More Left Wing Lunacy From the Toronto Board of Education
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VitaminC @ Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:19 pm
Onlly through the Lord God Almighty will you find the Truth, Praise teh Lord.
Heheheh....OKOK I'll stop now, Praise teh Lord.
themasta @ Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:34 pm
VitaminC VitaminC:
Onlly through the Lord God Almighty will you find the Truth, Praise teh Lord.
Heheheh....OKOK I'll stop now, Praise teh Lord.
Heheheh....OKOK I'll stop now, Praise teh Lord.
So mocking a religion with over a billion adherents makes you clever?
Blue_Nose @ Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:52 pm
She's got nothing, themasta, and apparently her imagination isn't running wild this evening so she's resorted to taunting members.
themasta @ Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:30 pm
I'm just worried about her...it's just so sad...
Tricks @ Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:36 pm
Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:
She's got nothing, themasta, and apparently her imagination isn't running wild this evening so she's resorted to taunting members.
It's a guy, but I made that same mistake. Probably because he used the name of a female singer, you automatically draw a line to him being a girl.
OnTheIce @ Tue Jul 25, 2006 9:16 pm
themasta themasta:
VitaminC VitaminC:
Onlly through the Lord God Almighty will you find the Truth, Praise teh Lord.
Heheheh....OKOK I'll stop now, Praise teh Lord.
Heheheh....OKOK I'll stop now, Praise teh Lord.
So mocking a religion with over a billion adherents makes you clever?
VitaminC and clever in the same sentence?
Not since the lobotomy.
VitaminC @ Wed Jul 26, 2006 7:53 am
themasta themasta:
VitaminC VitaminC:
Onlly through the Lord God Almighty will you find the Truth, Praise teh Lord.
Heheheh....OKOK I'll stop now, Praise teh Lord.
Heheheh....OKOK I'll stop now, Praise teh Lord.
So mocking a religion with over a billion adherents makes you clever?
If a billion people jumped off a bridge would that make it better? Hell, Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, does that make it any better?
The only place that Christianity is growing is Africa and Asia....In North America and Europe Reason is tending to preside over the death of Religion, Praise teh Lord.
themasta @ Wed Jul 26, 2006 5:37 pm
VitaminC VitaminC:
themasta themasta:
VitaminC VitaminC:
Onlly through the Lord God Almighty will you find the Truth, Praise teh Lord.
Heheheh....OKOK I'll stop now, Praise teh Lord.
Heheheh....OKOK I'll stop now, Praise teh Lord.
So mocking a religion with over a billion adherents makes you clever?
If a billion people jumped off a bridge would that make it better? Hell, Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, does that make it any better?
The only place that Christianity is growing is Africa and Asia....In North America and Europe Reason is tending to preside over the death of Religion, Praise teh Lord.
I didn't say anything about Christianity being superior to any other belief. I'm just pointing out that mocking a belief held by such a large percentage of the world hardly makes you clever. I am curious though...are you saying that Africa and Asia are without reason? Perhaps you are even going so far as to say they are primitive savages? Though who am I to put words in the mouth of one such as yourself? You hardly need my help to look like a fool.
Is Reason not the Path to Truth? If so, the Lord God Almighty, as you have stated, is where one will find the Truth. Therefore, by your argument, the Lord God Almighty is in fact, Reason. Praise the Lord indeed...
Motorcycleboy @ Wed Jul 26, 2006 7:30 pm
Don't worry Patrick, I won't spend too much time killing your latest nonsense, because I've already sent you screaming off into the night in terror.
But I will take the last word.
$1:
Right. You "misread" the post. Right. The comments are "racist" -- black-on-black racism, I suppose. You're pushing your penchant for making absurd arguments to entirely new levels.Your view of the world is naive and simplistic. Racism is defined as one who judges people according to their race. Anyone can be a racist, and they can direct their racism towards their own race. Racist whites in the US south who shouted obnoxious racist comments at Jackie Robinson in the 1950's while he was playing baseball were no more ignorant that native Canadians who refer to native First Nations Police Officers as "Apples", or blacks who refer to black teachers who advocate education and traditional family values as "Oreos."
