PQ Should Have Treason Status Not Party Status

Ok my information maybe off a little bit, but not enough, not to establish that Ontario is as much Quebec as Quebec is! Here are two pictures: one was a picture as to when the colony was taken.

http://www.canadiana.org/citm/imagepopu ... 759_e.html

Here is another picture of Quebec, after the 1774 Quebec Act was put in place by King George of Great Britain.

http://www.canadiana.org/citm/imagepopu ... 774_e.html

Check out the Act for yourself

http://www.solon.org/Constitutions/Cana ... _1774.html

Today's Quebec certainly is not a reflection of the original Quebec, nor the Quebec that was put forward by King George. This Quebec was later split in two, to become lower (Quebec) and upper (Ontario) Canada. When Canada was created Lower Canada and Upper Canada were joined to become, from which all other provinces were admitted. Which came first, the chicken or the egg. Quebec or Canada, or is Quebec and Canada, one in the same? Can Quebec truly separate from itself? If Quebec were to go its own way should it not keep the name Canada?

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Firstly, look up the Quebec Act and then get back to me – I’m not here to educate the chronically unaware.

Secondly, look up the historical particulars regarding Confederation. This will hopefully eliminate such moronic statements like “When the Dominion of Canada was created Lower Canada and Upper Canada were joined to become one. All other provinces were eventually admitted to become the country we are today.” Damn, that junk would make elementary students weep.

Thirdly, etch this date and event in your feeble intellect: September 13, 1759, Plains of Abraham. Got it? Now explain to me exactly how New France wasn’t a conquered colony after this date – I’ll wait while you fumble with a response.

sollitude its is all about 747!.

hum its was the king of france that sign the stransision of canada to the english at the "traité de paris"

but english wanted us conquered, but today they still want our past burn.
time to deconfederate canada!!

viva canada, banana capital.
damn i love loco locass - liberez nous des libereaux song hahaha

France was conquered – September 13, 1759 on the Plains of Abraham. Final score: Wolfe 1 and Montcalm 0. New France ceased to exist on that day – deal with it.

Jack,

What you don’t evidently comprehend is that not only was Quebec a conquered nation (it was a hardly a “simple military victory”) Britain made extremely generous terms for occupation. In fact, the Quebec Act (apparently you seem to omit its historical significance quite regularly) was a historical aberration as it sought to uphold the “uniqueness” of a conquered people – it was an enlightened act by an Imperial overlord that every right to simply assimilate the French-Canadien culture.

Quebec is different. So is Ontario. And Nova Scotia. And Alberta. And Newfoundland. Each region/culture in Canada is unique in its own distinct way and yet they seem to possess a high cultural esteem that Quebec separatists clearly lack. You seem to suffer from such an inferiority complex that you need “special, special” status or you’ll slip into obscurity. Get over it. Most of your population accepts its distinct status within the confederation and doesn’t subscribe to the bigoted nationalism of separatists. You tend to overplay the separatist sentiment at the drop of a hat and present some poorly articulated list of alleged historical persecutions that is hardly centred solely on French-Canadians and really doesn’t address contemporary sovereignty-association.

In essence, the rest of us do recognize Quebec’s uniqueness. It’s you that needs it constantly reinforced – apparently by extreme measures (separation) if the need arises. You’ve had two major “kicks at the can” and you REFUSE to honour those plebiscites – you don’t care about democracy, minority rights or freedom from oppression – you want the “special” label. Fine, you’re special. In more ways than one.

You're a real lost cause. Mustang.
You still don't get it.
We don't need a "special-special" status, we need NO status in Canada. We only need our own country. Our goal is not to destroy Canada, our goal is to build our own country.
Quebec only represents about 25% of the votes in Canada. If the ROC is so fed-up with Quebec, why don't you all vote, in a democratic referendum, to let Quebec go???

Actually, I do get it. You? Not so much. Want to put it to a binding plebiscite? Absolutely! Canada will have a national referendum and we’ll decide whether to partition Quebec or not. And guess what? You won’t be left with any geography that was ceded to you by Britain. You’ won’t get you bullshit sovereignty-association either. You’ll get your portion of the debt; you won’t get our currency and good luck getting with your piss poor economy. Let’s go for it!

If your partition Québec, MPQ will be here to teach you, men..
Dont fucj with this, all the english communauty In Block Montreal will be bash fo this.

