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EyeBrock @ Sun Mar 08, 2009 2:29 pm

Tory bias? I’m not that impressed with Harper and his cronies.

Hey if anybody better than the Tories comes along, I'll vote for them.
Harper is the least shite of a shit bunch.
My vote is up for grabs, but with the silliness of the current crop of Libs, it's highly doubtful I'll vote Lib.

The Liberal MP on the steps of Parliament speaking up for the LTTE (as in a terrorist organisation) shows that nothing has changed since Denis Coderre marched with Hezbollah apologists. The Liberals are just like they have been for decades. It’s still full of very left-wing, single issue MP’s.
They are not too different than the NDP and I could never go down that route.

Once the Libs get rid of their loonies maybe I'll cast a vote their way.

   



EyeBrock @ Sun Mar 08, 2009 2:36 pm

CommanderSock CommanderSock:
$1:
You ever been to a citizenship ceremony?



I was 18 when I took the oath. It was in Charlottetown PEI. It was ok to be honest. Mostly east Europeans and Lebanese families at the ceremony. Pledged my allegiance to the Queen (which is ironic because I was British citizen passport holder at the time) and sang O'Canada. Just as I would expect for any citizenship ceremony.

Is there something fundamental I am missing?


Maybe PEI does a better job than Mississauga did. Not a good experience for me.

   



DrJones @ Sun Mar 08, 2009 5:03 pm

Here's another gem. What does Iggy have to say about standing up for Canadian history? Remember the reenactment of the battle of the Plains of Abraham?

"What I don't like, frankly, is that sovereigntists are trying to dominate a free debate. As someone who likes Canada and knows a thing or two about its history, I want to have my say," Ignatieff told reporters at a separate event in Quebec City.

He said he isn't for or against a re-enactment of the battle, but stressed any commemoration of this "defeat and tragedy" would need to be dignified, sober and carried out in a respectful manner.


Oh, what's that Iggy? It's a "defeat and tragedy" that British rule ushered in a new era of rights and equality for all citizens of British North America? Or is it just a "tragedy" that 250 years later all the facts are ignored and we have to cater to the new era of French victimization and sovereigntist politics?

Every time I even consider the Liberals, something like this, or what EyeBrock posted, reminds me why I will almost always vote Tory.

   



Bruce_the_vii @ Sun Mar 08, 2009 6:38 pm

Oh, this is all a sensative issue to the Francophones, don't get your knickers in a knot.

   



saturn_656 @ Sun Mar 08, 2009 7:17 pm

Bruce_the_vii Bruce_the_vii:
Oh, this is all a sensative issue to the Francophones, don't get your knickers in a knot.


They really need to get over it.

   



sandorski @ Mon Mar 09, 2009 12:13 am

DrJones DrJones:
Here's another gem. What does Iggy have to say about standing up for Canadian history? Remember the reenactment of the battle of the Plains of Abraham?

"What I don't like, frankly, is that sovereigntists are trying to dominate a free debate. As someone who likes Canada and knows a thing or two about its history, I want to have my say," Ignatieff told reporters at a separate event in Quebec City.

He said he isn't for or against a re-enactment of the battle, but stressed any commemoration of this "defeat and tragedy" would need to be dignified, sober and carried out in a respectful manner.


Oh, what's that Iggy? It's a "defeat and tragedy" that British rule ushered in a new era of rights and equality for all citizens of British North America? Or is it just a "tragedy" that 250 years later all the facts are ignored and we have to cater to the new era of French victimization and sovereigntist politics?

Every time I even consider the Liberals, something like this, or what EyeBrock posted, reminds me why I will almost always vote Tory.


ROTFL

That's ridiculous. It had nothing to do with "Rights". It had everything to do with British or French domination. The American Revolution was about "Rights" and they fought the British to attain them. Not too long after the French fought for the same as the Americans, except against their own Ruling Class. So in hindsight, true Freedom/Rights would likely have been attained much earlier by having the French Win.

Not that I hold anything against the British regarding our History, but your statement was as stated, Ridiculous.

   



romanP @ Mon Mar 09, 2009 7:39 am

Always vote for the underdog.

Neither the Conservatives nor the Liberals are the underdog.

   



Pimpbrewski @ Mon Mar 09, 2009 8:16 am

That's a great post EyeBrock.

Although it seems the Libs sure have turned Canadian Immigration into a complete joke. They were letting terrorists in and according to them, it's all ok. Also, Judy Sgro, while she was immigration minister turned her office into a scandal. And the fact that they appointed this idiot for the Libs, Khaled Mouammar, that makes it even more outrageous.

One thing is for sure, there needs to be an overhaul in the immigration system. Take it from civil nations or else. Look at some European countries for instance, which are now having unruly challenges with their own immigration. They have let in too many, regardless of where they came from, in such a short period of time. Now they are faced with a delicate situation. After all, it's all common sense, there is something to be learned from all of this, and it needs to be realized before it's too late.

   



DrJones @ Mon Mar 09, 2009 8:48 am

sandorski sandorski:

ROTFL

That's ridiculous. It had nothing to do with "Rights". It had everything to do with British or French domination. The American Revolution was about "Rights" and they fought the British to attain them. Not too long after the French fought for the same as the Americans, except against their own Ruling Class. So in hindsight, true Freedom/Rights would likely have been attained much earlier by having the French Win.