$1:
And who is more likely to have a valid viewpoint on this particular matter? Someone who is black, or someone who isn't black, and is actually arguing against a more inclusive school curriculum (you can try and dress up your arguments all you want, that is essentially what you are arguing against).
We have two individuals who have both made comments that can be considered racist, accusing a black man of being racist against blacks because he disagrees with you. That is, quite frankly, fucking retarded. Unfortunately, it's about par for the course for you.
We have two individuals who have both made comments that can be considered racist, accusing a black man of being racist against blacks because he disagrees with you. That is, quite frankly, fucking retarded. Unfortunately, it's about par for the course for you.
Oh, so you want to play "My black vs your black." You are a simple minded fool Patrick.
$1:
TDSB's new curriculum, designed to help struggling black students, is nonsense
By Innocent Madawo
July 24, 2006
So, the Toronto District School Board believes it has found a solution to the problem of black children lagging behind in schoolwork.
The "solution" is a program called Africentric Curriculum to be launched in November with 10 social study units that it's hoped will interest black children enough to do better in class.
Among the units will be lessons on Canada's first black politicians and prominent black artists.
The "gem" of them all is a math unit on racial profiling, where students will grapple with data on how and why Toronto police "treat black people more harshly than whites."
This exercise is "not to get students all worked up about racial profiling" says University of Windsor education professor, Andrew Allen.
It is "to allow them to use data about who gets stopped by police to come up with their own conclusions and develop a critical view of the world."
Really, professor? Further, is the aim here to help black students catch up with their schoolwork? I don't think so.
What I see in all this Africentric nonsense is institutionalized racial profiling.
Studying statistics on how many black people are arrested and how "badly" they are treated by the police as compared to white criminals does not make a black student understand and suddenly be able to balance a math equation.
What I get from all this, and no doubt many students will too, is a scare tactic, perhaps to vividly warn black children of how the system allows police to mistreat people like them.
Shouldn't the fact that some Toronto police officers, who are supposed to "serve and protect" all of us are known to treat black people harshly, make it necessary that they attend lessons to deal with the data showing how they are doing a disservice to the black community?
And how does learning about the first black Canadian politicians and leading artists, in a two-week "Africentric" (whatever that means) program, help a student solve a physics or chemistry problem, or write a legible English composition?
If the idea is to address the problem of non-inclusion of black achievers in the formal curriculum for all Canadian students, the solution is simple, rework the curriculum and include the kind of heroes and achievers that black children will identify with.
Why is there an assumption that white or Asian students will not or should not be inspired by black luminaries?
And why should we assume that black students will not be inspired by achievers of other races?
There are deeper problems in the black community that began a long time ago when some people had a "bright idea" to treat blacks as sub-human.
Over the years, remedies have been made to a large extent and continue to be made.
However, amid all the efforts made to ensure equal treatment of all people, there come others -- including black people who should know better -- who get carried away with the idea of pleasing us and end up harming us instead.
When white children fail or lag behind in school, does the TDSB send them to some Eurocentric program to inspire them?
Of course not. They get tutors. They go to summer school. They do extra lessons until they improve.
This is what should be recommended for black students.
Their parents should be notified to help, either by giving their child extra home schooling on the particular subject they are failing or engaging tutors to help out.
Granted, many black families cannot afford such services as tutors. Therein, you see, lies the real problem -- economic inequality.
-- Madawo is a former Zimbabwean journalist living in Toronto. He blogs at zimtoronto.blogspot.com.
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This author is black Patrick. He writes in the Toronto Sun on a regular basis. As a result, his opinion is a little easier to confirm than your fantasy "black friend's."
So are you now willing to admit you are wrong? After all, he's black, you're not. So how can you disagree with him? After all, by your own logic, he's got more "right" to speak on the subject than you.
Fuck did you ever lead with your chin on that one!
$1:
It's called "having a life outside the internet" and you might want to get acquainted with it.
I'm wasting enough time on you here. You are what we call an "intellectual charity case", and I should have just shown mercy and stopped arguing with you a long time ago.
I'm wasting enough time on you here. You are what we call an "intellectual charity case", and I should have just shown mercy and stopped arguing with you a long time ago.
Translation:
Patrick Really Said:
You're too smart for me. I give on both counts.
