Liberals and the backlash....
weaponeer weaponeer:
They may have provided the most PMs, but do not go on TV and tell me you are my natural leader. Nobody is my natural leader, you eran that position!
I really am not impressed with thier whole attitude,
"We are the libs, we know what's best, you (the people) can't be trusted. Give us all your $$ and we will tell you how to spend it because we know what's best. We know what you should think & say, we will tell you what your values are. You can have free speech as long as it is the same as what we believe and think. If your thoughts and opinions differ in any way you are bad, evil and mean spirited. We will have hostile relations with the US, our biggest trading partner & customer, because it is what's best, because we know what's best. We the libs will solve all your probs & issues with gov't programs and agencies". This is NOT just a Canadian lib prob & attitude, but a worldwide lib prob & attitude.
I like the conservitive approach, you are all smart, you know what's best for youselves. We will take some of your hard earned $$ to pay for big things, the police, military, fire halls, roads, infastructure, the things a free enterprise needs to flurish. We will provide a fertile climate for business to operate & expand (thus paying taxes and employing our citizens). We will not tell you what to think, you can read, figure it out youself, we trust you won't burn the place down. If you have the $$ and want to pay for your own healthcare outside the public system than do it, no prob, it is your $$ & you life.
ROFL, chillax. When I was young I would have agreed with you 100%. However, it is not that cut and dried as you put it. Liberal Thought(not the Political Party) is why we have what we have, which is quite a sweet Civilization. It was Liberals who Rebelled against England to form the US, it was Liberals who adopted Free Enterprise/Capitalism, it was Liberals who created Separation of Church/State, yadda yadda ya.
Don't confuse the Thought/Philosophy with the Party of the same name. Also, don't think that the Conservatives(the Party) are not Liberal(the Thought) themselves for they are Pinko Socialists in comparison to US Conservatives.
hwacker @ Tue Dec 19, 2006 11:55 am
sandorski
If global warming is happening today why are we finding dinosaurs under the ice in the Artic and Antarctic?
Maybe cause the ice was not always there?
hwacker @ Tue Dec 19, 2006 11:57 am
sandorski sandorski:
weaponeer weaponeer:
They may have provided the most PMs, but do not go on TV and tell me you are my natural leader. Nobody is my natural leader, you eran that position!
I really am not impressed with thier whole attitude,
"We are the libs, we know what's best, you (the people) can't be trusted. Give us all your $$ and we will tell you how to spend it because we know what's best. We know what you should think & say, we will tell you what your values are. You can have free speech as long as it is the same as what we believe and think. If your thoughts and opinions differ in any way you are bad, evil and mean spirited. We will have hostile relations with the US, our biggest trading partner & customer, because it is what's best, because we know what's best. We the libs will solve all your probs & issues with gov't programs and agencies". This is NOT just a Canadian lib prob & attitude, but a worldwide lib prob & attitude.
I like the conservitive approach, you are all smart, you know what's best for youselves. We will take some of your hard earned $$ to pay for big things, the police, military, fire halls, roads, infastructure, the things a free enterprise needs to flurish. We will provide a fertile climate for business to operate & expand (thus paying taxes and employing our citizens). We will not tell you what to think, you can read, figure it out youself, we trust you won't burn the place down. If you have the $$ and want to pay for your own healthcare outside the public system than do it, no prob, it is your $$ & you life.
ROFL, chillax. When I was young I would have agreed with you 100%. However, it is not that cut and dried as you put it. Liberal Thought(not the Political Party) is why we have what we have, which is quite a sweet Civilization. It was Liberals who Rebelled against England to form the US, it was Liberals who adopted Free Enterprise/Capitalism, it was Liberals who created Separation of Church/State, yadda yadda ya.
Don't confuse the Thought/Philosophy with the Party of the same name. Also, don't think that the Conservatives(the Party) are not Liberal(the Thought) themselves for they are Pinko Socialists in comparison to US Conservatives.
Liberals ?
boy better get to the books before the test, you're about to fail.