Mustang: Tell me why Canada would not let Quebec use the Canadian currency. Do you have any idea of the consequences for the Canadian currency to loose 25% of its economy overnight? Economically, Canada would be in real poor shape with an immediate 25% write down of its currency value on the world market..
25% of the debt to go to Quebec?. I don't have a major problem with this as long as 25% of the Canadian assets comes with it. This could the form of federal buildings and infrastructures in Quebec, the Quebec portion of the St. Laurence seaway, national parks, ports and airports located in Quebec. In accounting 101, when debt/assets are in balance, it does not influence a balnce sheet.
As far as our local economy goes, Quebec's economy would still be in 16th place in the ranking of all OECD countries, ahead of Austria, Sweeden, Switzerland, Denmark, Norway, which are not part of my definition of "third world economies"

Why shouldn’t Quebec (assuming it has another referenda and it passes, although this invariably begs the question: why should we honour the results after separatists have ignored the 2 previous) take our currency? Duh – it’s Canada’s currency and not Quebec’s – you leave and that’s it. It’s a clean break – you don’t get to mooch off our economic stability. Have fun on the global currency markets!

Secondly, show me how you arrived at the percentage of 25% for Quebec’s economic representation. According to the federal government, Ontario represents 42% of Canada’s total economy, so I’d like to see where this number (25%) came from. Moreover, if you think that the post succession standard of living in Quebec would be anywhere what it is as a member of Canadian confederation than you are more naïve than I originally thought. It will plummet (in addition to the economic turmoil) and you can forget your OCED rankings (which you erroneously projected would maintain their current level) because that will undoubtedly fall (current numbers are based on a Quebec that is IN Canada – if you leave, it will be significantly worse) as your financial crisis deepens.

Want to give it a go? Have fun! Problem is that I don’t think the majority of your province is persuaded by your over simplistic political/economic forecasts and you'll receive yet another defeat in yet another plebiscite. Keep trying though; I suppose it gives you some form of purpose.

Okay gentlemen it is really plain and simple beyond all belief. Quebec needs Canada as much as Canada needs Quebec. The seperatists can talk all they want about moving out but the truth is it ain't going to happen anytime soon. Things have gotten a lot better between the feds and the people of Quebec so the issue really is not the poigant at this point anyway.

Quebec created these parties for a reason and that was to protect their hertiage from disappearing and it was needed because Quebec helps make up what we consider Canada today. Language laws are there to protect what is in Quebec's best interests and to make sure that they are not assimilated into something like what happens South of the border. So you two can shout, scream until you are both about to pass out but the real truth is that if either party actually goes through with this we are both screwed. Both economies are not going to stand-up to the fact that investors will dump the Canadian dollar faster then a ticked off rattlesnake, which will leave us in a position that is not that great. So if you really want to talk about something that is relevant to this issue how about figuring out a way to prevent it from happening in the first place because I have no great desire to see my country fall to pieces over a stupid debate that can be fixed really easily.

Bonjour cher amis canadiens. Je m'excuse à l'avance si j'écris en francais et que vous ne comprennez pas tous, mais je crois bien que on est dans un pays bilingue et on se doit tous d'apprendre la langue seconde de notre si merveilleux pays que le canada. Si plusieurs québecois (donc moi) veulent se séparer du reste du canada, se n'est pas juste parce que nous sommes des êtres sans ouverture d'esprit qui veut s'isoler pour ne pas perdre notre langue. Au contraire, si on veut se séparé c'est plutot pour une ouverture face au autre pays. On veut que le monde nous connaisse et nous reconnaisse comme peuple. De plus on veut diriger les choses de notre facons et non comme celle du canada. Si le canada aurait une vision plus comme celle des québécois, cela ferais longtemps que le NPD aurait rentré au pouvoir, et en restant dans le canada la vision québécoise ne pouras pas avant longtemps et longtemps etre pris en considération. Nous (les québecois)ne sommes pas tous des gens qui deteste le canada, le canada est un très beau pays. Peut-etre(surement) un des meilleurs au monde, mais ce pays n'est pas le notre et nous permets pas de nous develloper comme on le voudrait. De plus, pour le vouloir d'etre souverainiste, il y a plusieur irritation que le gouvernement fédéral nous fait depuis plusieurs années et on sent discriminer face au canadien anglais (pas tous mais plusieurs)

At what point do separatists just give up? They don’t want a discussion; they merely want a forum to propagate their rhetoric. This isn’t the place. You are free to espouse whatever moronic political message you desire, but why not do it somewhere else? Isn’t there a pro-separatist forum where you can be among allies and dilute one another into believing the sovereignty-association dream is still alive?

I don’t go to your forums and pick fights. I don’t go to separatist sites and drone on about how wonderful Canada is and how separatists are bigoted nationalists that only want an autonomous political entity so they can “safeguard” their dying culture at the expense of minorities. Why? Because it smacks of baiting and rhetoric spewing. It’s not productive and it invariably ends in a draw. And yet they come here. At least we know their motivation and it’s not genuine.