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Harper and Ambrose Muzzle Fiction Writer

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hwacker @ Sun Apr 16, 2006 9:01 pm

Indelible Indelible:
like fox?


Speaking of fox I hear we are getting our own, and on another thought CBC is going to be sold off to the Chinese.

Oh and anybody that gets praise from the Rev must be selling snake oil.

   



VitaminC @ Sun Apr 16, 2006 9:48 pm

BluesBud BluesBud:
The thread was so off track that going back was feeling like straying


LOL - You should make that your signature

   



TheGup @ Sun Apr 16, 2006 9:57 pm

Indelible Indelible:
in the US it's fearmongering because it is lies and government propaganda spilling from pro bush media companies.


Hmm. Assumedly, you haven't seen the poll by the American Society of Newspaper Editors, finding 61% of reporters claim to be Democrats, while only 15% lean Republican

Perhaps you did not see the memo discovered on the executive producer of Good Morning America on ABC. He wrote, "Are you watching this? Bush makes me sick. If he uses the 'mixed messages' line one more time, I'm going to puke."

Pro Bush? Yes, and the CBC loves Harper. :D

   



Arctic_Menace @ Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:29 pm

hwacker hwacker:
Indelible Indelible:
like fox?


Speaking of fox I hear we are getting our own, and on another thought CBC is going to be sold off to the Chinese.

Oh and anybody that gets praise from the Rev must be selling snake oil.


I hope for the Love of God and all that is good in this earth you are dead wrong.....

   



Streaker @ Mon Apr 17, 2006 7:29 am

Arctic_Menace Arctic_Menace:
hwacker hwacker:
Indelible Indelible:
like fox?


Speaking of fox I hear we are getting our own, and on another thought CBC is going to be sold off to the Chinese.

Oh and anybody that gets praise from the Rev must be selling snake oil.


I hope for the Love of God and all that is good in this earth you are dead wrong.....


Hwanker accusing anyone of selling snake oil is laughable. In any case I suspect that most of the conservatives on this site see him as the embarrassment he truly is. :roll:

   



VitaminC @ Mon Apr 17, 2006 8:29 am

Arctic_Menace Arctic_Menace:
hwacker hwacker:
Indelible Indelible:
like fox?


Speaking of fox I hear we are getting our own, and on another thought CBC is going to be sold off to the Chinese.

Oh and anybody that gets praise from the Rev must be selling snake oil.


I hope for the Love of God and all that is good in this earth you are dead wrong.....


There is a fox news in Canada already. You need digital cable or satelite and have to pay extra for it......Just no one in Canada watches it because we don't have a large ape population here.

   



Jaime_Souviens @ Tue Apr 18, 2006 5:57 pm

Streaker Streaker:
Arctic_Menace Arctic_Menace:
hwacker hwacker:
Indelible Indelible:
like fox?


Speaking of fox I hear we are getting our own, and on another thought CBC is going to be sold off to the Chinese.

Oh and anybody that gets praise from the Rev must be selling snake oil.


I hope for the Love of God and all that is good in this earth you are dead wrong.....


Hwanker accusing anyone of selling snake oil is laughable. In any case I suspect that most of the conservatives on this site see him as the embarrassment he truly is. :roll:



Hwacker or Rev_Blair?





No. I'm serious.

   



Jaime_Souviens @ Tue Apr 18, 2006 6:08 pm

BluesBud BluesBud:
Jaime_Souviens Jaime_Souviens:
Indelible Indelible:
this article is fact, that a government minister is trying to silence someone who wants to speak about a novel he wrote.


The PM always has the prerogative of keeping the government consistent in terms of policy....why would this be different?

And don't say because it's fictionalized. That's bs.

because... it has nothing to do with his job. It is a book he wrote on his own time. NOT A LEGAL PART OF HIS WORK



Well, you've missed the boat by focusing on the book.

Did you read the article?

(Here's a hint : it's about the appearance.)

$1:
A spokesperson for Ambrose said the speech was billed as coming from an Environment Canada scientist and even though his book is a work of fiction, he would appear to be speaking in an official capacity.


An employee of Canadian Tire can write an anti-tire book on his own time, and can even market it all he wants, but he can't promote it using the Canadian Tire name.


So,

this kind of ranting, hate-filled bigotry...
$1:
What's with these people? Is Harper a book-burning Nazi? Will they be sending poets to the Gulag next? Why are they so terrified of ideas?

...is entirely out of place.


(Here's a second hint : when you're in an argument, don't start by calling someone a Nazi. If you do, you have no where to go to up the ante.)

   



PluggyRug @ Tue Apr 18, 2006 6:29 pm

VitaminC VitaminC:
Arctic_Menace Arctic_Menace:
hwacker hwacker:
Indelible Indelible:
like fox?


Speaking of fox I hear we are getting our own, and on another thought CBC is going to be sold off to the Chinese.

Oh and anybody that gets praise from the Rev must be selling snake oil.


I hope for the Love of God and all that is good in this earth you are dead wrong.....


There is a fox news in Canada already. You need digital cable or satelite and have to pay extra for it......Just no one in Canada watches it because we don't have a large ape population here.