MCB to Patrick:
Good night Irene. SLAM!
hungarian_joker @ Wed Jul 26, 2006 7:52 pm
Wullu Wullu:
Blah blah blah, just more PC multicultural drool. It was the people of Europe and the Far East that made this a country that folks actually want to live in. How does learning about the heritage that actually created this country hurt? If I had any interest in learning about my Irish background ( I don't, could not care less ) that should be the responsibilty of my family, not the tax payer.
It doesn't hurt to learn about our heritage, infact everyone in Canada should, however it shouldn't hurt, at least in the case of aboriginals to learn about aboriginal history (especially, they're not immigrants. They did not choose to be Canadian). And if Canadian kids learn about that as well, they'll have a much broader and more objective understanding of Canadian history.
Lots of folks want to live in Canada, like I do, but I can hardly say that Canada is an ultimate dream place for everyone. Aboriginals, under the colonial government, certainly wouldn't have wanted to live in that kind of Canada, so don't speak for everyone.
Motorcycleboy @ Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:16 pm
hungarian_joker hungarian_joker:
Lots of folks want to live in Canada, like I do, but I can hardly say that Canada is an ultimate dream place for everyone. Aboriginals, under the colonial government, certainly wouldn't have wanted to live in that kind of Canada, so don't speak for everyone.
Well, "everyone" who lives here is an "immigrant" as the multiculturalists are so fond of saying. So really, your post only applies to natives.
While it's true that some natives have been mistreated by European colonialists in our history, your post is simplisitic.
North America was hardly a utopian, peaceable kingdom of mutually respectful, supportive native bands prior to European intervention. It was a conglomerate of vicious, warring tribes whose main goal was to undermine and slaughter one another;
http://www2.marianopolis.edu/quebechist ... ndians.htm
$1:
The Seneca attacked and destroyed a town of the Aondironon in 1647. This seemingly unprovoked invasion was undertaken to avenge the capture among the Aondironon by the Hurons and the subsequent death of a Seneca warrior who had been among the Tionontati for the purpose of committing murder. This seeming rupture of the traditional neutrality existing between the Iroquois and the Neutrals caused the latter to prepare for war, and for a time both sides were on the alert and stood defiant. Finally the Neutrals decided to attempt to recover their captives by some peaceable means, and to await a more favourable opportunity to avenge themselves for this loss. But the sudden and complete destruction of the political integrity of the Hurons by their several defeats in 1648-49 by the Iroquois, caused the Neutrals now to fear the rising power of the Iroquois tribes, and they vainly sought to gain their good will by committing an act of hostility against their unfortunate Huron neighbours. When the Iroquois had sacked the most strongly palisaded towns of the Hurons, the Huron fugitives sought asylum in all directions, and many of them, placing their trust in the long-standing neutrality existing between the Iroquois and the Neutrals, which neither had yet sought to rupture, fled to the Neutral towns for refuge; but, instead of affording them protection, the Neutrals seized them as prisoners, and also that portion of the Hurons still remaining in their own country; and led them into captivity (Jes. Rel 1659-60).
Immediately after the political destruction of the Hurons by the Iroquois the latter again attacked the Neutrals. The entire conquest of the Neutrals in 1650-51 was the result of this war, and some remnants of the Neutral tribes were incorporated chiefly with the Seneca villages in New York .
Immediately after the political destruction of the Hurons by the Iroquois the latter again attacked the Neutrals. The entire conquest of the Neutrals in 1650-51 was the result of this war, and some remnants of the Neutral tribes were incorporated chiefly with the Seneca villages in New York .
The white man hardly introduced slaughter, duplicity and subjegation to the North American continent. Natives had been doing that to one another for centuries prior to European arrival.
But if you're advocating teaching Canadian students that native tribes were just as capable of deprivation, ruthlessness and brutality as their European counterparts, then I'm all for it!
VitaminC @ Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:34 pm
Sure there were warring tribes who fought from time to time, but I hardly think that means their sole goal was to slaughter and undermine one another....
Is America's sole goal to slaughter Middle-Easterners just because they have a war with Iraq?
Tricks @ Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:42 pm
VitaminC VitaminC:
Sure there were warring tribes who fought from time to time, but I hardly think that means their sole goal was to slaughter and undermine one another....
