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Here's one book reference

Sun TZU Art of War

In Times of Peace Prepare for War. In times of War prepare for peace.

The discourse that has gone forward here, really has become an intellectual sinkhole. I have brought forward events, interpret them how you will. Mustang 1 likes to appear intelligent by using colorful empty words and huge paragraphs that don't really say anything. He uses alot of distorted information and potrays thems as facts. He's repetative with the same dribble. The same empty rhetoric. He's a master garbler, a skipping record.
He believes bombarding somebody with garbage and demanding someone to address this garbage is winning. Then toodles to the garbler.

What is to be learned from the Canadian Affair? Quebec needs to tighten its resolve and not soften on sovreignty. These attitudes will not go away without some sort of ass kicking, by whom it is not sure.

Ireland established itself through Guerella warfare. Who would have thought the mighty British would allow Ireland to leave. But is Guerella warfare necessary for Quebec to leave? Quebec was Conquered (Taken is more like it - There was no force to defend it) by Britain. if Britain is no longer interested in Canada, to me that is an open door to leave. However, people have roadblocked this effort every step of the way.
If Mustang 1 or Galvanov (however he wants to reveal himself as) represents Canada, the steps to the door are getting shorter.

As history has revealed anglos are not to be Trusted. The PQ should do what is necessary to ensure a respect and an acceptance is accomplished for the said lands in Question.

You can't make an omlet without breaking a few eggs. Quebeckers need to be reminded of the Canadian Experience, and take the steps to insulate themselves further.

After all it is hard to race with the stallions, when you are surrounded by Donkeys.

The war continues...


_747

   

This thread and especially its basic premise has to be one of the biggest steaming piles of horseshit I've ever seen on this forum!

_747: I invite the PQ to have a go of it in Ontario. It would be very interesting to see how many votes they would get! Of course, the PQ isn't interested in going to Ontario because they aren't half as silly as you are. Furthermore, to suggest that Canada (or America) owes Ontario to Quebec serves only to reveal how blinded you are by your hatred. En autres mots: tu es un raciste! The evidence of your bigotry is present in virtually all your posts in this thread, and it is something that many PQ supporters would surely find deeply embarrassing.

Particularly amusing is your suggestion that America should invade Canada, grant Quebec its independence, and then turn Ontario over to this newly independent Quebec! Il faut vraiment etre "epais au possible" pour croire que cela se produirait! Je n'arrive pas a croire que tu es si completement NUL!

Although you seem very adept at making a complete fool of yourself, I don't think you are half as stupid as you make yourself out to be. More likely you are just a tired and frustrated shit-disturber. Pathetic...

Mustang1: Are you a complete masochist? IMHO, you have expended way more time and energy on this clown than he deserves!

   

Sun Tzu on the Art of War said:

Chapter 2: Waging War, point 18

keep that in mind.

Chapter 3:Attack By Strategem, point 1
Chapter 3:Attack by Strategem, point 2

Don't try to use the Art of War to help yourself. But you did bring up one good point though: omlets need eggs. Eggs come from chickens. Historically, the French are chickens. Therefore, i wouldn't have been able to have my omlet this morning if we didn't break the French. Stupid logic is fun! LOL

   

What good is reading all these books and establishing a point of fact as to why things are the way they are in Canada and North America if they can't be shared with the world?

What have I accomplished here?

I have flushed out the attitude that has been the single stalling point to any reconcilation with Quebec and like a disease this attitude must be met at all fronts. Truth knows no bounds, nor does freedom..

Let's recap:

Prior to: The French Colony and the American Colony are not friends (French-Indian War/Competing Fur Trade routes).

1759, a poorly defended colony was lost To Britain during the Seven Year War. http://www.canadiana.org/citm/imagepopu ... 759_e.html

1774, King George makes changes to the governance of Quebec that is not in the interests of Francophones.
http://www.solon.org/Constitutions/Cana ... _1774.html However, this establishes a reference as to what is and is not Quebec!!!!!!!

http://www.canadiana.org/citm/imagepopu ... 1774_e.htm

1776, The American Colony makes a move for independence. The Americans make a move to Bring the Francophones on side, but this effort is neutralized by a deal of promised Language rights (Hence section 133 of the British North America Act) and the right to manage their own affairs by King George and it worked. Canada is a Bilingual Country.

