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American @ Thu Nov 10, 2005 9:22 am
Robair Robair:
American American:
I like Mohammed Ali.
I know you do. I read your thread on him.He's Muslim. Here you are justifying bashing [b]all Muslims[/B]... ...That would include Ali. Get it?
Like RUEZ said: you mean terrorists, right? Not Muslims.
I think that is a bit of an overstatement. I'm not saying bashing all Muslims. I'm saying that Muslim leaders are not doing enough to denounce the terrorists and distance themselves from them. In this way they give non-Muslims the impression that they don't stand up for what's right. Terrorists getting their just rewards goes without saying.
American @ Thu Nov 10, 2005 9:24 am
BTW, I think the Flamer medal needs a redesign. That icon looks like a pumpkin. 
Guest @ Thu Nov 10, 2005 10:36 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Muslims are offended by lots of things. They are offended by my going to church, listening to any kind of music, drinking a nice Okanagan wine, enjoying some fine Canadian bacon, looking at a fine Canadian woman in a short skirt, owning a pet dog, and the list goes on and on.
It's not that hard to offend a Muslim especially if you're not a Muslim.
My point is that Muslims who immigrate into Western countries need to assimilate and be tolerant of those people who are already here. When they come into the workplace, as in Britain, and insist that eveyone has to take down any images of pigs or dogs because it offends them then I take umbrage at that.
I can go on, but suffice it to say, I don't appreciate being told that I can't do something because it offends the religious beliefs of people who are in a religion I don't believe in.
I eat meat on Fridays. Should I stop doing that because it is offensive to some Catholics?
I like to put cream in my coffee when I eat a steak dinner. Should I stop doing that because it is offensive to Jews?
I like to eat steak. Should I stop doing that because it is offensive to some Hindus?
I like to hold my wife's hand in public. Should I stop doing that because it is offensive to a whole, long list of religions that I also don't believe in?
Where does it stop?
I don't think it should get started in the first place.
It's not that hard to offend a Muslim especially if you're not a Muslim.
My point is that Muslims who immigrate into Western countries need to assimilate and be tolerant of those people who are already here. When they come into the workplace, as in Britain, and insist that eveyone has to take down any images of pigs or dogs because it offends them then I take umbrage at that.
I can go on, but suffice it to say, I don't appreciate being told that I can't do something because it offends the religious beliefs of people who are in a religion I don't believe in.
I eat meat on Fridays. Should I stop doing that because it is offensive to some Catholics?
I like to put cream in my coffee when I eat a steak dinner. Should I stop doing that because it is offensive to Jews?
I like to eat steak. Should I stop doing that because it is offensive to some Hindus?
I like to hold my wife's hand in public. Should I stop doing that because it is offensive to a whole, long list of religions that I also don't believe in?
Where does it stop?
I don't think it should get started in the first place.
Know a lot of Muslims then do you? you must know them all if you speak for all Muslims. Try asking them if they're offended by you eating pork, drinking alcohol or having a pet dog and I'm pretty sure they'll tell you what you do is your own business at least all the ones I know would.
No what would offend them is self-confessed Islamophobes deliberately posting grossly insulting pictures of their religious figures but lets forget about that and start bashing Muslims instead.
Jaime_Souviens @ Thu Nov 10, 2005 10:39 am
Anonymous Anonymous:
Know a lot of Muslims then do you? you must know them all if you speak for all Muslims. Try asking them if they're offended by you eating pork, drinking alcohol or having a pet dog and I'm pretty sure they'll tell you what you do is your own business at least all the ones I know would.
No what would offend them is self-confessed Islamophobes deliberately posting grossly insulting pictures of their religious figures but lets forget about that and start bashing Muslims instead.
No what would offend them is self-confessed Islamophobes deliberately posting grossly insulting pictures of their religious figures but lets forget about that and start bashing Muslims instead.
If he's suspended, how come he's still here?
[marq=left]Kill the thread! Kill the thread! Kill the thread![/marq]
IcedCap @ Thu Nov 10, 2005 10:42 am
Jaime_Souviens Jaime_Souviens:
If he's suspended, how come he's still here?