Delwin @ Tue Dec 19, 2006 12:10 pm
For patrick,
Oh the Oism real reputable group, you should read the other popular book "Nuclear War Survival Skills" where they argue that the dangers of a nuclear war are largley exagerated:
http://www.oism.org/nwss/
Quite compelling.
Robinson himself is a hack, as late as 1994 he was still deniying ozone depletion existed, the modern day equivilant of denying the earth is round.
Here is a more thourough debunking of the afformentioned document I recommend not believing everything you read on the Fraser institutes website.
http://www.vanderbilt.edu/radsafe/0107/msg00321.html
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
sandorski sandorski:
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
fifeboy fifeboy:
grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:
Confused Confused:
The One-Tonne Challenge was a bad idea. What should have been done was mandatory regulation of greenhouse gases, not a wishy-washy voluntary program. But I agree that it was better than having nothing at all.

If you want to reduce greenhouse gases switch to fossil fuel generated electricity rather then hydro as it produces significantly less greenhouse gases per watt produced.
Of course none of this matters to those on a carbon jihad and I don't mean to make you madder than a lynx caught in a piss fire, but here are some sobering facts:
Ice core samples from the past 100,000 years have proven that CO2 rises AFTER AFTER AFTER (as in 'not before') the earth warms. This means that CO2 is not the cause, but rather the effect.
Data from tree rings and lake sediment share the same conclusion. No real historical data has ever linked CO2 to CAUSE increased global temperatures.
The period of 1940 - 1980 marked the greatest amount of CO2 released into the atmosphere by man and during this period global temperatures fell.
CO2 is not a poison and it does not cause global warming.
But Nitrous Oxide does and is about 300 times more powerful a greenhouse gas. Think about that the next time you open a bag of chips. If C02 caused global warming you’d have to drive your car maybe 5000km to equal the effects of a bag Old Dutch.
Now Methane does as well but is only 20-40x more powerful (depending on your viewpoint). This is why a hydro projects release more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere through the rise and fall of a typical hydro dam and the associated methane from decomposing vegetation which is released into the atmosphere when passing through the dams turbines rather then stagnating on the lake floor.
Canada's permafrost is also melting creating millions of small lakes resulting in millions of tonnes of methane released into the atmosphere making the world warming causing more permafrost to melt etc. This effect globally is what has brought the world out of each ice age.
With it comes water vapour and guess what? Everybody agrees that the biggest greenhouse effect of all is water vapour and man has absolutely nothing to do with it.
And that's the cycle of life baby. You can shut off every furnace, ban every car, close every factory and you'd still be just like a cat trying to cover up its shit on a concrete floor. Drain a wetland, empty a swamp, stop composting and maybe we have a chance.
PS. Don’t forget the HFHC’s that replaced the ozone depleting CFCs. I understand they are more than 1000x more powerful as a GHG and their concentrations have been doubling in the atmosphere every year for the last decade and they have quietly been identified as too destructive and are slated for replacement but I am not sure as to what with. (hmmm? Cause and effect? Ban air conditioners?)
Well, who would have thunk it, all those scientists and not a clue and one grain fed prairie boy who knows it all!
There are just as many scientists that disagree with the whole "Global Warming" issue. Perhaps you should read up on it a little bit.
You might want to start at the Oregon Petition:
http://www.oism.org/pproject/Hehe, that's a load of BS.
And you have a degree in what?
That's what I thought.....
Don't need one to recognize BS.
hwacker hwacker:
sandorski
If global warming is happening today why are we finding dinosaurs under the ice in the Artic and Antarctic?
Maybe cause the ice was not always there?
You think?
hwacker hwacker:
sandorski sandorski:
weaponeer weaponeer:
They may have provided the most PMs, but do not go on TV and tell me you are my natural leader. Nobody is my natural leader, you eran that position!
