"informed voters"
Benoit @ Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:37 pm
Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:
I don't think someone has a damned clue what "informed" actually means
I think you're wrong.
Benoit Benoit:
Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:
I don't think someone has a damned clue what "informed" actually means
I think you're wrong.
Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:
Personally, I wouldn't use the term "anti-intellectual'.
You're not. I am
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It makes this sound like a smart people versus stupid people debate, which I don't think it is.
No, it's educated and informed versus those that promote anti-intellectual relativism. I'm not sure why it's advantageous to be ignorant of the issue, but apparently you do
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Many 'uninformed voters' are educated people with lifetime experience and rational opinions.
Then they're not "uniformed" because likely if they are legitimately educated and their life experience is indeed applicable they'd seek knowledge and become civic literate. They'd be de facto informed citizens
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And when the 'informed' people debate issues like national childcare, I think the 'uninformed' voters are just as important as the politically smart.
This is pure conjecture - why are the "uniformed" politically smart? Simply stating that you think they are doesn't make it so. Unless they possess an understanding of policy, ideology, government, economics and social issues, then no, they aren't politically smart.
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In fact, I think that policies that are created with disregard of the populace are less likely to be good policy.
Got something tangible on that one? What specific policies are created with a wanton disregard of the populace?
Benoit @ Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:42 pm
Rednecks want to believe they can intimidate elites.
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"They" are talking about voter resonsibility. It is your responsibility to know about the issues before making decisions about them.
I agree that responsibility is important. Specifically, I believe that we have the responsibility to vote freely based on our hearts, knowledge, and goals.
Let me share a story with you...
In the early 70's, and informed and car smart automaker built a concept car that seated 8 people. It tested well with focus group made up largely by uninformed consumers. The automaker did not put the vehicle into production.
several years later another focus group rated the idea very high, yet the CEO of the automakers "knew better" and chose not to develop and build an 8 person car.
In the 80's, one their talented employees was fired and went to work at Chrysler Corp...he took the idea to chrysler and..... this is the story of the Dodge Caravan.
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Would you buy a car for a lot more money than it's worth without bothering to find out if anything is wrong with it?
LOL I think thats a good point. Maybe I will, maybe I won't, maybe its because I'm not properly informed about cars. But, one thing for certain, the car I buy will be my choice, not the salesman.
Benoit @ Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:49 pm
Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:
I agree that responsibility is important. Specifically, I believe that we have the responsibility to vote freely based on knowledge
Knowledge doesn't fall from heaven.
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Got something tangible on that one? What specific policies are created with a wanton disregard of the populace?
Damn it Mustang, thats a good question but if I even attempt to answer this, I'll get typer's cramp.
Benoit @ Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:55 pm
Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:
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Got something tangible on that one? What specific policies are created with a wanton disregard of the populace?
Damn it Mustang, thats a good question but if I even attempt to answer this, I'll get typer's cramp.
Begin by naming one.
Benoit Benoit:
Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:
I agree that responsibility is important. Specifically, I believe that we have the responsibility to vote freely based on knowledge
Knowledge doesn't fall from heaven.
Sometimes it does, but don't worry there is no risk of it striking you in the head.
romanP @ Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:01 pm
Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:
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"They" are talking about voter resonsibility. It is your responsibility to know about the issues before making decisions about them.
I agree that responsibility is important. Specifically, I believe that we have the responsibility to vote freely based on our hearts, knowledge, and goals.
Knowledge first, hearts second. Emotional arguments lead to poor choices.
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In the early 70's, and informed and car smart automaker built a concept car that seated 8 people. It tested well with focus group made up largely by uninformed consumers. The automaker did not put the vehicle into production.
If the consumers tested the vehicle, they became familiar, and therefore informed about it. But it was not the consumers' decision to market the car or not, so this story is moot.
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Would you buy a car for a lot more money than it's worth without bothering to find out if anything is wrong with it?
LOL I think thats a good point. Maybe I will, maybe I won't, maybe its because I'm not properly informed about cars. But, one thing for certain, the car I buy will be my choice, not the salesman.
Oh, you think the salesman won't be able to convince you this car is the right one, while you, the buyer, remain uninformed and insist on being that way? Basing important choices on luck is not a good strategy.
This is exactly what politicians are banking on, that you will be an uninformed voter marking an X blindly based on what they have convinced you with, and not necessarily anything to do with reality. The Liberals and Conservatives are both guilty of this, but I think the Conservatives are much more conscious of the fact that they're doing it and fully expect their electorate to make uninformed decisions so that they will get elected.
Benoit @ Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:02 pm
Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:
Benoit Benoit:
Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:
I agree that responsibility is important. Specifically, I believe that we have the responsibility to vote freely based on knowledge
Knowledge doesn't fall from heaven.
Sometimes it does, but don't worry there is no risk of it striking you in the head.
You are working too much under the Sun.
Benoit Benoit:
Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:
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Got something tangible on that one? What specific policies are created with a wanton disregard of the populace?
Damn it Mustang, thats a good question but if I even attempt to answer this, I'll get typer's cramp.
Begin by naming one.
National childcare program - the Liberal know it alls would have us believe that a one size fits all program is what this country needs.
Yet, the redneck in me told me that they are full of crap, just give me the money and I'll use it to pay whomever is watching my child. My childcare provider wouldn't get a shiny nickel from those armed chaired assholes in Ottawa, and you know it.
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Knowledge first, hearts second. Emotional arguments lead to poor choices.
I'll agree with that, most of the time, but consider this....
You can't temper steel unless you heat it to the correct temperature before cooling it in oil.
romanP @ Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:08 pm
Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:
National childcare program - the Liberal know it alls would have us believe that a one size fits all program is what this country needs.
How is that an example of wanton disregard? Beureaucratic naivete, perhaps, but not disregard. It's bad policy based on good intentions.
brb...