[marq=left]Kill the thread! Kill the thread! Kill the thread![/marq]
[marq=left]Kill the thread! Kill the thread! Kill the thread![/marq]
that wasn't Avro it was me, the login f****d up
American @ Thu Nov 10, 2005 10:44 am
You logged in as Avro?
IcedCap @ Thu Nov 10, 2005 10:49 am
American American:
You logged in as Avro?
no the post that's under the name Anonymous was me, not the gay porn, scat or whatever else he posted yesterday
ziggy @ Thu Nov 10, 2005 10:50 am
Anon is a gold member.
Avro on the bench @ Thu Nov 10, 2005 10:51 am
Even when I am gone I have power.
MMMMWWWWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Cheerio. 
hwacker @ Thu Nov 10, 2005 10:55 am
tack on 30 days for every post.
Avro on the bench @ Thu Nov 10, 2005 10:58 am
hwacker hwacker:
tack on 30 days for every post.
Awe, where is the love my Cristian friend.
Avro on the bench @ Thu Nov 10, 2005 10:59 am
Jaime_Souviens Jaime_Souviens:
Anonymous Anonymous:
Know a lot of Muslims then do you? you must know them all if you speak for all Muslims. Try asking them if they're offended by you eating pork, drinking alcohol or having a pet dog and I'm pretty sure they'll tell you what you do is your own business at least all the ones I know would.
No what would offend them is self-confessed Islamophobes deliberately posting grossly insulting pictures of their religious figures but lets forget about that and start bashing Muslims instead.
No what would offend them is self-confessed Islamophobes deliberately posting grossly insulting pictures of their religious figures but lets forget about that and start bashing Muslims instead.
If he's suspended, how come he's still here?
[marq=left]Kill the thread! Kill the thread! Kill the thread![/marq]
Just so you know this was not me.
Avro on the bench @ Thu Nov 10, 2005 11:06 am
I'll go away now until I am (or if I am) permitted back before hwacker begins to cry.
TTFN and have a good weekend.
P.S.
$1:
Jordanians turn anger on al-Zarqawi
At least 56 killed in trio of suicide attacks in Amman
Nov. 10, 2005. 11:19 AM
JAMAL HALABY
ASSOCIATED PRESS
AMMAN, Jordan - Hundreds of angry Jordanians rallied Thursday outside one of three U.S.-based hotels attacked by suicide bombers, shouting, "Burn in hell, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi!" after the Jordanian-born terrorist's group claimed responsibility for the blasts that killed at least 56 people.
In an Internet statement, the terror group "Al Qaeda in Iraq" linked the blasts at the Grand Hyatt, the Radisson SAS and the Days Inn hotels to the war in Iraq and called Amman the "backyard garden" for U.S. operations.
Police continued a broad security lockdown and authorities sent DNA samples for testing to identify the attackers. Land borders were reopened after being closed for nearly 12 hours.
The Amman protest was organized by Jordan's 14 professional and trade unions — made up of both hardline Islamic groups and leftist political organizations — traditionally a vocal critic of King Abdullah II's moderate and pro-western policies.
Protesters — including women and children — gathered outside a bombed hotel, shouting, "Death to al-Zarqawi, the villain and the traitor!" Drivers honked the horns of vehicles decorated with Jordanian flags and posters of the king. A helicopter hovered overhead.
"We sacrifice our lives for you, Amman!" the protesters chanted.
State television said a second rally was planned in the Red Sea port of Aqaba, where attackers using Katyusha rockets narrowly missed a U.S. ship and killed a Jordanian soldier in August.
The streets of the capital appeared deserted early Thursday, which was declared a day of mourning. Public and private offices were closed under government instructions, apparently to allow tightened security measures to take hold.
Government spokesman Bassel Tarawneh said 56 people were killed in the suicide attacks, adding the toll likely would rise. The victims included 15 Jordanians, five Iraqis, one Saudi, one Palestinian, one American, three Chinese and one Indonesian; 29 others had not been identified.
