How Abortion is done..
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kal @ Tue Jun 05, 2007 6:52 pm
lily lily:
$1:
I've know two women who have had abortions, one used it as birth control the other will be haunted to her grave with her choice.
Yeah, that second woman is quite often the forgotten statistic.
All you pro-choicers out there who have so glibly told the pro-lifers to adopt all the babies.... what are you doing by way of offering counselling to women who have chosen for whatever reason to abort?
Anything at all?
We're not forcing women to abort. Pro-lifers would be forcing women to undergo pregnancy.
GerryHurt @ Tue Jun 05, 2007 6:54 pm
kal kal:
lily lily:
$1:
I've know two women who have had abortions, one used it as birth control the other will be haunted to her grave with her choice.
Yeah, that second woman is quite often the forgotten statistic.
All you pro-choicers out there who have so glibly told the pro-lifers to adopt all the babies.... what are you doing by way of offering counselling to women who have chosen for whatever reason to abort?
Anything at all?
We're not forcing women to abort. Pro-lifers would be forcing women to undergo pregnancy.
excuse me? No one forced her to GET pregnant( see my above post about incest/rape)You play...you pay..... that's what responsible people do...irresponsible people whine and cry and blame someone else.
kal @ Tue Jun 05, 2007 6:57 pm
GerryHurt GerryHurt:
kal kal:
lily lily:
$1:
I've know two women who have had abortions, one used it as birth control the other will be haunted to her grave with her choice.
Yeah, that second woman is quite often the forgotten statistic.
All you pro-choicers out there who have so glibly told the pro-lifers to adopt all the babies.... what are you doing by way of offering counselling to women who have chosen for whatever reason to abort?
Anything at all?
We're not forcing women to abort. Pro-lifers would be forcing women to undergo pregnancy.
excuse me? No one forced her to GET pregnant( see my above post about incest/rape)You play...you pay..... that's what responsible people do...irresponsible people whine and cry and blame someone else.
So is the birth of a child worth destroying 2 or 3 lives?
GerryHurt @ Tue Jun 05, 2007 6:59 pm
kal kal:
GerryHurt GerryHurt:
kal kal:
lily lily:
$1:
I've know two women who have had abortions, one used it as birth control the other will be haunted to her grave with her choice.
Yeah, that second woman is quite often the forgotten statistic.
All you pro-choicers out there who have so glibly told the pro-lifers to adopt all the babies.... what are you doing by way of offering counselling to women who have chosen for whatever reason to abort?
Anything at all?
We're not forcing women to abort. Pro-lifers would be forcing women to undergo pregnancy.
excuse me? No one forced her to GET pregnant( see my above post about incest/rape)You play...you pay..... that's what responsible people do...irresponsible people whine and cry and blame someone else.
So is the birth of a child worth destroying 2 or 3 lives?
and what lives would be destroyed and why?
kal @ Tue Jun 05, 2007 7:05 pm
lily lily:
$1:
We're not forcing women to abort. Pro-lifers would be forcing women to undergo pregnancy.
Oh right. And pregnancy is such an ordeal...
We've established that abortion is not an easy decision, and it can have serious repercussions on a woman for years. What are you doing for these women, other than saying it's their right to choose and you fully support their decision?
Do you even care what happens to them aftrwards?
Please tell me where I said I fully supported the decision.
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and what lives would be destroyed and why?
Possibly the child's, mother's, and father's. As for the why, it would depend on the circumstances. Think about it for a minute, it's not hard to concieve a scenario where that is likely.
GerryHurt @ Tue Jun 05, 2007 7:08 pm
kal kal:
lily lily:
$1:
We're not forcing women to abort. Pro-lifers would be forcing women to undergo pregnancy.
Oh right. And pregnancy is such an ordeal...
We've established that abortion is not an easy decision, and it can have serious repercussions on a woman for years. What are you doing for these women, other than saying it's their right to choose and you fully support their decision?
Do you even care what happens to them aftrwards?
Please tell me where I said I fully supported the decision.
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and what lives would be destroyed and why?
Possibly the child's, mother's, and father's. As for the why, it would depend on the circumstances. Think about it for a minute, it's not hard to concieve a scenario where that is likely.
These "people" would be aborting the baby...right? So if that was the case...why would they not be putting the baby up for adoption? Not aborting does not translate out to having to raise a child that is not wanted. There are litterally thousands of couples that would LOVE to raise that child.
kal @ Tue Jun 05, 2007 7:18 pm
lily lily:
$1:
Possibly the child's, mother's, and father's. As for the why, it would depend on the circumstances. Think about it for a minute, it's not hard to concieve a scenario where that is likely.
