Liberals and the backlash....

OnTheIce @ Tue Dec 19, 2006 8:08 pm

lily lily:

Liberal, Conservative... whatever. No-one has a monopoly on good environmental practices.

This is one issue where we should all work together and forget partisanship.

God, that's refreshing to read. This Country has been terrible all round, regardless of the Party in power.

PluggyRug @ Tue Dec 19, 2006 8:09 pm

Always4Iggy Always4Iggy:

Here is a quote from the Toronto Star that was quoted by SJ in another thread. I think it is relevant here too

$1:

Polls have consistently shown that Canadians believe the Conservatives have mishandled the environment file. Harper came to office suggesting that the Kyoto Protocol, which limits greenhouse gases that cause global warming, would be essentially ignored.

His government hoped that past Liberal governments' repeated failures to meet Kyoto targets would buffer the Conservatives from any significant voter outrage on the issue.

"After years of ignoring the problem, Canada has perhaps the worst environmental record of any developed country," he said.

Greenhouse gas emissions rose by about 25 per cent under the previous Liberal government, even though it signed the Kyoto accord and always insisted its gas-reduction targets were achievable.

But some prominent Conservatives have said Harper has not gone far enough in his effort to make the environmental issue his own.

Former prime minister Brian Mulroney said earlier this month that a sound environmental policy will be a key to winning the middle class vote in the next election. Mulroney told CBC "it would be politically regrettable" if the Conservatives ceded control of the issue to the Liberals.

Liberals have control of the issue, and that is just a fact.

Liberals have difficulty controlling their own bowel movements.

They have the same problem with the environment.

sandorski @ Tue Dec 19, 2006 8:18 pm

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

sandorski sandorski:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

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OnTheIce OnTheIce:

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OnTheIce OnTheIce:

sandorski sandorski:

Don't need one to recognize BS.

What's BS about it?

I'm listening.

I'm interested to know why you think it's BS when studies and evidence shows otherwise. I'm interested to know why CO2 levels are at their highest while the Global average temp. has decreased.

Do tell.

WTF? Temperatures are decreasing? There is No doubt that they are increasing, anyone saying otherwise is not worth taking seriously.

No doubt in your mind, perhaps.

The numbers don't lie.
http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p36.htm

Perhaps you need to familiarize yourself with the topic before you try to make an argument.

I think you should follow your own advice.

Besides your own opinion, you've shown me nothing. I'm well versed on the subject, you're not, and that's quite clear.

All you've shown is that you are gullible enough to fall for quackery. Here are a couple links from Real Scientists who are Experts:

NCDC
NASA

If you guys think that's the only thing I base my views on, you're kidding yourself. I always love how we here at CKA, refer to people, who do not share the common thought as a "quack" or "wacko".

In regards to the "quack", some of his findings are exactly those from the NCDC.

In particular:

$1:

The warming has not been globally uniform. Some areas (including parts of the southeastern U.S.) have, in fact, cooled over the last century.

Further, as all of these studies without hard facts will show, that the future and their findings are approximations based on computer models. Nothing is for sure and the future climate of this World is far from set in stone.

The guys a Quack, whether he uses parts from legitimate studies or not.

No one claims to know all the consequences, but everyone in the Field knows the Global Warming is happening.

Always4Iggy @ Tue Dec 19, 2006 8:21 pm

hwacker hwacker:

Your damn leader is so far over his head he had to bring in the group that was running against him to help bail his ass out. pathetic.

Well, if Iggy stands shoulder to shoulder to him, then suddenly he is a giant, and nothing is over his head.

Always4Iggy @ Tue Dec 19, 2006 8:23 pm

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

I understand you're a Liberal/Iggy supporter, but do us a big favour and remove your head from your ass!

You can't say the Liberals have control over the issue when over their terms in office, they did nothing. Zero. Zilch. And their current stance is nothing as they have no offical stance as they have no platform.

But...I'd like you to humour me. How do the Liberals "have control of the issue"?