Dan McTeague, parliamentary secretary for Canadians abroad, said Wednesday there were no reports of Canadians injured in the bombings.
He said 1,820 Canadians are registered with the Department of Foreign Affairs as being in Amman.
"No doubt there are Canadians in the vicinity," he said, adding attempts were being made to contact all Canadians in the region.
The nearly simultaneous attacks wounded more than 115 people. Police detained several people overnight, although it was unclear if they were suspects or witnesses.
The Al Qaeda claim said Jordan became a target because it was "a backyard garden for the enemies of the religion, Jews and crusaders ... a filthy place for the traitors ... and a centre for prostitution." The authenticity of the posting could not be independently verified, but it appeared on an Islamic website that is a clearing house for statements by militant groups.
The claim was signed in al-Zarqawi's name.
The hotels, frequented by Israelis and Americans among other foreign guests, have long been on Al Qaeda's hit list.
Iraqi government spokesman Laith Kubba said the attack should alert Jordan that it needed to stop hosting former members of Saddam Hussein's regime.
"I hope that these attacks will wake up the `Jordanian street' to end their sympathy with Saddam's remnants ... who exploit the freedom in this country to have a safe shelter to plot their criminal acts against Iraqis."
He also said Iraqis may have had a hand in the attacks.
"The al-Qaida organization has become as a plague that affected Iraq and is now transmitted by the same rats to other countries. A lot of Iraqis, especially former intelligence and army officers, joined this criminal cell," Kubba said.
Deputy Prime Minister Marwan Muasher said shortly after the blasts that al-Zarqawi was a "prime suspect." Al-Zarqawi is known for his animosity to the country's Hashemite monarchy. The claim of responsibility did not name King Abdullah II but twice referred to the "tyrant of Jordan."
The suicide bombers detonated explosives at the three hotels just before 9 p.m. One explosion occurred inside a hall where 300 guests were celebrating a wedding.
Al-Zarqawi is mostly known for the string of devastating suicide attacks launched in Iraq, often against U.S. targets but also against Shiite Iraqis. He has shown a flair for propaganda and drawn wide support among militants in the region.
But outside Iraq, and especially in Jordan, he has been equally active.
He was sentenced to death in absentia by a Jordanian military court for the October 2002 assassination of a U.S. diplomat, Laurence Foley, in Amman.
His group also is accused of previously trying to blow up the Radisson SAS in Amman as part of the so-called millennium plot in 1999 and of the August attack at the Jordanian port of Aqaba.
At least 56 killed in trio of suicide attacks in Amman
Nov. 10, 2005. 11:19 AM
JAMAL HALABY
ASSOCIATED PRESS
AMMAN, Jordan - Hundreds of angry Jordanians rallied Thursday outside one of three U.S.-based hotels attacked by suicide bombers, shouting, "Burn in hell, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi!" after the Jordanian-born terrorist's group claimed responsibility for the blasts that killed at least 56 people.
In an Internet statement, the terror group "Al Qaeda in Iraq" linked the blasts at the Grand Hyatt, the Radisson SAS and the Days Inn hotels to the war in Iraq and called Amman the "backyard garden" for U.S. operations.
Police continued a broad security lockdown and authorities sent DNA samples for testing to identify the attackers. Land borders were reopened after being closed for nearly 12 hours.
The Amman protest was organized by Jordan's 14 professional and trade unions — made up of both hardline Islamic groups and leftist political organizations — traditionally a vocal critic of King Abdullah II's moderate and pro-western policies.
Protesters — including women and children — gathered outside a bombed hotel, shouting, "Death to al-Zarqawi, the villain and the traitor!" Drivers honked the horns of vehicles decorated with Jordanian flags and posters of the king. A helicopter hovered overhead.
"We sacrifice our lives for you, Amman!" the protesters chanted.
State television said a second rally was planned in the Red Sea port of Aqaba, where attackers using Katyusha rockets narrowly missed a U.S. ship and killed a Jordanian soldier in August.