Is America's sole goal to slaughter Middle-Easterners just because they have a war with Iraq?
America's goal? So every american who sees a middle-easterner pulls out a knife and guts him? All the soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan shoot everything in sight do they? You really do enjoy pulling stuff out of your ass.
Is America's sole goal to slaughter Middle-Easterners just because they have a war with Iraq?
hungarian_joker @ Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:47 pm
Motorcycleboy Motorcycleboy:
hungarian_joker hungarian_joker:
Lots of folks want to live in Canada, like I do, but I can hardly say that Canada is an ultimate dream place for everyone. Aboriginals, under the colonial government, certainly wouldn't have wanted to live in that kind of Canada, so don't speak for everyone.
Well, "everyone" who lives here is an "immigrant" as the multiculturalists are so fond of saying. So really, your post only applies to natives.
While it's true that some natives have been mistreated by European colonialists in our history, your post is simplisitic.
North America was hardly a utopian, peaceable kingdom of mutually respectful, supportive native bands prior to European intervention. It was a conglomerate of vicious, warring tribes whose main goal was to undermine and slaughter one another;
http://www2.marianopolis.edu/quebechist ... ndians.htm
$1:
The Seneca attacked and destroyed a town of the Aondironon in 1647. This seemingly unprovoked invasion was undertaken to avenge the capture among the Aondironon by the Hurons and the subsequent death of a Seneca warrior who had been among the Tionontati for the purpose of committing murder. This seeming rupture of the traditional neutrality existing between the Iroquois and the Neutrals caused the latter to prepare for war, and for a time both sides were on the alert and stood defiant. Finally the Neutrals decided to attempt to recover their captives by some peaceable means, and to await a more favourable opportunity to avenge themselves for this loss. But the sudden and complete destruction of the political integrity of the Hurons by their several defeats in 1648-49 by the Iroquois, caused the Neutrals now to fear the rising power of the Iroquois tribes, and they vainly sought to gain their good will by committing an act of hostility against their unfortunate Huron neighbours. When the Iroquois had sacked the most strongly palisaded towns of the Hurons, the Huron fugitives sought asylum in all directions, and many of them, placing their trust in the long-standing neutrality existing between the Iroquois and the Neutrals, which neither had yet sought to rupture, fled to the Neutral towns for refuge; but, instead of affording them protection, the Neutrals seized them as prisoners, and also that portion of the Hurons still remaining in their own country; and led them into captivity (Jes. Rel 1659-60).
Immediately after the political destruction of the Hurons by the Iroquois the latter again attacked the Neutrals. The entire conquest of the Neutrals in 1650-51 was the result of this war, and some remnants of the Neutral tribes were incorporated chiefly with the Seneca villages in New York .
Immediately after the political destruction of the Hurons by the Iroquois the latter again attacked the Neutrals. The entire conquest of the Neutrals in 1650-51 was the result of this war, and some remnants of the Neutral tribes were incorporated chiefly with the Seneca villages in New York .
The white man hardly introduced slaughter, duplicity and subjegation to the North American continent. Natives had been doing that to one another for centuries prior to European arrival.
But if you're advocating teaching Canadian students that native tribes were just as capable of deprivation, ruthlessness and brutality as their European counterparts, then I'm all for it!
I wouldn't say their main goal was to slaughter other. Yes they had wars, they had slaves but they also had democratic ties and diplomacy. Conflict, and wars are human nature, and I never said that North America was a utopia. In fact, I do believe that had they been the more technologically advanced, and they conquered us, they might have done the same things. What I'm advocating is that maybe Canadian students also learn about aboriginals. Their history, their lifestyle, and all the abuses they've suffered under the past Canadian governments. Hey I took First Nations this year, and unlike what you may assume it's not a course that paints aboriginals as saints. However, it does give a detailed information of pre-colonial and post-colonial way of life, including the centuries of abuses that are missing from the standard Canadian history textbooks. (I have plenty of friends taking the regulars Social Studies course in grade 11 & 12. I asked them). It wouldn't be a bad idea, if generally Canadians, especially politicians understood a lot about their culture. Maybe, than solving the land disputes could go at a faster pace.
VitaminC @ Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:48 pm
Man my posts just keep going over people's heads....Guess I need to dumb it down a notch.
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