim terrorists detonate a nuclear device in a Western city we may then get around to expelling all of them from our lands as a matter of sheer self-defense.
Ultimately, the way to handle this is to go find some key muslim leaders and tell them to go deal with these people themselves or else we'll pack their bags for them and drop them out the back door of a C-17 over an appropriate country.
As of yet, we Westerners do not have the nerve to take such measures and we will not until it's too late and then the same people who criticize the USA for acting against the terrorists will then criticize us for not doing more, doing it sooner, and doing it mercilessly.
SireJoe @ Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:33 am
You think that the war has made you safer??? I find that INCREDIBLY hard to believe.
About the only thing that has made the US "safer" is the stripping of civil rights. The HUGE amounts of security in airports/train stations ect...
But the actual WAR getting you to be safer? I cant reallly grasp that one. I guess perhaps another attack that no one has thought up might change that POV. Hopefully that wont happen.
Firecat @ Thu Sep 14, 2006 3:35 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Yep, and it was current US policy that led to the Munich murders in 1972, the siege of Constantinople, the siege(s) of Vienna, the occupation of the Iberian peninsula, the deaths in the Moscow Opera House, the 1993 WTC bombing, and the death of Anwar Sadat.
If a majority of Canadians polled cannot see common threads in history it isn't our fault.
If a majority of Canadians polled cannot see common threads in history it isn't our fault.
When looking for the roots of this wave of terrorism we should more appropriately focus on the policies and interventions within the last two generations (40 - 50 years). It is undeniable that the United States has done much (or is SEEN to have much ) which the muslim world seems to find egregious.
Most offensive, of course, is how far ahead the Infidel nations are in comparison to the "righteous" Islamic ones.
From a Canadian perspective, the USA has been interventionist - a bit of the "bully in the sandbox"
BartSimpson @ Thu Sep 14, 2006 3:50 pm
Firecat Firecat:
When looking for the roots of this wave of terrorism we should more appropriately focus on the policies and interventions within the last two generations (40 - 50 years). It is undeniable that the United States has done much (or is SEEN to have much ) which the muslim world seems to find egregious.
Most offensive, of course, is how far ahead the Infidel nations are in comparison to the "righteous" Islamic ones.
From a Canadian perspective, the USA has been interventionist - a bit of the "bully in the sandbox"
The USA did a lot of intervention in the post-war period.
We nudged the United Kingdom into cutting loose Israel & Lebanon.
When France tried to re-occupy Syria in December 1945 we sent our Navy to intercept their invasion fleet and made it clear that we'd go to war to end their colonial ambitions.
We laid on pressure to Britain to allow the partition of India into two nations - allowing the creation of muslim Pakistan...something the Pakis still have a soft spot for us over.
Much of our action in the postwar period led to the independence of numerous muslim countries.
I take it you'd like us to renounce those actions and let Europe re-colonize those countries?
Oh, and while we're at it, the muslims have an axe to grind because the Europeans won't let them take ownership of all of the lands they used to own such as Spain, Portugal, southern France, Greece, Romania, India, & etc.
Perhaps we should not stand in their way as they seek to re-occupy those countries.
I'm sure the Austrians would stand on principle and oppose US intervention to protect them from the 'rightful' owners of Austria.
The biggest problem the muslims have right now is the existence of Israel.
The muslims want those people driven into the Mediterranean...should we let that happen?
Firecat @ Thu Sep 14, 2006 3:55 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Firecat Firecat:
When looking for the roots of this wave of terrorism we should more appropriately focus on the policies and interventions within the last two generations (40 - 50 years). It is undeniable that the United States has done much (or is SEEN to have much ) which the muslim world seems to find egregious.
Most offensive, of course, is how far ahead the Infidel nations are in comparison to the "righteous" Islamic ones.
From a Canadian perspective, the USA has been interventionist - a bit of the "bully in the sandbox"
The USA did a lot of intervention in the post-war period.
We nudged the United Kingdom into cutting loose Israel & Lebanon.
When France tried to re-occupy Syria in December 1945 we sent our Navy to intercept their invasion fleet and made it clear that we'd go to war to end their colonial ambitions.
We laid on pressure to Britain to allow the partition of India into two nations - allowing the creation of muslim Pakistan...something the Pakis still have a soft spot for us over.
Much of our action in the postwar period led to the independence of numerous muslim countries.
I take it you'd like us to renounce those actions and let Europe re-colonize those countries?
Oh, and while we're at it, the muslims have an axe to grind because the Europeans won't let them take ownership of all of the lands they used to own such as Spain, Portugal, southern France, Greece, Romania, India, & etc.