Not that I hold anything against the British regarding our History, but your statement was as stated, Ridiculous.


Ah, you are wrong. It is undisputed historical fact that the British legal system (habeas corpus) etc provided for more rights to its citizens than anything in the French authoritarian regime. So sure, the battle was over who controlled the land. But in reality, post British victory, the citizens of New France were in a better position arguably than they were before.

My point is that this fact is completely ignored by the sovereigntists. They simply claim they were "oppressed" ever since 1759. That is a total lie. I am merely providing one example to counter that.

   



MacDonaill @ Mon Mar 09, 2009 9:04 am

The commemoration should have been held despite the threats of violence. The fact that the government, THIS government, cowered in front of a band of silly sovereigntist radicals threatening violence is a disgrace. This is a nation of law and order, and while anyone certainly has the right to oppose or protest the commemoration, no one has the right to obstruct society with threats of violence.

The commemoration should have been held, and anyone engaging in any violent act whatsoever should have seen the full force of the law laid upon him, and then he would know that this is a society of law and order, not a bully's playground.

   



bootlegga @ Mon Mar 09, 2009 9:19 am

EyeBrock EyeBrock:
Forgot why you never voted Liberal? Remember again.


Cherry picking a couple of fuckbags like this doens't do anything but show your right-wing partisanship EB. There have been plenty of 'scandals' from Conservative MPs in, oh, say the last year (Gerry Ritz for one).

Unless you are willing to tar the Conservatives with the same brush you're using on the Liberals, then you're a hypocrite.

So far, your arguments are roughly, Conservatives not great, Liberals evil...

   



EyeBrock @ Mon Mar 09, 2009 10:31 am

bootlegga bootlegga:
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
Forgot why you never voted Liberal? Remember again.


Cherry picking a couple of fuckbags like this doens't do anything but show your right-wing partisanship EB. There have been plenty of 'scandals' from Conservative MPs in, oh, say the last year (Gerry Ritz for one).

Unless you are willing to tar the Conservatives with the same brush you're using on the Liberals, then you're a hypocrite.

So far, your arguments are roughly, Conservatives not great, Liberals evil...


Nope, I'm hoping for an alternative to voting Tory.

I posted those 3 or 4 things because I either read about them in the newspapers or saw a TV news story on them, all in the same week.

I know the Tories are a bunch of wankers, but the Liberals are even worse.

Like I said, the Tories are the least shite of a shit bunch.

   



EyeBrock @ Mon Mar 09, 2009 10:47 am

Pimpbrewski Pimpbrewski:
That's a great post EyeBrock.

Although it seems the Libs sure have turned Canadian Immigration into a complete joke. They were letting terrorists in and according to them, it's all ok. Also, Judy Sgro, while she was immigration minister turned her office into a scandal. And the fact that they appointed this idiot for the Libs, Khaled Mouammar, that makes it even more outrageous.

One thing is for sure, there needs to be an overhaul in the immigration system. Take it from civil nations or else. Look at some European countries for instance, which are now having unruly challenges with their own immigration. They have let in too many, regardless of where they came from, in such a short period of time. Now they are faced with a delicate situation. After all, it's all common sense, there is something to be learned from all of this, and it needs to be realized before it's too late.


Thanks pimp!

Another thing with this Khaled Mouammar numpty. He actively lobbied against Bob Rae during the Lib leadership race. Now that in itself isn't a bad thing but he went after Bob's jewish wife, and her links to Jewish groups in Canada.

So we have a guy who basically hates a religious minority group that has been persecuted to the point of genocide, but the Libs appoint him to be on the IRB as a judge? Come on! Now he’s the head of the “Canadian” Arab Federation? These don’t appear to be “Canadian” values that he’s spouting.

Our freedom of speech laws allow this racist to have his views, but should we taxpayers give $500,000 per year for the privilege?

I personally don't think so but I'm sure some died-in-the-wool Lib tub-thumper’s think this and having MP's support Tamil terror groups on Parliament steps is all ok.

After all, defending the indefensible seems to be a common mantra with some Libs on this forum, and this is why they will continue to lose support.
I don’t know how anybody can actually speak up on behalf of Mouammar, or that loser of an MP, Gurbax Mahli, or support bringing a convicted thug back from Sri-Lanka. Can you boots?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CSE_XDaYJs

These are the reasons I can’t vote for the Liberals.

   



revdave @ Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:00 am

Ironic that you've got your panties in a twist over this Chretien appointment from the early '90s when the Liberals have now crowned one of their most pro-Israeli, "not losing sleep"-over-dead-Palestinians, leaders in recent memory.

I'm not going to vote Lib in the next election either (already pretty certain on that issue), but isn't there something slightly more relevant? Relegate Mouammar to the silence and obscurity his remarks deserve.

   



romanP @ Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:16 am

EyeBrock EyeBrock:
Nope, I'm hoping for an alternative to voting Tory.

I posted those 3 or 4 things because I either read about them in the newspapers or saw a TV news story on them, all in the same week.

I know the Tories are a bunch of wankers, but the Liberals are even worse.

Like I said, the Tories are the least shite of a shit bunch.


Then vote Green Party. A lot of them are old PC Party anyway.

   



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