However, France makes a deal with the United States to help them in exchange for the return of the Colony. France provides military resources and supplies that amounted to an astronomical amount of money 2000 million Livres. 1775 The united States invades Quebec with an attempt to make good on this deal, but their forces are to weak to accomplish the agreement. The Americans almost lost, but France swooped in with Warships and Troops that Secured the final Victory and the Establishment of the United States of America. The Treaty of Paris was signed and the United States was recognized. During this signing, the New United States promised to get the colony back, has this happened?

1789: The cost of helping the United States has become an enormous burden on the citizens of France. The various classes revolted and threw France into its revolution. King Louis was executed and the unfulfilled deal that established the United States of America was lost in the shuffle. Europe tried to move in to squash France, but Napoleon proved to be the Master of Europe.

1803 Napoleon aquires Louisiana through its conquest of Spain and in turn sells the land to the United States for 80 million Livres a pittance compared to the 2000 million Livres France paid to liberate the United States for what purpose exactly?

1812 The United States invades Canada, but because there was no France to help fight their battle, they lost.

Napoleon was for Napoleon and no one else, why would he have cared about any effort to return the old colony to France. The War of 1812 could have been a sincere effort to make good on this, but the United States' forces were to weak to succeed without the help of France.

The History of Quebec and the Francophones is what it is. Deals were made but non are accepted or respected, or honored. World history is not built on these virtues or values.

The thrust of this thread was to make it known that Quebec is contained within itself and doing what it does to preserve itself albeit not the original lands in question. Can that be said about the attitudes outside of Quebec?

1884 The people of France gives the United States the statue of Liberty..

http://library.thinkquest.org/20619/Sthist.html

I know some who have posts in this thread may have some trouble with the English Language, so I will help out. The key word here is

alliance - According to Dictionary.com means: 4: a formal agreement establishing an association or alliance between nations or other groups to achieve a particular aim

What was in this Alliance between France and the American Colony?

The United States would become an independent Country, France would
get Quebec http://www.canadiana.org/citm/imagepopu ... 774_e.html.

The United States got what it wanted, but what about? Which leads me to...The pinacle of this thread, the peak, aloft a new direction....

   

Hey 747 I am a United Empire Loyalist. My family came to canada to get away from the american revolution. If you want you land back come and get it I'll be waiting here in Quebtario for you.

THeres only one thing that scares me about you and thats how much you sound like Bush.

   

One thing I have learned from posters such as mustang 1 is to tute your own horn, and I will do that. I was the student, Now I am the master..

boo ha, ha, ha,

My heritage is equally English, and French. What order you decide. To be honest I could care less which side is better than the other. What has mattered to me is cutting through to the objective truth, even if it offends and upsets the majority of people. I believe I have accomplished much of this But the enemies of Freedom and Democracy will do everything they can to squash my assertions.

the Canadaka Site Admin said

If I got a picture like the one here

http://www.rdearnley.supanet.com/darth-vader.jpg

Do you think the this Admin would affix it to my member id?

It is fitting to my new Canadaka stature..

oh, ha, ha....lol

I Invite all to monitor

The United States should give the Statue of Liberty back...
PQ Should expand to Ontario...
PQ Should Have Treason Status Not Party Status

   

So what are you fighting for? its swept away! get over it.

Here is a better avatar of darth
Link

here are the causes of the war of 1812
wikipedia link

   

That would be a fitting avatar if I decide to take a turn for the"establishment correct" view, but I am no where near that state of affairs.

Ignorant, intolerant attitude is what I am fighting. People feel it necessary to throw out their opionions, so I have thrown my opinions into the mix.

I didn't start the thread.

PQ Should Have Treason Status Not Party Status

However if an opinion is going to be thrown in on the matter, it should be an informed opinion whether it sits well with people or not.

Fortunately for me, I am not seeking public approval. There is no gain for me personally to side with Anglophones or the Francophones, as I am both. If I am to be truthful and objective, I must question the motives, the intent behind past actions. With a bit of reason and common sense, conclusions can be made.

Hence the Historical Denial of some of the posters. I could elaborate more, but I would be as gas-baged as mustang1, a real storm-trooper.

_747

   

Mr 747, speaking strictly for myself, i believe that it is truly impossible for anyone to show the vast amount of ignorance about this subject matter as you do. Therefore, i think that you are either
1) intentionally stiring the pot; or
2) a person that i should feel sorry for.

i am leaning toward the first one, and i hope i am right.

