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ziggy @ Wed Jun 28, 2006 9:19 pm
The fact remains.
So which one are you?
Dangerturd on talk on?
Chauchee on APTN?
Nick,the bug eyed Maritimer?
Or "Bob"?
Fess up dude.
thefactremains @ Wed Jun 28, 2006 10:14 pm
ziggy ziggy:
The fact remains.
So which one are you?
Dangerturd on talk on?
Chauchee on APTN?
Nick,the bug eyed Maritimer?
Or "Bob"?
Fess up dude.
first time on the blog...bud..i dont know who those guys...i'll probably end updisagreeing with them in some points i dont care who they are
So which one are you?
Dangerturd on talk on?
Chauchee on APTN?
Nick,the bug eyed Maritimer?
Or "Bob"?
Fess up dude.
thefactremains @ Thu Jun 29, 2006 6:37 am
HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:
thefactremains thefactremains:
HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:
Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:
PluggyRug PluggyRug:
Go ahead and prove you were the first peoples, otherwise can it.
Why would I waste my time?
If you claim we are not and you can prove it in court and that proof would have some effect on our land claims then come on down.
It is an accepted fact that we are the First People of this land.
Send your experts to court. Even if you could prove it, it would make no difference, as international law distinguishing inhabited land from uninhabited did not exist then.
However, it did in 1500AD.
Well in true Native Ideoogy tradition, what if we just say it doesnt matter. What if the Conservative Government uses the Native trick of not recognizing something because it doesnt feel like it. What if the Canadians people say if te so-called 'six nations' can openly break the law at Caledonia without apprpriate trial and punishment , why should we as Taxpyers recognize the need at all to spend yet another dime on a sect of te ppulation who thks lawlesness is acceptable.
Or what if we say, we dont care that you're the so-called 'first people' We could say to you what natives say to us (Go back to Europe) , go back to Kamcathka , im sure the Russians would just love to have back and would be a much better country to live under than those nasty nasty Canadians and there irritatng Taxpayers.
The indian act specifically sections 90, 87[1] and 87[2] epxlains that natives who employ comes from a reserve, derives his/her salary from a place physically on the reserve (even though the work may actually take place far off of it) is tax exempt under the definiton of 'personal property' - by the way this includes EI benefits which noraml taxpayers , pay tax on.
MUST REGISTERED INDIANS PAY TAXES?
It depends. There are some situations in which Registered Indians do not pay taxes. Under sections 87 and 90 of the Indian Act, Registered Indians do not pay federal or provincial taxes on their personal and real property that is on a reserve. Personal property includes goods, services and income consistent with Canada Customs and Revenue Agency (CCRA) policies.
* In this document, when the term "First Nation" is used in the context of the Indian Act, it refers to an Indian Act band.
Since income is personal property, as a Registered (or entitled-to-be-registered) Indian, you may also be exempt from paying income tax on income earned on a reserve. For example, Registered Indians who work on a reserve do not pay federal or provincial taxes on their employment income. See the CCRA's June 1994 guidelines of "Indian Exemption on Employment Income."
Registered Indians do not pay federal or provincial sales taxes on personal and real property on a reserve. The federal Goods and Services Tax (GST) does not apply to on-reserve goods or to those goods acquired by a Registered Indian off-reserve, if the goods are delivered to a reserve by the vendor or the vendor's agent. Most provincial sales taxes are applied in a similar fashion. Special provincial rules may apply to items such as automobiles and alcohol. For example, in some provinces, an automobile must be registered to a reserve address to be tax exempt. For more information, contact the relevant provincial tax authorities.
A pamphlet outlining how federal GST affects sales and purchases by Registered Indians is available from all CCRA offices.
http://www.ainc-inac.gc.ca/pr/pub/ywtk/ ... html#mript
HyperionTheEvil @ Thu Jun 29, 2006 6:45 am
Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:
PJB PJB:
Donny...You better watch yourself. One of these days the government is going to cut you off and ignore the treaties not unlike how the natives pick and choose which statutes they want to follow. We could just declare the treaties invalid and be done with it. Who are you going to appeal it to?
We'll just take all land covered by treaty back and apply to the UN for protection.
Of course they will see that you decided that the treaties did not suit your agenda and under international law all land that is covered by treaty will revert to its original owner.
And that will pretty much be the end of that. A bunch of former Canadians living on land they do not own paying rent to the Aboriginal people.
Of course we might be able to work out some sort of school system where we can re-educate your kids for free.
For a while we will have to put trade and movement restrictions on all non-Aboriginal people, but that is just until we get our own systems and markets up to speed and then you can participate on a limited level. But don't worry, we will give anyone who does not want to participate a cheque each month for roughly 1/3 of the level of poverty.
And your free to leave to anywhere in the world where you think you can get a better shake.
You forget that these are Nation to Nation treaties, not something you can unilaterally change or ignore without consequence.
