Canada Kicks Ass
Saskatchewan Becomes a Have Province

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PJB @ Fri Jun 10, 2005 9:32 am

Donnie..I like Saskatchewan. It is a beautiful province but under a government that would rather set up a crown corporation to go into direct competition with independant businesses rather than have any balls to encourage independant business growth does not provide much of an incentive for people to move here. Too many part time jobs with no benefits and a rather destructive taxation system doesn't look all that great.

My neice is her own person who made her own decisions. No one told her what to do.

Hopefully the latest government plan to attempt to increase cattle processing will help out this province but there is a lot more potential here that has not been tapped into.

   



Donny_Brasco @ Fri Jun 10, 2005 10:13 am

PJB PJB:
Donnie..I like Saskatchewan. It is a beautiful province but under a government that would rather set up a crown corporation to go into direct competition with independant businesses rather than have any balls to encourage independant business .


So you saying you'd rather pay $6000 a year for car insurance then the $1000 you are paying now?

Or maybe what we should do is sell off our energy crowns. Its not like a private energy company would ever try to screw its customers. (Note the sarcasam i.e. Enron and the California crisis).

Or maybe we should let our phone company go and let the profits from our phone services go to some rich folks on their yaghts in the caribean instead of back into our economy to pay for roads and schools.

We have lots of businesses in this province and lots of people willing to pay their fair share to do business here. The PC's have their shot at running the province at every election. If me and the % of voters who like what the NDP do keep voting them into power then I guess that is what the people want, dispite your free market retoric.

Saskatchewan is Social Democracy at its best. Lets keep it that way.

   



ziggy @ Fri Jun 10, 2005 10:17 am

BurytheNDPforgood BurytheNDPforgood:
$1:
The "have" provinces are Ontario and oil-rich Alberta


Before long it will be Alberta AND BC that are resource rich. We are very resource rich here and we have only just been getting started this past 4 years under the BC Libs. And we have a major port.

Have a little think about that the next time you are on the crapper. :lol: :wink:


Us Albertans will get to your gas fields,just give us a bit ok?
Were not done yet here. :wink:

First you need some rigs(were not giving any up yet)and they cant build or buy them fast enough here either,most will stay on the prarie where it's easy to slap up a rig and start drilling a known field. Plus its cheaper to find gas where there's allready pipelines running close by to tie in with.
As long as the price of gas is high they will bang in as many good producers as possible before going into the tough country.

Once your gas industry gets going it will just get bigger and bigger. The industry really does just feed on itself,just lacking rigs and people right now. About 70% of the people I work with are from down east,20% from Saskatchewan,and 10% from Alberta,all here laying pipe.

Get ready for the ride though,if your not the school type then get your "B" pressure welding ticket and make a hundred grand a year.
Work for 5 and retire for awhile. :wink:
Or work for 1 and party for a year. 8O

   



Donny_Brasco @ Fri Jun 10, 2005 10:31 am

$1:
Equalization payments are cash transfer payments by the federal government of Canada to less wealthy Canadian provinces to equalize the provinces' "fiscal capacity" or their ability to deliver government services. In political science and economics, a transfer payment is a payment of money from a government to an individual, a group or another order of government for which nothing is directly required in return. ... Canada consists of ten provinces and three territories. ...

Contrary to popular belief, it does not redistribute wealth from richer provinces to poorer ones, since money for equalization payments comes from general federal government funds. Rather, as with every federal program, it is paid for most by the individual Canadian taxpayers who pay the most taxes, whatever their province of residence. Ontario and Alberta are the only provinces that do not receive equalization payments, but as discussed, the money for equalization payments to the other provinces is not somehow taken from their treasuries. Motto: Ut Incepit Fidelis Sic Permanet (Loyal she began, loyal she remains) Other Canadian provinces and territories Capital Toronto Largest city Toronto Lieutenant Governor James K. Bartleman Premier Dalton McGuinty (Liberal) Area 1,076,395 km² (4th) - Land 917,741 km² - Water 158,654 km² (14. ... Motto: Fortis et Liber (Strong and free) Other Canadian provinces and territories Capital Edmonton Largest city Calgary Lieutenant Governor Norman Kwong Premier Ralph Klein (PC) Area 661,848 km² (6th) - Land 642,317 km² - Water 19,531 km² (2. ...