As far as Napoleon goes, he technicaly was not a Frenchman, explaining his military record (google French military victories, click "i'm feeling lucky")

   

"French military victories-I'm feeling lucky"


747: I really wish I knew where you were coming from. Are you a separatist? How about telling us where you live? Are you trying to make any kind of serious point or are you just an attention whore?

   

comon 747

we are not worse, not better, just different - renne levesque

   

747,

DODGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just kicked your Levesque worshipping, separatist ass! You tried history, but I threw so many relevant objective facts at you, that you recoiled into the intellectual equivalent of the Fetal Position. I’ll bet that you’re sucking your thumb right now!

What a complete waste of space! This guy tried to push an agenda by bastardizing history and now he’s running from me again. My last post clearly dismantled his historical pigswill with numerous objective truths all backed up by tangible, verifiable academic primary and secondary sources. His response? Oh…quote Sun-Tzu? Yep, smells like yet another DODGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This phantom contract (one that somehow obligated the U.S. to return Quebec to France in return for military assistance during the Revolutionary War) NEVER existed. It was a blatant, unadulterated lie! This guy just made it up! I repeatedly pressed for historical evidence (while simultaneously providing secondary sources that refuted it) and this guy cowered, waffled and shifted away from the salient point. He is intellectually pusillanimous – he’s not interested in true dialogue – he wants to push a contemporary separatist agenda that hinges its merits on bogus misinterpretation and misrepresentation of history.

He disingenuously claims that, “he’s brought forward events” No, he hasn’t. His simply made up whatever he wanted and hoped no one would question its authenticity. Want some evidence? Here’s a quick collection of his finest points to date:

1. France wanted its North American Colonies back, so it made an ultra-secret (now lost) agreement with the U.S. to get them back in return for military aid against the Britain.
2. Ontario is/was essentially Quebec
3. Lower Canada didn’t fight in the War of 1812
4. The U.S. invaded Canada during the War of 1812 as a promise to the French monarch to honour its phantom Revolutionary War contract
5. The American Revolutionary War was the sole cause of the French Revolution
6. France was there to rescue the Canadiens during the Revolutionary War despite the fact that the U.S. invaded Quebec in 1775
7. 1.5 million people came to Canada as UELs
8. English Canada represents 26% of the current population of Canada
9. The stature of Liberty commemorates the Quebec Fact in North America
10. The U.S. should invade Canada to regain Quebec for France

Now that is merely a select few exerts from this poor dullard’s pathetic attempt to try his hand at history, but it clearly illustrates one of the most spectacular displays of ignorance this side of Stephen Harper debating same-sex marriage. Damn, how could one keep posting this drivel in face of overwhelming objective evidence that he has yet to make a point or prove me wrong. Not only that, he has yet to acknowledge his litany of errors – I constantly and consistently dispel his moronic crap with sourced information and yet he runs from me – I clearly intimidate him. Hell, an average elementary school student’s historical understanding would bury him.

Game. Set. Match. I win.

   

I don’t mind paying attention to the little French monkey – it doesn’t require a big time investment on my part (he’s really quite dull and dismantling his garbage is quite easy) and it gives his useless life relevance. I’m really doing a public service.

   

This is too easy…it screams for wit…but he’s not bright…oh, I’ll let someone else have fun with that.

   

Here, I will say this, I support republics and the fredoms and the democracies that follow.

Quebec should have had it's freedom long ago. Let's have a look at the map http://www.canadiana.org/citm/imagepopu ... 759_e.html



Yes, I am stirring the pot, but there is no ignorance about it. Obviously you are on the wagon of historical denial



Great, exactly what I said earlier, affirming my point of



Thank you, Thank you, As Mustang 1 or Galganov would do: Yes indeed I am an intellectual genius and you are bathing in my immensity. Once again I have proven I have become the Master..

oh, ha, ha, ha

But the master must forward acute observations when they are relevant to the topic at hand.

Let us have a look at the map at the time of the Quebec Act

http://www.canadiana.org/citm/imagepopu ... 774_e.html

If you compare the two maps (orange represents spain), the land in the United States has been captured by SPAIN! (Figures the British couldn't even hold onto the whole colony, and they called themselves conquerers, blah..) Napoleon later gets this land back through his conquering (Using the might of France) of Europe and sells it to the United States for 80 million livres a pittance to the 2000 million livres paid to secure the freedom and democracy of the United States.

My points are all serious, the truth, nothing but the truth...As indicated earlier I live in Quebec, I mean Ontario. Uncovering truth, no matter it lies.

_747

   

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