With the backing of 191 other nations in the world I imagine you'll be changing your mind about ignoring legally binding international treaties.
The UN???
Once more into fantasyland.
Go to the UN? which country has been the major contributor to the Un for the last four decades. Wich countries soldiers, sailors, and air force personnel have been fighting a dying in the service of the UN? If this is your grand plan then your sadly mistaken, which countries are going to supply troops to the UN to occupy Canada? Syria, Libya, Iran?
It's seems as though your abiity to reaso has slipped away somehow, Do you really think that either Britain or the United States would even for a moment let this through the Security Council?
And as for the 'treaties' they can be modified or ignored by the will of Parliment. The constitution gives Parliment that power, and i should think that the natives in Canada had better get thier heads wrapped around the fact that the free money is coming to a end real soon. Looking to the UN to be the pablum for a group of people who insist on living in the past , nursing thier own pre-conceived grudges agaisnt a country that is the finest country in the world, for some sort of outside saviour really means that you have no plan. And people who hold the Native Agenda are going to be further marginalized, not by Canada, but by the fact that Natives are ther own worst enemies.
But you know what - good luck with that.
thefactremains @ Thu Jun 29, 2006 6:53 am
HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:
Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:
PJB PJB:
Once more into fantasyland.
own worst enemies.
But you know what - good luck with that.
HyperionTheEvil @ Thu Jun 29, 2006 6:57 am
Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:
Mustang1 Mustang1:
This dumb fuck thinks that UN mandates supersede domestic law? Yeah right! Ask the United States how that works! Believe me, you naively believe that the United States would support this? How about Britain? France? China? Russia? Spain? Australia? Nope. And there are no teeth in it anyway as sovereign nations shouldn’t always answer to international organization that possess little representative democracy nor direct accountability.
Maybe you are right. But the Treaties that you have with First Nations are legally binding nation-to-nation treaties.
If you think you can simply unilaterally ignore them you have a big surprise coming.
We are not giving up and we are not going away. So do what you must but pulling everyone down because you are too bigoted to find a solution that meets us half way as equals then you will spend a hundred times that fighting us for it.
What do you think the costs of Caledonia, Burnt Church, Oka, Miramichi, Ipperwash, or Gustafson Lake are?
Times that by a few thousands and you have the minimum result of ignoring our rights as Aboriginal people, never mind your ruined international reputation, the economic damage done by blocked roads, rails, bridges and waterways all across the country.
You'll see a little of that tomorrow. You'll see a lot of it if that in the future, if that is what you really want.
It's not Canada reputation that is being ruined my dear myopic friend, but that of the so-called 'six nations' and other natives. Canadians arent setting up road bloacks at the end of their streets, dragging retired people out of their cars and assaulting. Canadians are trying to murder police officer because they think their enetitled to extra rights because of thier pigment of thier skin.
It's natives that use the false shield of 'victimhood' to cover their involvement of organized crime, corruption. You have rights, you have the right to fllow the laws of the land but have chosen not do so, believing erroneously that because they are native that they can flout the law - because they are native and are of course - ahem - victims.
Theproblem with natives as i have said before is that it never ends, even if an agreement is signed its ony a matter of time until natives takes to the actions of criminal behaviour, destroying property, assaulting and killing people, to justify thier 'rights'. Nothing is never enough, no amount of moeny, no amount of land given to natives, no amounts of rights will ever sastify natives. Nor will it cure thier self-inflicted problems, because its not Canada that is oppresing natives, they're doing it themselves.
HyperionTheEvil @ Thu Jun 29, 2006 7:00 am
thefactremains thefactremains:
HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:
Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:
PJB PJB:
Once more into fantasyland.
own worst enemies.
But you know what - good luck with that.
Ive heard this from you several times ranging from 800 billion and now i guess to a Trillion. Id love to see where your numbers come from. But you havent been paying attention to this thread. Canadian Taxpayers owe you nothing because the pay Taxes and ths mystery Trillion dollars was probably created by them anyways.
So why would Taxpayers give you money that you didnt help create, but instead did all you could to make it harder for Taxpayers to earn a living?
HyperionTheEvil @ Thu Jun 29, 2006 7:01 am
ziggy ziggy:
The fact remains.
So which one are you?
Dangerturd on talk on?
Chauchee on APTN?
Nick,the bug eyed Maritimer?
Or "Bob"?
Fess up dude.
So which one are you?
Dangerturd on talk on?
Chauchee on APTN?
Nick,the bug eyed Maritimer?
Or "Bob"?
Fess up dude.
Its Chauchee, or NdN or whtever he calls himself today
Stormrider @ Thu Jun 29, 2006 7:01 am
Don your gona have to do better than the UN for support , they're track record of helping Aboriginal's globally is abysmal . It the same kind of people took the First Nations land to begin with.