Some economists have suggested that Saskatchewan and British Columbia will join the ranks of the "have" provinces (i.e., those provinces that do not receive equalization payments) in 2005. Motto: Multis E Gentibus Vires (From many peoples, strength) Other Canadian provinces and territories Capital Regina Largest city Saskatoon Lieutenant Governor Lynda M. Haverstock Premier Lorne Calvert (NDP) Area 651,036 km² (7th) - Land 591,670 km² - Water 59,366 km² (9. ... Motto: Splendor Sine Occasu (Splendour without diminishment) Other Canadian provinces and territories Capital Victoria Largest city Vancouver Lieutenant Governor Iona Campagnolo Premier Gordon Campbell (BC Liberal) Area 944,735 km² (5th) - Land 925,186 km² - Water 19,549 km² (2. ...

Unlike conditional transfer payments such as the Canada Health and Social Transfer, the money the provinces receive through equalization can be spent in any way the provincial government desires. The payments help guarantee equal levels of health care, education, and welfare in all the provinces. The Canada Health and Social Transfer (CHST) was a system of block transfer payments from the Canadian federal government to provincial governments to pay for health care, post_secondary education and welfare, in place from the 1996-97 fiscal year until the 2004-05 fiscal year. ... Health care or healthcare is the delivery of medical services by specialist providers, such as midwives, doctors, nurses, home health aides, vaccination technicians and physicians assistants. ... Welfare has four main meanings. ...

Today the total amount of the program is around 10 billion Canadian dollars per year. The Canadian dollar, CAD or C$, is the unit of currency of Canada. ...


Saskatchewan has become a "HAVE".

And I'd like to add that I have not see any information stating that BC has become a "HAVE" province. Perhaps you enlightened BC residents can provide some facts to back up your claims.

Any takers - NDPforgood/Twister/Ziggy ???

   



ziggy @ Fri Jun 10, 2005 10:35 am

I never said BC was a have province,it could be fairly soon and I'm not from BC. Too expensive there. 8O

Transfer payments here.

Who gets what

   



BurytheNDPforgood @ Fri Jun 10, 2005 10:41 am

Why don't you check out the BC Election thread on here.

Plenty of discussion around BCs prosperity in there.

You're a tad in denial, me thinks :roll:

   



Donny_Brasco @ Fri Jun 10, 2005 10:47 am

BurytheNDPforgood BurytheNDPforgood:
Why don't you check out the BC Election thread on here.

Plenty of discussion around BCs prosperity in there.

You're a tad in denial, me thinks :roll:


Ah, no facts to back up your claim. Just as I suspected.

   



Knoss @ Sat Jun 11, 2005 8:25 pm

Fair enough Donny, what about the ethanol plant? Construction may never begin. And if ethanol is so viable why don't they just set up back home in Colorado? What about Spudco? It was a complete failure.

Quite your nonsense about the underpaid workers, discuss it with your boss or through your union. Workers are on the open market same as anything else, if you want more money try and make yourself more valuable or take blessing in what you have.

You asked about grain prices that is a very good example of the fault in socialist philosophy. The CWB was developed to take the risk out of farming, with great success. But risk takes away opportunity for profit. Insurance costs money, you pay a fee every month and your safe, but you never make money, at best your paid enough to repair or replace what was insured. Inversely the insurance company your pay receives a nice pile of money, but they always run the risk of you making a claim, they cover the wrong thing during the wrong disaster and their bankrupt.

If your take out risk your take out any opportunity for profit. to quote a local farmer "Breaking even for thirty years is not an option." Government policy has destroyed that grain industry in this country. We MUST change to compete.

The cattle industry has had less subsidisation then any other part of agriculture and has never been under supply management, alas the BSE disaster has caused a panic rather then take advantage and replace depreciated cattle, they have asked for government assistance. Now well over a years and a half after the crisis has ended and a market better then that of 1997 is in place the desire for subsidisation is leading down a dangerous path of bureaucracy and breakeven.

Sometimes we should do nothing, now is one of those times.

   



Bigboy @ Sun Jun 12, 2005 12:53 am

http://www.fin.gov.bc.ca/pubs.htm

I'm not gonna waste my time posting facts, BC is way better place to live and has alot of resources that we dont exploit if we wanted to wreck are tourism industry we could be way ahead of Saskatchewan (i'm sure we are)

   



Knoss @ Sun Jun 12, 2005 9:00 am

I agree with PBJ . What we need is major tax reform.