I really am not impressed with thier whole attitude,
"We are the libs, we know what's best, you (the people) can't be trusted. Give us all your $$ and we will tell you how to spend it because we know what's best. We know what you should think & say, we will tell you what your values are. You can have free speech as long as it is the same as what we believe and think. If your thoughts and opinions differ in any way you are bad, evil and mean spirited. We will have hostile relations with the US, our biggest trading partner & customer, because it is what's best, because we know what's best. We the libs will solve all your probs & issues with gov't programs and agencies". This is NOT just a Canadian lib prob & attitude, but a worldwide lib prob & attitude.
I like the conservitive approach, you are all smart, you know what's best for youselves. We will take some of your hard earned $$ to pay for big things, the police, military, fire halls, roads, infastructure, the things a free enterprise needs to flurish. We will provide a fertile climate for business to operate & expand (thus paying taxes and employing our citizens). We will not tell you what to think, you can read, figure it out youself, we trust you won't burn the place down. If you have the $$ and want to pay for your own healthcare outside the public system than do it, no prob, it is your $$ & you life.
ROFL, chillax. When I was young I would have agreed with you 100%. However, it is not that cut and dried as you put it. Liberal Thought(not the Political Party) is why we have what we have, which is quite a sweet Civilization. It was Liberals who Rebelled against England to form the US, it was Liberals who adopted Free Enterprise/Capitalism, it was Liberals who created Separation of Church/State, yadda yadda ya.
Don't confuse the Thought/Philosophy with the Party of the same name. Also, don't think that the Conservatives(the Party) are not Liberal(the Thought) themselves for they are Pinko Socialists in comparison to US Conservatives.
Liberals ?
boy better get to the books before the test, you're about to fail.
Yup, Liberals.
hwacker @ Tue Dec 19, 2006 12:42 pm
sandorski sandorski:
hwacker hwacker:
sandorski sandorski:
weaponeer weaponeer:
They may have provided the most PMs, but do not go on TV and tell me you are my natural leader. Nobody is my natural leader, you eran that position!
I really am not impressed with thier whole attitude,
"We are the libs, we know what's best, you (the people) can't be trusted. Give us all your $$ and we will tell you how to spend it because we know what's best. We know what you should think & say, we will tell you what your values are. You can have free speech as long as it is the same as what we believe and think. If your thoughts and opinions differ in any way you are bad, evil and mean spirited. We will have hostile relations with the US, our biggest trading partner & customer, because it is what's best, because we know what's best. We the libs will solve all your probs & issues with gov't programs and agencies". This is NOT just a Canadian lib prob & attitude, but a worldwide lib prob & attitude.
I like the conservitive approach, you are all smart, you know what's best for youselves. We will take some of your hard earned $$ to pay for big things, the police, military, fire halls, roads, infastructure, the things a free enterprise needs to flurish. We will provide a fertile climate for business to operate & expand (thus paying taxes and employing our citizens). We will not tell you what to think, you can read, figure it out youself, we trust you won't burn the place down. If you have the $$ and want to pay for your own healthcare outside the public system than do it, no prob, it is your $$ & you life.
ROFL, chillax. When I was young I would have agreed with you 100%. However, it is not that cut and dried as you put it. Liberal Thought(not the Political Party) is why we have what we have, which is quite a sweet Civilization. It was Liberals who Rebelled against England to form the US, it was Liberals who adopted Free Enterprise/Capitalism, it was Liberals who created Separation of Church/State, yadda yadda ya.
Don't confuse the Thought/Philosophy with the Party of the same name. Also, don't think that the Conservatives(the Party) are not Liberal(the Thought) themselves for they are Pinko Socialists in comparison to US Conservatives.
Liberals ?
boy better get to the books before the test, you're about to fail.
Yup, Liberals.
I guess it was the Liberals that created "
One Nation Under GOD" too ?
and "
In God We Trust" ?
Yep it guess it was those SP's we keep hearing about.
Back to the books boy.
sandorski sandorski:
Don't need one to recognize BS.
What's BS about it?
I'm listening.
I'm interested to know why you think it's BS when studies and evidence shows otherwise. I'm interested to know why CO2 levels are at their highest while the Global average temp. has decreased.
Do tell.
Delwin @ Tue Dec 19, 2006 12:55 pm
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
sandorski sandorski:
Don't need one to recognize BS.