Well, if you can read, my friend, you will find that it was Brian Mulroney who said it, not me!

But of course, it is hard for you to read, considering where your head is!

Always4Iggy @ Tue Dec 19, 2006 8:24 pm

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

Liberals have difficulty controlling their own bowel movements.

They have the same problem with the environment.

I do agree that we piss all over the conservatives, but that is NOT due to lack of control!

hwacker @ Tue Dec 19, 2006 8:33 pm

Always4Iggy Always4Iggy:

hwacker hwacker:

Your damn leader is so far over his head he had to bring in the group that was running against him to help bail his ass out. pathetic.

Well, if Iggy stands shoulder to shoulder to him, then suddenly he is a giant, and nothing is over his head.

Well you better tuck the non English speaking french man in the closet until you win, if what I saw today is his best this will be like shooting fish in a barrel.

His command of English is about grade 6 level and his public speaking skills about grade 3.

Maybe that’s why he brought the gang in, they all know when he speaks to normal Canadians he won't be able to convince them of anything other then he's never had a job in his life and his need for a ESL course.

OnTheIce @ Tue Dec 19, 2006 8:44 pm

Always4Iggy Always4Iggy:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Well, if you can read, my friend, you will find that it was Brian Mulroney who said it, not me!

But of course, it is hard for you to read, considering where your head is!

Where exactly did Mulroney say:

"Liberals have control of the issue, and that is just a fact"

?

fifeboy @ Tue Dec 19, 2006 9:01 pm

$1:

There are just as many scientists that disagree with the whole "Global Warming" issue. Perhaps you should read up on it a little bit.

You might want to start at the Oregon Petition:
http://www.oism.org/pproject/

I don't think so!

grainfedprairieboy @ Tue Dec 19, 2006 11:01 pm

fifeboy fifeboy:

grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:

Confused Confused:

The One-Tonne Challenge was a bad idea. What should have been done was mandatory regulation of greenhouse gases, not a wishy-washy voluntary program. But I agree that it was better than having nothing at all.

If you want to reduce greenhouse gases switch to fossil fuel generated electricity rather then hydro as it produces significantly less greenhouse gases per watt produced.

Of course none of this matters to those on a carbon jihad and I don't mean to make you madder than a lynx caught in a piss fire, but here are some sobering facts:

Ice core samples from the past 100,000 years have proven that CO2 rises AFTER AFTER AFTER (as in 'not before') the earth warms. This means that CO2 is not the cause, but rather the effect.

Data from tree rings and lake sediment share the same conclusion. No real historical data has ever linked CO2 to CAUSE increased global temperatures.

The period of 1940 - 1980 marked the greatest amount of CO2 released into the atmosphere by man and during this period global temperatures fell.

CO2 is not a poison and it does not cause global warming.

But Nitrous Oxide does and is about 300 times more powerful a greenhouse gas. Think about that the next time you open a bag of chips. If C02 caused global warming you’d have to drive your car maybe 5000km to equal the effects of a bag Old Dutch.

Now Methane does as well but is only 20-40x more powerful (depending on your viewpoint). This is why a hydro projects release more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere through the rise and fall of a typical hydro dam and the associated methane from decomposing vegetation which is released into the atmosphere when passing through the dams turbines rather then stagnating on the lake floor.

Canada's permafrost is also melting creating millions of small lakes resulting in millions of tonnes of methane released into the atmosphere making the world warming causing more permafrost to melt etc. This effect globally is what has brought the world out of each ice age.

With it comes water vapour and guess what? Everybody agrees that the biggest greenhouse effect of all is water vapour and man has absolutely nothing to do with it.

And that's the cycle of life baby. You can shut off every furnace, ban every car, close every factory and you'd still be just like a cat trying to cover up its shit on a concrete floor. Drain a wetland, empty a swamp, stop composting and maybe we have a chance.

