"informed voters"
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Wally_Sconce @ Wed Jul 23, 2008 8:21 pm
WTF does RRSP have to do with anything that I wrote? are you sure you aren't drinking beer?
Wally_Sconce @ Wed Jul 23, 2008 8:22 pm
Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:
EDIT: Screw it.
I hump puppies, but I don't tell anyone about it.
Wally_Sconce @ Wed Jul 23, 2008 8:33 pm
romanP romanP:
Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:
$1:
Knowledge first, hearts second. Emotional arguments lead to poor choices.
I'll agree with that, most of the time, but consider this....
You can't temper steel unless you heat it to the correct temperature before cooling it in oil.
I'm not sure what kind of point you're trying to make. If it's that people should be set in their ways and use that to make decisions, you are poorly mistaken. As Les Claypool once wrote, defying the laws of tradition is a crusade only of the brave. If you don't have the guts to be informed, then stay out of the ballot box and leave it to people who are mature enough to be armed with facts.
Nah, I'm just trying to promote a general theme that the 'informed' aren't always informed, and the 'uninformed' sometimes know what they are talking about....hence, acvtive involvement from both sides is where Canada should be at.
the tempering steel analogy was an attempt to state that good policies come from analytical thinking with a good dose of basic common sense. the basic common sense( as well as some of the analytical thinking) comes from the average citizen like you or me.
Wally_Sconce @ Wed Jul 23, 2008 8:36 pm
BTW, do you really think that the most politically savey people are armed with 'facts'?
Not me, I think they are generally armed with partisan propaganda.
Mustang1 @ Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:59 am
Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:
a simpleton redneck like myself doesn't care if you want to call it a 'wanton disregard', a 'bureacratic naivete', and just plain dumb.
I actually didn't call it a "wanton disregard" because it wasn't.
$1:
to me it's still a good example of the 'informed' thinking that they know what the 'uninformed' wants and needs.
And yet, you've provided nothing to substantiate that. Perhaps instead of advocating anti-intellectual relativism you could provide more substance and more examples as to why you think your assertion is valid?
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Edit: thank god for occasinal elections where us simpletons can set the record straight.
[/quote]How exactly did "simpletons" set the record straight? Now you're implying that when "simpletons" vote, they do out of some bizarre moral/political imperative, but others do it for what, exactly? Why would "simpletons" have the only insight on correcting and alleged political mistake?
Mustang1 @ Thu Jul 24, 2008 5:03 am
Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:
BTW, do you really think that the most politically savey people are armed with 'facts'?
I think that politically aware people are armed with knowledge, facts, education and an appreciation - rightly or wrongly - of electorate behavior.
$1:
Not me, I think they are generally armed with partisan propaganda.
That too, but why should they be mutually exclusive traits?
snuggles61 @ Thu Jul 24, 2008 5:18 am
No matter how informed you are even if you have a Phd in political sciences when you have absolutely nothing to vote for whatsoever(And we really don't) what good does your being informed do you?
Wally_Sconce @ Thu Jul 24, 2008 5:37 am
Mustang1 Mustang1:
And yet, you've provided nothing to substantiate that.
nothing that will satisfy your analytical brain, but who said that is a means to meet all ends?
$1:
Perhaps instead of advocating anti-intellectual relativism you could provide more substance and more examples as to why you think your assertion is valid?
I'm just a dumb redneck, I don't know how to spell 'anti-intellectual relativism' let alone know what it means. But I'm pretty sure you are subtley trying to insult me. Thanks.
$1:
How exactly did "simpletons" set the record straight? Now you're implying that when "simpletons" vote, they do out of some bizarre moral/political imperative, but others do it for what, exactly? Why would "simpletons" have the only insight on correcting and alleged political mistake?
No, it's more like we have a democracy through representation. Every once in a while we enjoy a short spell of democracy when voters go to the ballot box. Too bad the smart guys don't give us something better to vote for.
Wally_Sconce @ Thu Jul 24, 2008 5:41 am
$1:
I think that politically aware people are armed with knowledge, facts, education and an appreciation - rightly or wrongly - of electorate behavior.
I'm armed with the same things especially when its related to matters that directly effect me. In some issues, I'm the 'informed' and they are the 'uninformed'.
Mustang1 @ Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:58 am
Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:
nothing that will satisfy your analytical brain, but who said that is a means to meet all ends?
Condescending tone aside, you've yet to provide anything tangible to assert your claims. Unless it's objective, then it's merely an opinion and that's immaterial
$1:
I'm just a dumb redneck, I don't know how to spell 'anti-intellectual relativism' let alone know what it means. But I'm pretty sure you are subtley trying to insult me. Thanks.
Why not ask what it means instead of inferring something? Perhaps instead of just railing against informed individuals you could offer something beyond subjective posts?
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No, it's more like we have a democracy through representation.
Huh? Did i state something to contradict that? What's your point?
$1:
Every once in a while we enjoy a short spell of democracy when voters go to the ballot box.
Actually, democracy isn't merely voting. Democracy - depending on the type - is always at play, especially in our liberal variant. Sorry, you're wrong.
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Too bad the smart guys don't give us something better to vote for.
Last time i checked Canada was a prosperous, successful nation-state. Seems to me that the "smart guys" have a done a great job - so great, and you'd be the first to agree, that "uniformed" people can still matter in our state's electoral/civic process.
Although you're more than welcome to prove me wrong.
Mustang1 @ Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:59 am
Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:
$1:
I think that politically aware people are armed with knowledge, facts, education and an appreciation - rightly or wrongly - of electorate behavior.
I'm armed with the same things especially when its related to matters that directly effect me. In some issues, I'm the 'informed' and they are the 'uninformed'.
So, now it's okay to be "informed" because you're in on it? How delightfully hypocritical and self-serving
Mustang1 @ Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:02 am
snuggles61 snuggles61:
No matter how informed you are even if you have a Phd in political sciences when you have absolutely nothing to vote for whatsoever(And we really don't) what good does your being informed do you?
You make an informed decision and perhaps, instead of whining about it, you apply said knowledge to the political process such as policy development, political volunteering or becoming an active participant.
Mustang1 @ Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:04 am
Mustang1 Mustang1:
snuggles61 snuggles61:
No matter how informed you are even if you have a Phd in political sciences when you have absolutely nothing to vote for whatsoever(And we really don't) what good does your being informed do you?
You make an informed decision and perhaps, instead of whining about it, you apply said knowledge to the political process such as policy development, political volunteering or becoming an active participant.
Here's an MA in Political Science!
Mustang1 @ Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:06 am
double post
Wally_Sconce @ Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:14 am
$1:
Unless it's objective, then it's merely an opinion and that's immaterial
In a democracy, opinions matter. This is one point that I'm trying to make.
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