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Note I said demise of the PCs not the conservative oriented parties.



Someday you cons will llearn what socialism is. I'd direct you to the last big thread illustrating this but why bother? Suffice to say that a large military is just as much gov't funded socialism as any healthcare program. It just serves a different function but both involve using tax money collected from the country as a whole.

   

But it does not make you any less partisan. Like I said, nothing wrong there.

So it's a book, written by a man, it is not cast in stone, time will tell.

Who is there to verify all that is written is the truth.

   

Lol. For all the whining, name calling and pointless swearing, almost everyone of my posts against the Liberals was based on legitimate news. These are the skeletons that you find when a band of questionable moral people run a country for a decade or so. I have every belief that the CPC could be just as bad and if I'm still around and not a senator yet, I'll join you in dumping on them.

   

Harpers campaign managers book and thats your response? A prime example of hypocracy.

You know absolutely beyond any shred of doubt that were it a Liberal guy writing the book you would put it forth as absolute proof.

Harpers fucking campaign manager pretty much states outright that the CPC has a "secret agenda" and that they have to "manipulate the public into voting for a diluted conservative gov't, one that misrepresents what they will actually run, because in his belief the voting public won't ever vote in the type of gov't he feels we need..

This isn't fear-mongering on the part of the Libs or anyone else. It may be one mans opinion but that man was Harpers ex-campaign manager and therefore his opinion is indicative of the type of candidates and thinking prevalent in the CPC.

That was what I posted in the thread and instead of answering that you lnow full well the entire con response was essentially "yawn" and "liberal whining".

Far from whining I think it is a perfectly reasonable question to bring up and your responses were just perfect examples of why political discussion witht he vast bulk of the cons on this forum is useless.

From RR and the rest of the morons who throw out Libranos I expect that from.

You should know better.

Now since my rep is well established as defending the Liberals you can at least say I make far far more of an effort. I don't respond (except to point out the obvious partisanship of you guys) by bitching about you guys but by defending the Liberal point of view.

Your guys never do. In any thread attacking the cons the statndard response is "ya but the Liberals ........".

Fuck, even when Rev, a staunch NDP supporter, posts about a sitting NDP members fight with Harper the responses were all attacks on the Libs.

Look at Ryan29. He blamed John Torys fuckup on everybody but John Tory. Then he states that what Tory did isn't a "flip-flop" when there has rarely been such a clear-cut example. It certainly would have been had a Liberal done it.

Harper cuts a 2 billion dollar check to Charest who promptly issues a tax cut in order to win an election. Not a single cry of vote buying and pandering from the people who said that was a hallmark of Liberal-QC treachery.

Belinda a whore while Emersons a saint. Turners a Traitor while Wajids simply joing a party that better reflects his values.

The sheer number of bitch threads against the Libs is abject proof who the whininers and complainers are and rarely do any of them have any substance.

An entire thread bemoaning that Ontarians "have lost there minds" all because we won't simply throw our hands in the air and vote PC (note he hates the Libs but the NDP isn't considered an alternative) despite the reality that most Ontarios deplore Tory's religious funding policy.

In his mind we are all nuts because we don't vote the way he wants regardless of the fact that we are adamantly opposed to the platform of the PC party.

Its the voters fault. Its the medias fault. Its the Liberals fault. Its always the same complaints.

   

No you don't. Unlike you I recognize which things are inherent to our politics which is why floor-crossing and pandering to your support base dosen't surprise me nor upset me.

You seem to base your condemnation or acceptance of any political act based entirely on which party does it.

Thats why you spend virtually no time explaining why your party is good and its policies but rather bitching about every trival matter about the other guys while excusing it in your own.

   

At least RR admits to a partisan bias.

   

You, you you. You do this and you do that..

With such a constant campaign to paint me as you'd like, is it any wonder why I restrict my good news announcements to the Conservative forum? You just get more shrill, call more names and swear more, showing that either you’re losing or have no respect for those you talk with.
I, personally don’t have much patience with you anymore.

   

Psychophant X, typical of the Left, considers himself the only one capable of seeing the 'Truth'. Dissenting views will not be tolerated by the Party Toady.

This like Nero dancing and playing the violin while Rome burned around him, and no this is no renewal of the Party by levelling it to the foundations. He is oblivious to the failings of his own cherished organization.

One of the main reasons that we see so little Liberal infighting is that individual party members are not allowed dissenting views, or if they do have one they are expelled, resign or are punished in other ways. The 'reviled' Conservatives in their manifestations allow members to express their own personal views, even when they run contrary to the Party. We have to remember that our MP's first priority is to represent their constituents and second, represent their Party.