HyperionTheEvil @ Thu Jun 29, 2006 7:05 am
thefactremains thefactremains:
HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:
thefactremains thefactremains:
HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:
Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:
PluggyRug PluggyRug:
Go ahead and prove you were the first peoples, otherwise can it.
Why wo.
dex_e.html#mript
As if im really going to follow around a native and look over his shoulder to find out if he's paying taxes. The words are right front of your face, i posted them so people could see how natives get away with not paying taxes. I dont hav to follow aroud natives as they buy whatever it is that they buy.
Again the Tax Code is right there. I suggest reading information before posting about it
thefactremains @ Thu Jun 29, 2006 7:17 am
HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:
Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:
Mustang1 Mustang1:
This dumb fuck thinks that UN mandates supersede domestic law? Yeah right! Ask the United States how that works! Believe me, you naively believe that the United States would support this? How about Britain? France? China? Russia? Spain? Australia? Nope. And there are no teeth in it anyway as sovereign nations shouldn’t always answer to international organization that possess little representative democracy nor direct accountability.
Theproblem with natives as i have said before is that it never ends, even if an agreement is signed its ony a matter of time until natives takes to the actions of criminal behaviour, destroying property, assaulting and killing people, to justify thier 'rights'. Nothing is never enough, no amount of moeny, no amount of land given to natives, no amounts of rights will ever sastify natives. Nor will it cure thier self-inflicted problems, because its not Canada that is oppresing natives, they're doing it themselves.
thefactremains @ Thu Jun 29, 2006 7:25 am
HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:
thefactremains thefactremains:
HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:
thefactremains thefactremains:
HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:
Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:
PluggyRug PluggyRug:
Go ahead and prove you were the first peoples, otherwise can it.
Why wo.
dex_e.html#mript
As if im really going to follow around a native and look over his shoulder to find out if he's paying taxes. The words are right front of your face, i posted them so people could see how natives get away with not paying taxes. I dont hav to follow aroud natives as they buy whatever it is that they buy.
Again the Tax Code is right there. I suggest reading information before posting about it
thefactremains @ Thu Jun 29, 2006 7:28 am
HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:
ziggy ziggy:
The fact remains.
So which one are you?
Dangerturd on talk on?
Chauchee on APTN?
Nick,the bug eyed Maritimer?
Or "Bob"?
Fess up dude.
So which one are you?
Dangerturd on talk on?
Chauchee on APTN?
Nick,the bug eyed Maritimer?
Or "Bob"?
Fess up dude.
Its Chauchee, or NdN or whtever he calls himself today
HyperionTheEvil @ Thu Jun 29, 2006 7:30 am
thefactremains thefactremains:
HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:
Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:
Mustang1 Mustang1:
This dumb fuck thinks that UN mandates supersede domestic law? Yeah right! Ask the United States how that works! Believe me, you naively believe that the United States would support this? How about Britain? France? China? Russia? Spain? Australia? Nope. And there are no teeth in it anyway as sovereign nations shouldn’t always answer to international organization that possess little representative democracy nor direct accountability.
Theproblem with natives as i have said before is that it never ends, even if an agreement is signed its ony a matter of time until natives takes to the actions of criminal behaviour, destroying property, assaulting and killing people, to justify thier 'rights'. Nothing is never enough, no amount of moeny, no amount of land given to natives, no amounts of rights will ever sastify natives. Nor will it cure thier self-inflicted problems, because its not Canada that is oppresing natives, they're doing it themselves.
I understand English, For some who has said that English is his second language you should try to curb your procilivty for tossing out insults for bad english based on your admitted limited understanding of the Language Chauchee.
That being said you have again failed to completely adress my points in my post, simply another rant for the sake of ranting. Provide your numbers your independent verified and generally accpeted proof that we owe you anything . Your problem Chauchee is that you are like many natives who simply see themselves as 'victims', you have these huge dreams where the Taxpayer is someday going to bow down and hand you a cheuqe for millions of dollars because of the myths of Native Ideology.
So to answer your question, the place im standing on is called "Canada". The best country in the world, the freest and the most generous country in the world. Simply because you refuse to see the opportunties right in front of you , does not mean that Taxpayers owe you anything
thefactremains @ Thu Jun 29, 2006 7:33 am
HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:
Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:
Mustang1 Mustang1:
This dumb fuck thinks that UN mandates supersede domestic law? Yeah right! Ask the United States how that works! Believe me, you naively believe that the United States would support this? How about Britain? France? China? Russia? Spain? Australia? Nope. And there are no teeth in it anyway as sovereign nations shouldn’t always answer to international organization that possess little representative democracy nor direct accountability.
It's not Canada reputation that is being ruined my dear myopic friend, but that of the so-called 'six nations' and other natives. Canadians arent setting up road bloacks at the end of their streets, dragging retired people out of their cars and assaulting. Canadians are trying to murder police officer because they think their enetitled to extra rights because of thier pigment of thier skin.
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