Then how is it you know about it?

   



hwacker @ Tue Apr 18, 2006 6:33 pm

Streaker Streaker:
Arctic_Menace Arctic_Menace:
hwacker hwacker:
Indelible Indelible:
like fox?


Speaking of fox I hear we are getting our own, and on another thought CBC is going to be sold off to the Chinese.

Oh and anybody that gets praise from the Rev must be selling snake oil.


I hope for the Love of God and all that is good in this earth you are dead wrong.....


Hwanker accusing anyone of selling snake oil is laughable. In any case I suspect that most of the conservatives on this site see him as the embarrassment he truly is. :roll:


Sure thing big boy.

   



hamiltonguyo @ Tue Apr 18, 2006 6:41 pm

Jaime_Souviens Jaime_Souviens:
BluesBud BluesBud:
Jaime_Souviens Jaime_Souviens:
Indelible Indelible:
this article is fact, that a government minister is trying to silence someone who wants to speak about a novel he wrote.


The PM always has the prerogative of keeping the government consistent in terms of policy....why would this be different?

And don't say because it's fictionalized. That's bs.

because... it has nothing to do with his job. It is a book he wrote on his own time. NOT A LEGAL PART OF HIS WORK



Well, you've missed the boat by focusing on the book.

Did you read the article?

(Here's a hint : it's about the appearance.)

$1:
A spokesperson for Ambrose said the speech was billed as coming from an Environment Canada scientist and even though his book is a work of fiction, he would appear to be speaking in an official capacity.


An employee of Canadian Tire can write an anti-tire book on his own time, and can even market it all he wants, but he can't promote it using the Canadian Tire name.


So,

this kind of ranting, hate-filled bigotry...
$1:
What's with these people? Is Harper a book-burning Nazi? Will they be sending poets to the Gulag next? Why are they so terrified of ideas?

...is entirely out of place.


(Here's a second hint : when you're in an argument, don't start by calling someone a Nazi. If you do, you have no where to go to up the ante.)


here Here

I was going to make a post but you said everything I wanted too in this post :D

   



Jaime_Souviens @ Wed Apr 19, 2006 4:02 pm

hamiltonguyo hamiltonguyo:

here Here

I was going to make a post but you said everything I wanted too in this post :D



Well, thanks, I do what I can in my own little way.

   



MissT @ Wed Apr 19, 2006 4:48 pm

Presumably when the book and talk were advertised, it was made abundantly obvious that this was a work of fiction. You don't tend to get many government reports called "Hotter than Hell". So anyone coming to this talk would have realised that the author was going to be fictionalising his knowledge, and not speaking for the government. Hell, the people who would have come to such a book launch would be the types to stay away from a dry book of scientific fact and government policy.

So the line that people would have thought he was speaking for the government is clearly crap.

Book talks and interviews are an important part of book promotion. By stopping the author from giving them, the government have, to all intents and purposes, attempted to consign the book to the literary wilderness.

Luckily it backfired and is now getting attention for being "The book Harper didn't want you to read" and the author is "The scientist they didn't want you to hear". Should push sales right up!

   



Jaime_Souviens @ Wed Apr 19, 2006 5:02 pm

MissT MissT:
Book talks and interviews are an important part of book promotion. By stopping the author from giving them, the government have, to all intents and purposes, attempted to consign the book to the literary wilderness.


He can promote it all he wants. promotong it as "A Scientist from Environment Canada", it is wrong because it implies an endorsement. As I said before, it's exactly the same rule that applies in the business world. "University of Toronto's own MissT's new book..." could also stopped by a court order as well.

MissT MissT:
Presumably when the book and talk were advertised, it was made abundantly obvious that this was a work of fiction. You don't tend to get many government reports called "Hotter than Hell". So anyone coming to this talk would have realised that the author was going to be fictionalising his knowledge, and not speaking for the government. Hell, the people who would have come to such a book launch would be the types to stay away from a dry book of scientific fact and government policy.

So the line that people would have thought he was speaking for the government is clearly crap.


Double crap. That's why I posted above that the fiction excuse is clearly out. Everybody knows that you can posit matters more freely if you're writing fiction. If he's selling it by suggesting that it's fictionalized because the powers that be cannot bear to have him publish it outright, then he's still using his public position to sell books. Bad enough if true, but outright fraud if this 'persecution' story is made up.

   



MissT @ Wed Apr 19, 2006 5:12 pm

Aw, triple crap. He never claimed that he's fictionalising it because he was muzzled or persecuted. He fictionalised it because he wants people to read it.

Promoting a book of fiction by "A scientist from Environment Canada" does NOT imply the same thing as a report by "A scientist from Environment Canada". Who genuinely believes that government policy is now put out to the public in fictionalised thriller novels? THe fact that a civil servant wrote a book (fiction, autobiography, kiss-and-tell, whatever) does not, and has never, been taken to mean that it has been endorsed by the government. But the fact that it was written by someone in the know does make it more interesting to the reader. The reader wants to know what he thinks is going to happen to the planet. The reader is NOT interested in what the government wants us to think is going to happen to the planet.

   



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