What's BS about it?
I'm listening.
I'm interested to know why you think it's BS when studies and evidence shows otherwise. I'm interested to know why CO2 levels are at their highest while the Global average temp. has decreased.
Do tell.
Re posted from above:
Oh the Oism real reputable group, you should read the other popular book "Nuclear War Survival Skills" where they argue that the dangers of a nuclear war are largley exagerated:
http://www.oism.org/nwss/
Quite compelling.
Robinson himself is a hack, as late as 1994 he was still deniying ozone depletion existed, the modern day equivilant of denying the earth is round.
Here is a more thourough debunking of the afformentioned document I recommend not believing everything you read on the Fraser institutes website.
http://www.vanderbilt.edu/radsafe/0107/msg00321.html
hwacker hwacker:
sandorski sandorski:
hwacker hwacker:
sandorski sandorski:
weaponeer weaponeer:
They may have provided the most PMs, but do not go on TV and tell me you are my natural leader. Nobody is my natural leader, you eran that position!
I really am not impressed with thier whole attitude,
"We are the libs, we know what's best, you (the people) can't be trusted. Give us all your $$ and we will tell you how to spend it because we know what's best. We know what you should think & say, we will tell you what your values are. You can have free speech as long as it is the same as what we believe and think. If your thoughts and opinions differ in any way you are bad, evil and mean spirited. We will have hostile relations with the US, our biggest trading partner & customer, because it is what's best, because we know what's best. We the libs will solve all your probs & issues with gov't programs and agencies". This is NOT just a Canadian lib prob & attitude, but a worldwide lib prob & attitude.
I like the conservitive approach, you are all smart, you know what's best for youselves. We will take some of your hard earned $$ to pay for big things, the police, military, fire halls, roads, infastructure, the things a free enterprise needs to flurish. We will provide a fertile climate for business to operate & expand (thus paying taxes and employing our citizens). We will not tell you what to think, you can read, figure it out youself, we trust you won't burn the place down. If you have the $$ and want to pay for your own healthcare outside the public system than do it, no prob, it is your $$ & you life.
ROFL, chillax. When I was young I would have agreed with you 100%. However, it is not that cut and dried as you put it. Liberal Thought(not the Political Party) is why we have what we have, which is quite a sweet Civilization. It was Liberals who Rebelled against England to form the US, it was Liberals who adopted Free Enterprise/Capitalism, it was Liberals who created Separation of Church/State, yadda yadda ya.
Don't confuse the Thought/Philosophy with the Party of the same name. Also, don't think that the Conservatives(the Party) are not Liberal(the Thought) themselves for they are Pinko Socialists in comparison to US Conservatives.
Liberals ?
boy better get to the books before the test, you're about to fail.
Yup, Liberals.
I guess it was the Liberals that created "
One Nation Under GOD" too ?
and "
In God We Trust" ?
Yep it guess it was those SP's we keep hearing about.
Back to the books boy.
Huh? Did I claim those as liberal ideas?
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
sandorski sandorski:
Don't need one to recognize BS.
What's BS about it?
I'm listening.
I'm interested to know why you think it's BS when studies and evidence shows otherwise. I'm interested to know why CO2 levels are at their highest while the Global average temp. has decreased.
Do tell.
WTF? Temperatures are decreasing? There is No doubt that they are increasing, anyone saying otherwise is not worth taking seriously.
sandorski sandorski:
hwacker hwacker:
sandorski sandorski:
hwacker hwacker:
sandorski sandorski:
weaponeer weaponeer:
They may have provided the most PMs, but do not go on TV and tell me you are my natural leader. Nobody is my natural leader, you eran that position!
I really am not impressed with thier whole attitude,
"We are the libs, we know what's best, you (the people) can't be trusted. Give us all your $$ and we will tell you how to spend it because we know what's best. We know what you should think & say, we will tell you what your values are. You can have free speech as long as it is the same as what we believe and think. If your thoughts and opinions differ in any way you are bad, evil and mean spirited. We will have hostile relations with the US, our biggest trading partner & customer, because it is what's best, because we know what's best. We the libs will solve all your probs & issues with gov't programs and agencies". This is NOT just a Canadian lib prob & attitude, but a worldwide lib prob & attitude.