After an abortion, it's a given that the baby's life is destroyed. The mother's could well be too, depending on the circumstances.
The father's? Maybe he wanted the baby, maybe not - but since you're using "possibles", there's no reason I can't too.
All we're dealing with is possibilities. Women 'possibly' aborting, 'possibly' putting babies up for adoption, the 'possible' circumstances under which either might occur, are we not?
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These "people" would be aborting the baby...right? So if that was the case...why would they not be putting the baby up for adoption? Not aborting does not translate out to having to raise a child that is not wanted. There are litterally thousands of couples that would LOVE to raise that child.
Then why, when this is so easy to do all the time, is it not done? Why does abortion exist at all? You talk about adoption like it's incredebly simple for a woman to do. I believe after a woman gives birth she's far more likely to keep a child rather than give it up, even if it will destroy both their lives. I'm not providing this as justifacation, just something to think about.
GerryHurt @ Tue Jun 05, 2007 7:21 pm
because abortion is easy...and free......
Reason`s given to me for aborting rather than carrying for 9 months and giving my wife and I the baby.......
I`ll get stretch marks......I`ll get fat..........
GerryHurt @ Tue Jun 05, 2007 7:22 pm
lily lily:
$1:
Possibly the child's, mother's, and father's. As for the why, it would depend on the circumstances. Think about it for a minute, it's not hard to concieve a scenario where that is likely.
After an abortion, it's a given that the baby's life is destroyed. The mother's could well be too, depending on the circumstances.
The father's? Maybe he wanted the baby, maybe not - but since you're using "possibles", there's no reason I can't too.
The baby`s life isn`t worth shit to these peole Lily...so your argument is moot.
kal @ Tue Jun 05, 2007 7:22 pm
GerryHurt GerryHurt:
because abortion is easy...and free......
Reason`s given to me for aborting rather than carrying for 9 months and giving my wife and I the baby.......
I`ll get stretch marks......I`ll get fat..........
Reason`s given to me for aborting rather than carrying for 9 months and giving my wife and I the baby.......
I`ll get stretch marks......I`ll get fat..........
That's bullshit. Abortion isn't easy, I would never say it is. And people giving you reasons like that are those that use abortion as birth control. I already stated I don't agree with it used in that way.
kal @ Tue Jun 05, 2007 7:24 pm
GerryHurt GerryHurt:
lily lily:
$1:
Possibly the child's, mother's, and father's. As for the why, it would depend on the circumstances. Think about it for a minute, it's not hard to concieve a scenario where that is likely.
After an abortion, it's a given that the baby's life is destroyed. The mother's could well be too, depending on the circumstances.
The father's? Maybe he wanted the baby, maybe not - but since you're using "possibles", there's no reason I can't too.
The baby`s life isn`t worth shit to these peole Lily...so your argument is moot.
Her argument isn't moot. Unlike you, I actually respect and like to hear other people's opinions.
kal @ Tue Jun 05, 2007 7:25 pm
lily lily:
$1:
All we're dealing with is possibilities. Women 'possibly' aborting, 'possibly' putting babies up for adoption, the 'possible' circumstances under which either might occur, are we not?
It didn't look like it to me. Unless the "possibly" got lost in cyberspace when you submitted?
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So is the birth of a child worth destroying 2 or 3 lives?
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I believe after a woman gives birth she's far more likely to keep a child rather than give it up, even if it will destroy both their lives.
Again... I don't see a "possibly".
What makes you believe this?
A woman and her child starving to death because she didn't want to give it up for adoption and couldn't afford to feed them both.
kal @ Tue Jun 05, 2007 7:28 pm
lily lily:
Okay then... please explain why you place more importance on a baby whose life "might" be destroyed than you do on one whose definitely will be?
It's when the "might" turns into certianty. I don't see the point in ruining two lives.
kal @ Tue Jun 05, 2007 7:29 pm
lily lily:
$1:
A woman and her child starving to death because she didn't want to give it up for adoption and couldn't afford to feed them both.
Oh man.
Seriously.... how often does this happen in Canada?
Not sure. It's not something people generally keep stats on. What I was sighting above happened in Sudbury, Ontario.
kal @ Tue Jun 05, 2007 7:29 pm
lily lily:
$1:
A woman and her child starving to death because she didn't want to give it up for adoption and couldn't afford to feed them both.
Besides.... you didn't answer the question. What makes you believe that most women will keep the baby after giving birth, even if it will (possibly) destroy both their lives?
My bad, misread it. Because it's happened before. Sorry if you didn't pick that up.
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