PS. Don’t forget the HFHC’s that replaced the ozone depleting CFCs. I understand they are more than 1000x more powerful as a GHG and their concentrations have been doubling in the atmosphere every year for the last decade and they have quietly been identified as too destructive and are slated for replacement but I am not sure as to what with. (hmmm? Cause and effect? Ban air conditioners?)

Well, who would have thunk it, all those scientists and not a clue and one grain fed prairie boy who knows it all!

I see that neither you nor your brethren have taken issue with a single "fact" that I have presented.

Regardless, my issue is with CO2 being the cause (or contributing factor) of climate change of which there is not a shred of evidence but mountains of data to suggest the opposite.

Always4Iggy @ Wed Dec 20, 2006 2:12 pm

hwacker hwacker:

Your damn leader is so far over his head he had to bring in the group that was running against him to help bail his ass out. pathetic.

Always4Iggy Always4Iggy:

Well, if Iggy stands shoulder to shoulder to him, then suddenly he is a giant, and nothing is over his head.

hwacker hwacker:

Sorry, you are a bit uninformed but then, after all, you ARE conservative, and the sort who believes that the bible proscribes same sex marriage. One quality of conservatives is their dislike for reading and knowledge, even the bible!

Let me inform you as follows:

a. Dion won because of ENGLISH speaking canadians, in fact he failed in Quebec.

b. Far from needing an ESL course, he is a professor, and did not become a professor from some fake theology school, he is a legitimate professor in politics.

c. 'Team Liberal' was created not by Dion shooting an SOS flare, it was created by Ignatieff. The idea is simple. Each of the leadership candidates had built a tremendous volunteer team. Why lose them? Why have only a Dion team survive? After all, Dion was the first choice of less than one fifth of the delegates, and won, for instance because of Gerard Kennedy's obedient supporters, who in turn consisted of cohesive blocs such as Bains (200 delegates,) and Vinney (100 delegates.) If Gerard was on to a good thing, why not replicate it?

d. The other idea of 'Team Liberal' is that it prevents infighting, which Harper badly needs.

So watch your rear, pal, or as they say in french 'gardez vous bum!'

Tricks @ Wed Dec 20, 2006 2:19 pm

Always4Iggy Always4Iggy:

One quality of conservatives is their dislike for reading and knowledge, even the bible!

Well there is a generalization if I ever heard one.

Always4Iggy @ Wed Dec 20, 2006 2:35 pm

Tricks Tricks:

Always4Iggy Always4Iggy:

One quality of conservatives is their dislike for reading and knowledge, even the bible!

Well there is a generalization if I ever heard one.

Tricks, honestly, have you EVER met a conservative who READ, rather than worshipped the Bible?

I'm not talking about some cunningly selected verses from a church bulletin, or sermon, I mean really really read the Bible?

[angel]

PluggyRug @ Wed Dec 20, 2006 2:48 pm

Always4Iggy Always4Iggy:

Tricks Tricks:

Always4Iggy Always4Iggy:

One quality of conservatives is their dislike for reading and knowledge, even the bible!

Well there is a generalization if I ever heard one.

I did, thats why I am now an agnostic......and..... a conservative.

BTW here's a new broom to help with your sweeping statements. You will find a lot of Liberal BS under the carpet.

Oh sorry, you don't have a carpet, Dion stole it to paint it red.

Always4Iggy @ Wed Dec 20, 2006 3:02 pm

Always4Iggy Always4Iggy:

One quality of conservatives is their dislike for reading and knowledge, even the bible!

Tricks Tricks:

Well there is a generalization if I ever heard one.

Always4Iggy Always4Iggy:

Tricks, honestly, have you EVER met a conservative who READ, rather than worshipped the Bible?
I'm not talking about some cunningly selected verses from a church bulletin, or sermon, I mean really really read the Bible? [angel]

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

I did, thats why I am now an agnostic......and..... a conservative.

Pluggy, I can understand agnostic, but how a conservative? Are you sure you READ the Bible?

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