Liberals and the backlash....
SJ-24 @ Mon Dec 18, 2006 10:21 am
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/polls/poll_result.html
Over the last two years I've paid attention to these polls to see how close they come to reality. Fact is they have been close enough to be something worthy of paying attention to. With that said, I wonder if Liberals are watching this poll and concerned that a backlash could occur over them forcing an election...Dion made it clear he didn't like the yet announced budget and would vote a non-confidence on it...I wonder what crystal ball Dion uses for seeing the future as the Conservative MP's haven't seen or heard what the government is doing for a budget this Feb. I guess the Liberals must have a better method of stealing information than they did money from us taxpayers! 
Delwin @ Mon Dec 18, 2006 10:40 am
That's a good point SJ, perhaps Harper will recieve a visit from the ghost's of Christmas past,present and future and totally change his outlook to match that of mainstream Canada. It worked for Scrooge.
Are there no work houses ? Of course not Mr.Harper, you've cut all of the funding.
Delwin Delwin:
That's a good point SJ, perhaps Harper will recieve a visit from the ghost's of Christmas past,present and future and totally change his outlook to match that of mainstream Canada. It worked for Scrooge.
Are there no work houses ? Of course not Mr.Harper, you've cut all of the funding.
Yea, Harper's way off.
SJ-24 @ Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:47 pm
You are intitled to your opinion Delwin....If I read your smart assed comment right, you are saying that Harper isn't able to lead because he doesn't speak for the majority of Canadians? I woud say that 37% (for the Liberals) isn't a majority. No matter who gets in this next election, no majority will be won. This country will continue to split and with Dion as leader of the government, you can count on two things to happen. Quebec's PQ and BQ will push for seperation using Dion as the catalyst. Second, Dion's greed for the Alberta oil revenues will piss of "Fast Eddie" and a call from the right in Alberta, who are the majority, will make the existing push for seperation more of a reality.
So if you think 1044 people of a total of 1491 saying they don't want an election means nothing, then you are overlooking the obvious.... 
SJ-24 @ Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:54 pm
More to that....Obviously Dion is paying attention to something because he just backed down and said he wouldn't back a Bloc vote of non-confidence. Perhaps he feels a 70% disapproval for an election is something worth paying attention to.
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/War_Terror/ ... 70-cp.html
Delwin @ Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:13 pm
SJ-24,
No that wasn't my point at all. You questioned Dion's reasoning that the budget may be a reason to call an election. My point was that Dion got a taste of a Harper budget last time, he cancelled $1 billion worth of social programs. Unless he plans on reinstating $1 Billion worth of social programs, I think it is fair for Dion to assume that the budget will not be to his liking. Sight unseen.
I think we have an idea of the kind of budget which is in store, unless he completely changes who he is.
It did not take long for Dion to find the Liberal fence to sit on.
Already in dither mode.
The 1 billion in hand out cuts is just the tip of the iceberg (I hope).
PluggyRug PluggyRug:
It did not take long for Dion to find the Liberal fence to sit on.
Already in dither mode.
The 1 billion in hand out cuts is just the tip of the iceberg (I hope).
Tricks @ Mon Dec 18, 2006 3:46 pm
PluggyRug PluggyRug:
It did not take long for Dion to find the Liberal fence to sit on.
Already in dither mode.
The 1 billion in hand out cuts is just the tip of the iceberg (I hope).
Agreed.
Delwin Delwin:
SJ-24,
No that wasn't my point at all. You questioned Dion's reasoning that the budget may be a reason to call an election. My point was that Dion got a taste of a Harper budget last time, he cancelled $1 billion worth of social programs. Unless he plans on reinstating $1 Billion worth of social programs, I think it is fair for Dion to assume that the budget will not be to his liking. Sight unseen.
I think we have an idea of the kind of budget which is in store, unless he completely changes who he is.
Yeah, Delwin. Let's take a closer look at those cuts, shall we?http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/parli ... tcuts.html$1:
-Programs that didn't spend all the money allocated: $379.5 million
-Programs that are not delivering value for money: $265 million
-Work that could be done more efficiently outside the government: $256 million
-Programs that don't meet the needs of Canadians: $99.6 million
Some of the highlights:$1:
GST rebate, $78.8 million
The government will eliminate the rebate that it offers foreign tourists. The Canadian Revenue Agency says that only about 3 per cent of visitors apply for the rebate, but critics said the cut will hurt tourism, particularly among Americans who cross the border.
$1:
Medical marijuana, $4 million
In announcing the cuts to medical marijuana research, the government says it doesn't believe it should tell researchers what to study. In its election platform, the Conservatives said they would prevent the decriminalization of the drug.
Medical marijuana studies have been in progress since the 1960s, with no discernable result, and disputed public benefit. Classic case of cutting funding to an unproductive study.http://www.annals.org/cgi/reprint/134/12/1159.pdf$1:
A smaller cabinet, $46.8 million
A good portion of the savings, Baird says, will come from having a smaller cabinet. Harper's cabinet, named in early 2006, was made up of 27 members, compared with the 39 ministers of former Liberal prime Minister Paul Martin's cabinet.
Now, before you even cite them, cuts to fighting Pine Beetles, and to Adult Literacy and job training programs are fairly dubious ways to save money. Personally, I'm waiting to see what kind of streamlining is being done in those particular programs to boost efficiency before I render judgement on the cuts.
All the same, when this government went looking for places to save money, they didn't recklessly cut billions from health care like Paul Martin and Jean Chretien did.
Delwin @ Mon Dec 18, 2006 4:00 pm
Your right, education, womens right's, and the environment were the right cuts to make, we'll be living in a big black cave grunting like cavemen in no time.
PluggyRug PluggyRug:
It did not take long for Dion to find the Liberal fence to sit on.
Already in dither mode.
The 1 billion in hand out cuts is just the tip of the iceberg (I hope).
Before we get too enthusiastic about cutting social spending, let's first make sure that a program isn't providing social value before it is cut.
Delwin Delwin:
Your right, education, womens right's, and the environment were the right cuts to make, we'll be living in a big black cave grunting like cavemen in no time.
Which actually leaves you, Delwin, with only about $520.9 million in cuts that you can reasonably cry over. Yet, as with everything, you think you have to claim the full $1 billion, despite the fact that you clearly cannot defend that claim.
As for the "cuts to women's rights", it actually makes much more sense to spend funding for women's programming in delivering actual services to women, in the community, as opposed to merely funding court challenges that really accomplish nothing that isn't already legally prescribed in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, while never really getting women any further ahead by providing them with skills and knowledge to make them more competitive.
One of these solutions will result in actual equality -- the other will only result in artificial equality. Care to take a guess which is which?
Tricks @ Mon Dec 18, 2006 4:14 pm
Delwin Delwin:
Your right, education, womens right's, and the environment were the right cuts to make, we'll be living in a big black cave grunting like cavemen in no time.
Yes. Cut education. Then the teachers can't fucking cry to get paid more cause there is no more money. Fucking teachers.
Women's rights? Last time I checked women can do everything men can do. Don't you agree?
Environment....they put out their own environment plan you twit.
A better environment plan than the Liberals, at that.