The streets of the capital appeared deserted early Thursday, which was declared a day of mourning. Public and private offices were closed under government instructions, apparently to allow tightened security measures to take hold.
Government spokesman Bassel Tarawneh said 56 people were killed in the suicide attacks, adding the toll likely would rise. The victims included 15 Jordanians, five Iraqis, one Saudi, one Palestinian, one American, three Chinese and one Indonesian; 29 others had not been identified.
Dan McTeague, parliamentary secretary for Canadians abroad, said Wednesday there were no reports of Canadians injured in the bombings.
He said 1,820 Canadians are registered with the Department of Foreign Affairs as being in Amman.
"No doubt there are Canadians in the vicinity," he said, adding attempts were being made to contact all Canadians in the region.
The nearly simultaneous attacks wounded more than 115 people. Police detained several people overnight, although it was unclear if they were suspects or witnesses.
The Al Qaeda claim said Jordan became a target because it was "a backyard garden for the enemies of the religion, Jews and crusaders ... a filthy place for the traitors ... and a centre for prostitution." The authenticity of the posting could not be independently verified, but it appeared on an Islamic website that is a clearing house for statements by militant groups.
The claim was signed in al-Zarqawi's name.
The hotels, frequented by Israelis and Americans among other foreign guests, have long been on Al Qaeda's hit list.
Iraqi government spokesman Laith Kubba said the attack should alert Jordan that it needed to stop hosting former members of Saddam Hussein's regime.
"I hope that these attacks will wake up the `Jordanian street' to end their sympathy with Saddam's remnants ... who exploit the freedom in this country to have a safe shelter to plot their criminal acts against Iraqis."
He also said Iraqis may have had a hand in the attacks.
"The al-Qaida organization has become as a plague that affected Iraq and is now transmitted by the same rats to other countries. A lot of Iraqis, especially former intelligence and army officers, joined this criminal cell," Kubba said.
Deputy Prime Minister Marwan Muasher said shortly after the blasts that al-Zarqawi was a "prime suspect." Al-Zarqawi is known for his animosity to the country's Hashemite monarchy. The claim of responsibility did not name King Abdullah II but twice referred to the "tyrant of Jordan."
The suicide bombers detonated explosives at the three hotels just before 9 p.m. One explosion occurred inside a hall where 300 guests were celebrating a wedding.
Al-Zarqawi is mostly known for the string of devastating suicide attacks launched in Iraq, often against U.S. targets but also against Shiite Iraqis. He has shown a flair for propaganda and drawn wide support among militants in the region.
But outside Iraq, and especially in Jordan, he has been equally active.
He was sentenced to death in absentia by a Jordanian military court for the October 2002 assassination of a U.S. diplomat, Laurence Foley, in Amman.
His group also is accused of previously trying to blow up the Radisson SAS in Amman as part of the so-called millennium plot in 1999 and of the August attack at the Jordanian port of Aqaba.
Toronto Star
All evil eh?
BartSimpson @ Thu Nov 10, 2005 11:12 am
Anonymous Anonymous:
Know a lot of Muslims then do you? you must know them all if you speak for all Muslims. Try asking them if they're offended by you eating pork, drinking alcohol or having a pet dog and I'm pretty sure they'll tell you what you do is your own business at least all the ones I know would.
That's great if you know people like that. I'm talking about the ones in Britain and etc. who want everyone else to remove pictures of pigs from their desks, their Piglet figurines, and they want pubs that are hundreds of years old to change their names or signage because there are pigs in the names or signage.
And then there's the ones like in Holland who kill people who criticise Islam.
That's who I'm talking about. They need to assimilate and let other people do what they want and not dictate their religious beliefs onto the rest of us - like they are doing.
Anonymous Anonymous:
No what would offend them is self-confessed Islamophobes deliberately posting grossly insulting pictures of their religious figures but lets forget about that and start bashing Muslims instead.
Then I take it that if nothing offensive is supposed to be said or posted about Islam then you'll respect the same rules for Christianity?