Here is what I suggest:

All provincial expences covered by the provincial government. Privatise healthcare, itroduce a charter forbiding any subsidisation and place educatiaon under provincial taxation not RM mill rates. Repell income, liqor, gas and sales tax. Divide the provinces expendatures by the population and send each citizen a bill, if they fail they are not reqognized as a citizen of Saskatchewan and lose their right to vote and must pay for the use of services such as police, fire, etc.

   



Donny_Brasco @ Mon Jun 13, 2005 5:13 pm

Knoss Knoss:
Fair enough Donny, what about the ethanol plant? Construction may never begin. And if ethanol is so viable why don't they just set up back home in Colorado? What about Spudco? It was a complete failure.

Quite your nonsense about the underpaid workers, discuss it with your boss or through your union. Workers are on the open market same as anything else, if you want more money try and make yourself more valuable or take blessing in what you have.

You asked about grain prices that is a very good example of the fault in socialist philosophy. The CWB was developed to take the risk out of farming, with great success. But risk takes away opportunity for profit. Insurance costs money, you pay a fee every month and your safe, but you never make money, at best your paid enough to repair or replace what was insured. Inversely the insurance company your pay receives a nice pile of money, but they always run the risk of you making a claim, they cover the wrong thing during the wrong disaster and their bankrupt.

If your take out risk your take out any opportunity for profit. to quote a local farmer "Breaking even for thirty years is not an option." Government policy has destroyed that grain industry in this country. We MUST change to compete.

The cattle industry has had less subsidisation then any other part of agriculture and has never been under supply management, alas the BSE disaster has caused a panic rather then take advantage and replace depreciated cattle, they have asked for government assistance. Now well over a years and a half after the crisis has ended and a market better then that of 1997 is in place the desire for subsidisation is leading down a dangerous path of bureaucracy and breakeven.

Sometimes we should do nothing, now is one of those times.


Ah, a true conservative statement. If you do nothing you never risk failure. the only time people fail is when they step up to the plate and put their asses on the line. So either vote for the "DO NOTHIng" Saskatchewan party, o vote for people who are wiling to walk the walk. Its funny, I don't recall the Sask party evrwinning an election. Do you?

   



Knoss @ Mon Jun 13, 2005 5:53 pm

"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer."

Ben Franklin, 1766

   



db108108 @ Mon Jun 13, 2005 11:54 pm

I'll back a bet that next it will be BC and then NS. Okay, NS may be in 5 to 10 years or so, but we're slowly getting there. The unemployment rate is now under 8%, under 7% if you exclude Cape Breton. It'll be a few years yet, but soon, the good people of NS will get to pay their fair share to Quebec too.

   



MustangJay @ Tue Jun 14, 2005 9:46 am

I remain very skeptical of this thread. What does a "have" provence mean to you? As far as I'm concerned, Saskatchewan is still dependent on government assistance, but is (and never was) one of the larger thieves in canada *caugh* Quebec, Nova Scotia, New Brunswick *caugh* I am just curious as to how Saskatchewan intends to grow any industry when the provence has a negative population growth. ?? Secondly, although oil is a valuable commodity, why is the government NOW putting such an emphasis on growing this industry when other countries around the world are working to diversify AWAY from oil in their economies? Does anybody here think Canada is becoming too dependent on oil? Do we run the risk of, in a few decades, ending up back at square one? Just a thought.

J

   



Donny_Brasco @ Thu Jun 16, 2005 8:41 pm

MustangJay MustangJay:
Secondly, although oil is a valuable commodity, why is the government NOW putting such an emphasis on growing this industry when other countries around the world are working to diversify AWAY from oil in their economies? Does anybody here think Canada is becoming too dependent on oil? Do we run the risk of, in a few decades, ending up back at square one? Just a thought.

J


DrDoLittle DrDoLittle:
Known oil reserves are greater now than at any time in history. Besides oil is now known to be a renewable resource, although many are not aware of this and still believe that oil comes from decaying dinasours.


TheUSofA1776 TheUSofA1776:

You're a moron if you don't understand that the creation of oil is an ongoing geological cycle...


Apparently these experts figure we are going to be ok. We'll be able to drive our SUV's, we might not be able to breath, but we'll be able to drive.

   



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