I like the conservitive approach, you are all smart, you know what's best for youselves. We will take some of your hard earned $$ to pay for big things, the police, military, fire halls, roads, infastructure, the things a free enterprise needs to flurish. We will provide a fertile climate for business to operate & expand (thus paying taxes and employing our citizens). We will not tell you what to think, you can read, figure it out youself, we trust you won't burn the place down. If you have the $$ and want to pay for your own healthcare outside the public system than do it, no prob, it is your $$ & you life.
ROFL, chillax. When I was young I would have agreed with you 100%. However, it is not that cut and dried as you put it. Liberal Thought(not the Political Party) is why we have what we have, which is quite a sweet Civilization. It was Liberals who Rebelled against England to form the US, it was Liberals who adopted Free Enterprise/Capitalism, it was Liberals who created Separation of Church/State, yadda yadda ya.
Don't confuse the Thought/Philosophy with the Party of the same name. Also, don't think that the Conservatives(the Party) are not Liberal(the Thought) themselves for they are Pinko Socialists in comparison to US Conservatives.
Liberals ?
boy better get to the books before the test, you're about to fail.
Yup, Liberals.
I guess it was the Liberals that created "
One Nation Under GOD" too ?
and "
In God We Trust" ?
Yep it guess it was those SP's we keep hearing about.
Back to the books boy.
Huh? Did I claim those as liberal ideas?
sandorski sandorski:
It was Liberals who Rebelled against England to form the US
it was Liberals who created Separation of Church/State
Yeah you did.
SJ-24 @ Tue Dec 19, 2006 2:43 pm
Delwin Delwin:
SJ-24,
No that wasn't my point at all. You questioned Dion's reasoning that the budget may be a reason to call an election. My point was that Dion got a taste of a Harper budget last time, he cancelled $1 billion worth of social programs. Unless he plans on reinstating $1 Billion worth of social programs, I think it is fair for Dion to assume that the budget will not be to his liking. Sight unseen.
I think we have an idea of the kind of budget which is in store, unless he completely changes who he is.
Delwin, how can you actually sit there and say that? By him saying that the budget sucks, he is only showing greed and an inability to work with the other kids. Not the kind of leadership I'd want around. I want my leader to explain why it is the budget is wrong. I want him to explain his reasoning without any second thinking. When he said that the budget wasn't good enough for the Liberals, what he was really saying was he is more dangerous than Harper.
Delwin @ Tue Dec 19, 2006 3:01 pm
SJ-24 SJ-24:
Delwin Delwin:
SJ-24,
No that wasn't my point at all. You questioned Dion's reasoning that the budget may be a reason to call an election. My point was that Dion got a taste of a Harper budget last time, he cancelled $1 billion worth of social programs. Unless he plans on reinstating $1 Billion worth of social programs, I think it is fair for Dion to assume that the budget will not be to his liking. Sight unseen.
I think we have an idea of the kind of budget which is in store, unless he completely changes who he is.
Delwin, how can you actually sit there and say that? By him saying that the budget sucks, he is only showing greed and an inability to work with the other kids. Not the kind of leadership I'd want around. I want my leader to explain why it is the budget is wrong. I want him to explain his reasoning without any second thinking. When he said that the budget wasn't good enough for the Liberals, what he was really saying was he is more dangerous than Harper.

He feels that the cons are taking the country in the wrong direction, as do I. Harper has already done some damage by removing important parts of our infrastructure and much needed social programs. This is not going to change. Harper's heart will not grow 3 sizes that day and we will have another budget cutting more programs which Dion feels are neccesary. This is a fairly safe bet SJ-24.
The fact is that the Liberals do not wish to sit in opposition. They do not want to work with other parties, they want to govern and when the timing is right they will make their move and call an election. The same was true for the Cons when they were in a similar situation. What was the reason they called an election when they did ? It was simply stategic.