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Frankly, MARs officer is in a death spiral. I'd be amazed if they turned you down.

   

Ginger, FWIW, I've seen a great many people with a world of cadet experience fail miserably too, don't worry about it. Nobody fails basic for kit and quarters.

There's nothing wrong with going the NCM route if that's your decision. Lots of officers throught all the branches have gone that route and gone on to great things.

Keep your eye on the ball.

   

Some of the best officers had some time in the ranks.

   

Thanks! I am coming to really like the fact that I have applied as a NCM. I think that you would gain so much more experience and perspective, and appreciate each and every promotion you attain. I would love to go from Private to General!

   

Thanks for the comment but you really don't know anything about the situation. He made is to final selection, which is after background and everything. In fact it is the last stage of hiring.

A Crim Psych degree, Police Sciences degree, (worse yet blow you money on Police Foundations)or any degree won't guarantee you a spot even if you are clean in your past and a nice guy. The process is not that simplistic, I've been though it. Sure it will add you points but only in one aspect. To get down the the last of 75 for 50 spots out of 800 applicants no one left there has any glaring bad spots. Obviously though there were enough little things to keep him short, what those were who knows, the Service does not give feedback to its applicants at that stage. Point being such a degree is no big deal to most Muni services nor the RCMP.

   

Don't have regrets about that. Cadets is fun and a good experience but there is much you can do in life to overshadow no cadet training. Besides Cadets offers no public service experience. I spent 7 years in cadets and knew cadets from all branches and across the country as well as officers, still know many officers, and never met one who did any public service work to any meaningful extent through his or her cadet corps. The good Capetian will say I'm wrong and that cadets are engaging in regular and significant public service work however, but he's obviously a bit biased. I'm going to be interested to find out more about him.

Sounds like you are doing things right. Everyone brings their own strengths and life experiences to the table, there is no magic formula.

   

lol, lucky me.

   

Benn, thanks for your comment. Also, I am so glad you responded about the police thing. I too have been in the police process. I thought it was ridiculous to imply that if you have a crim degree and no criminal background, you get a badge. Haha! Ya, about 10% of those who apply to become police officers get hired. For most who get rejected, there is no reason for it other than the fact that more people apply then there are available positions. That's it. Police Services everywhere at all levels have rejected some amazing candidates, and if you watch the news, they accepted some lousy candidates.

   

Don't believe all you see and read in the media, just like I didn't believe all the negative stuff that used to pass as standard in our media about the CF pre 911.

Keep an open mind and make your opinions on what you see and encounter, not scuttlebut from the press who's sole purpose is to stur the shit and sell advertising space.

   

You asked about MPAC information and I found this link on the net, its quite good and covers the training and what to expect at MPAC.

http://www.cfsuo.forces.gc.ca/adm/pdp-p ... vs-eng.pdf

I might have left you with the wrong impression when discussing officer versus NCM versus officer. Its not that one is superior to the other - officer versus NCM - but it is easier to get into MPO as a DEO rather than recruited from the ranks. Only a small percentage of the 128 MPO officers are from the ranks. And in my day, the highest you could go as an officer was Captain if recruited from the ranks, that may have changed - I don't know.

At my age in the forces (63), you don't care whether a person is higher, lower, or one of your peers in the forces, you only hope that all those who you work with are good, that has more impact than rank. I've had excellent and not so excellent bosses (officers), good and not so good peers (officers), and good and not so good NCM's. For me its about quality of the person, not rank; good people make the job fun, and not so good make the job too much work.

The other reason I encourage you to go back and get crim is that if you don't make it as MPO or MP, you can still be recruited in civilian police forces. For example, Vancouver Police prefer an "older" candidate. Their basic requirement is a degree, then a few years working and living away from home. A thirty or forty year old recruit isn't unusual here in Vancouver.

My family name now includes 8 generations of military experience. So I'm quite familiar with "military think." For you attaining military experience, the Primary Reserves is the best way to go, but it can be difficult to get into as an officer. Of course the cadeting world has it pluses and minuses, but you would still get experience. I think it is logical to say you will do better if you have some military experience under your belt even when going to Basics, or especially when you go to Basics. I've seen grown adults cry, I've seen a guy stand at attention in his sleep screaming out commands because the stress was getting to him. I've see a guy who only had to go two more hours of his last wretched basic exercise and then he would graduate in two weeks, but instead he was angry, tired, hungry, wet and couldn't take it any more; he quit. Some take issues that occur during Basics personally and they don't make it through, of course, most do make it.

You gathered right I am proud of my son, and now a blurb about my father, its in two parts his sports life and his life as a Brig Gen in the forces:

http://www.cornwallsportshalloffame.com ... STING=0534

Good luck, and I'm signing off on your thread, whatever your path I hope it goes well.

   

I don't think getting another Undergraduate degree is the answer. I would never get a Criminology degree. First, you don't have to have a criminology degree to be a Police Officer in any service in this country. Police Services look for experience. A high education is just one form of experience. I've been through the Police process with the degree that I have. I know people who have been recruited also with nothing more than a High school diploma.

For Direct Entry as an MPO, that was the very first time I have ever seen a Criminology degree as a requirement, and it was just one of a short list of areas of study that they allowed; Political Science, Psychology, and Sociology were also listed. I in no way felt that I should go back to school to get another degree. If I was to go back to school, it would be for graduate studies. It just seems ridiculous to me to go back to school for 4 years to get another undergraduate degree to major in Criminology so I can apply to the only profession that requires it. Since I don't have a degree in Criminology (which, by the way, teaches you absolutely nothing about Law in the Forces, so I would be doing no favours for myself) I went the NCM route. No problem. I was happy to do it. The NCM route also requires a diploma in Police foundations (but my degree was sufficient). There is no occupation that requires police foundations, so it pretty much says just about everything I need to know about how ridiculous the CF requirements truly are!

In short, I want to join the CF. Any profession is fine. I went with MP because I had the education for it, and it seemed interesting. Simple. I'm not going back to school so that I can apply Direct Entry for just one position in the CF.

   

Wow, you're an idiot. In 30 seconds I could find you have no clue what you are talking about. Maybe you should check the VPD website before you post crap you know as a fact. Don't even bother telling us you have some inside knowledge of VPD that is not on the website because I know of guys hired with no degree in the last couple years.

Thanks for coming out though!

   

Apparently in Vancouver, you must also have a Sociology degree to be a bartender. It is not on the website of any restaurant as a requirement, but one must just know this! lol!

   

Noticing more and more CF ads lately. Hopefully when the fiscal year starts next month, my application will finally go through. It's been 6 months and counting. Dying to join the CF!

   

Could be worse, you could be an Ontario RCMP applicant, I think they are running 3 years to get in. Manitoban applicant take 10 months lol. Patience patience, it's your best defense when dealing with government in any area.

   

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