   

Really? Considering you have been on this forum long enough to remember a time when it was I who engaged conservatives like yourself in a vain attempt to discuss the issues just to be called a typical corrupt fiberal. In fact I recall challeging you to make it through 1 week or at the very least the duration of our debate without resorting to baseless political name calling.

I also recall that I have continually said that some sort of political compromise between the cons and libs because they were the 2 parties with the combined greatest level of support. Hardly very partisan eh?

The fact is that long ago you guys refused to accept any position other then "all Libs are corrupt" and refused any attempt at political recourse.

That certainly didn't leave me with the impression that you respected us any.

BTW, the fact that you get this response is entirely because everybody is simply sick and tired of your incessant anti-Liberal bitching.

   

Do I make this crap up?
Am I blithering on about someone's hair, belly or the fact that they wear a wetsuit? My posts about Dion's candidate debts or Martins connection to Powercorp are all things you liberals would wet yourself if the Cons did.
Suck it up. After decades in majority, you're party has become corrupt and they need to purge. The election was the perfect time for that but the powers behind the party pushed to get back in power instead of fixing the corruption problem.

   

Forgetting the umpteen threads that were nothing but substanceless attacks and forgetting that I didn't make up the "secret agenda" of the CPC, but that their own guy admitted it.

Face it, the reason why there are constant rumours about the so-called secret agenda is that there apparently is one.

No as for the Libs being corrupt, well they are in that they are politcians. They are no more corrupt then the CPC or NDP and certainly far less corrupt then the vast majority of politicians around the world.

   

Well said. Arguing with the Liberal supporters on this site is equivalent to talking to a wall. Look at the nonsense from them when I pointed out that they are as bad as they say conservative supporters are.
Derby and Streaker are as bad as any Conservative supporter out there but they are afraid to admit it. I can sum all of their political posts as Conservatives bad, Liberals good.

   

Not all are like that 2 Cdo, I've met liberals and conservatives who straddle the line and have voted for one party or the other based on the candidate, rather than the party line.. It's just the psychophant that stands on the sideline repeatedly saying Dayseed did this to you, Mustang did that to you. The other two you mentioned put up a good arguement and don't go partisan, regurgitating what they've been fed by others, but state opinions based on personal observation. I don't always agree with their views but some of the points they raise make you question why you hold certain views. It's the unquestioning fanatics, from any party we have to be careful of.

   

Not at all. That is essentially the con position in reverse. What I have said is that all politicians are inherently corrupt because the very nature of politics breeds it.

You guys seem to claim your own guys and only your own guys are above it. The Liberals are corrupt because they have been in power to long (you say) but then what about the NDP? They are rarely in power yet they rate the same it seems.

Take a good long look at the threads and count. The anti-Liberal threads outnumber the anti-CPC threads by about 20-1.

As for agreeing with sheepshits BS that the CPC allows its members to express personal views, wel that is just plain wrong. In fact Harper has done far less then that and the crtiticism is that he has kept then on a short lease. I guess you missed the fact that the crticism came from within its own ranks as well (as posted by Rev Blair).

Given that we do see evidence of Liberal infighting and that goes back to Martin & Chretien you can see how wrong he is. They do have different opinions and personalities and they do clash. Now if the Libs can hide it better then good on them. It certainly happens with the same regularity across the political spectrum.

BTW, Streaker defended me and was quite right in his assesment. It was his personal assesment and you responded by calling him a "Liberal mouthpiece". He wasn't defending the Libs or Liberal policies but me personally and you illustrated my point exactly.

You didn't cry that he was simply biased for me you went right into a crass political attack calling him (a staunch NDP supporter) a Liberal mouthpiece. Bart & Tricks have defended me before also. Are they Liberal mouthpieces?

Oh, and just so you know. I am not the person calling all the CPC corrupt flip-flopping ass clowns who should be disbanded. I've personally supported some form of governent between to two leading parties (support wise). Hardly scathing partisanship eh? It isn't blind partisanship to support your party, its partisanship to support your party doing things while condeming the others for the exact same thing.

   

Derby's right, no party is somehow inherently more honest than any other party out there and we've got it a shitload better here than elsewhere in the world, like the Ukraine. Right now, I'm not impressed with the federal Liberals any more for their infighting than I was when Stronach and Harper had a big messy backroom fight that spilled out into the scrums.

Thus, it's no use stumping for any one party. You may as well stump for what you believe to be right since you're less likely to be disappointed by the antics of your particular party's members.

   

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