Perhaps we should not stand in their way as they seek to re-occupy those countries.
I'm sure the Austrians would stand on principle and oppose US intervention to protect them from the 'rightful' owners of Austria.
The biggest problem the muslims have right now is the existence of Israel.
The muslims want those people driven into the Mediterranean...should we let that happen?
No argument on israel but I suspect the ravages of the war itself and the global dissolution of empires was occurring as an effect of the war and shouldn't be considered something the united States DID, in its benevolence.
BartSimpson @ Thu Sep 14, 2006 3:59 pm
Tricks Tricks:
Having lots of people follow your twisted style of thinking does not make it true.
I agree.
The majority of muslims want Canadians to convert to islam.
Should they?
BartSimpson @ Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:14 pm
Firecat Firecat:
No argument on israel but I suspect the ravages of the war itself and the global dissolution of empires was occurring as an effect of the war and shouldn't be considered something the united States DID, in its benevolence.
DeGaulle never forgave us for preventing the re-occupation of Syria and our intervention against him had him approaching the USSR for an alliance in 1947 - both the USA & the UK delivered 'diplomatic notes' to their respective French embassies over that and the French embassy in Washington went so far as to burn their sensitive documents in May 1947 - an act that in and of itself nearly triggered a war because such things only happen when a country is certain it will go to war.
DeGaulle took his grudge to the grave and he even took it out on Canada when the SOB visited - his "Quebec Libre!" speech caused problems you good people are still dealing with.
hwacker @ Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:16 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Tricks Tricks:
Having lots of people follow your twisted style of thinking does not make it true.
I agree.
The majority of muslims want Canadians to convert to islam.
Should they?
Weird,,,,,,,,,,, The majority of Canadians don't want muslims in Canada.
BartSimpson @ Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:17 pm
hwacker hwacker:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Tricks Tricks:
Having lots of people follow your twisted style of thinking does not make it true.
I agree.
The majority of muslims want Canadians to convert to islam.
Should they?
Weird,,,,,,,,,,, The majority of Canadians don't want muslims in Canada.
Then why are they there?
hwacker @ Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:21 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
hwacker hwacker:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Tricks Tricks:
Having lots of people follow your twisted style of thinking does not make it true.
I agree.
The majority of muslims want Canadians to convert to islam.
Should they?
Weird,,,,,,,,,,, The majority of Canadians don't want muslims in Canada.
Then why are they there?
Oh we are here, you did notice I said Canadians not people that live in Canada. There is a huge difference.
IcedCap @ Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:31 pm
hwacker hwacker:
Oh we are here, you did notice I said Canadians not people that live in Canada. There is a huge difference.
how the f**k does someone who wants Canada absorbed by another country know what a Canadian even is
If you hate Muslims so much why don't you do something about it? something beyond annoying bitching on a message board, there's plenty of mosques in Mississauga. Go and bomb one, you're an engineer you should know basic explosives, at least Bart's killed some Muslims wtf have you done.
hwacker @ Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:36 pm
IcedCap IcedCap:
hwacker hwacker:
Oh we are here, you did notice I said Canadians not people that live in Canada. There is a huge difference.
how the f**k does someone who wants Canada absorbed by another country know what a Canadian even is
If you hate Muslims so much why don't you do something about it? something beyond annoying bitching on a message board, there's plenty of mosques in Mississauga. Go and bomb one, you're an engineer you should know basic explosives, at least Bart's killed some Muslims wtf have you done.
Hrmm I got a group to move from Mississauga, They tried to use the basement for an extended family. I let them spend a boatload of $$ fixing up the basement allowed them to move in, and then called the city to inspect the dwelling. HA they moved in 3 weeks.
As for blowing them up, I leave that to the muslims in Canada to do that. Well they tried and failed.
IcedCap @ Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:43 pm
hwacker hwacker:
Hrmm I got a group to move from Mississauga, They tried to use the basement for an extended family. I let them spend a boatload of $$ fixing up the basement allowed them to move in, and then called the city to inspect the dwelling. HA they moved in 3 weeks.
Wow that's brave
I thought you weren't a snitch? that was your excuse for not telling the cops about your gun running Jamaican aquaintance. I guess you do snitch but only when its a harmless family rather than a criminal responsible for making society more dangerous.
Johnny_Utah @ Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:56 pm
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New poll says most Canadians blame U.S. for 9/11 attacks
Charles Adler called Canadians who blame the US for 9/11 or buy into the 9/11 Conspiracies a bunch of Fing Idiots..
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