Canada Kicks Ass
Sea Level Falling at Canadian ports.

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biopiracy @ Tue Jul 17, 2007 1:11 pm

"Sea Level Falling," Canadian ports at risk, those glaciers can't melt quick enough.

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SAINT JOHN
LAST DECADE AVERAGE
4.43

AVERAGE FOR ALL YEARS
4.47

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Funny, the CBC missed that with all the tax dollars we invest in them.

Or is the Dept of fisheries and oceans bought by big oil.


PS if I'm in the pockets of big oil when do I get my money? I wait and wait, still no darn money.

   



scarecrowe @ Tue Jul 17, 2007 2:00 pm

Scientists studying polar ice in Antarctica have demonstrated that the earth has not been this warm as it is today since 140,000 years ago. Was there an industrial revolution on 140,000 years ago that we are unaware of? Were there billions of humans on the planet at that time? Was open-air cooking over campfires the problem? Was hamburger consumption an issue then?

Hmmm, the wool being pulled over my eyes is getting ... itchy. Scratch that thought.

   



sasquatch2 @ Tue Jul 17, 2007 2:15 pm

BUT BUT BUT......

SUZUKI and the GORICLE said sea level was rising...Pacific Islands were flooding.....Antarctica was melting...........

HOCKEY PUCKS.......... :roll:

   



Wada @ Tue Jul 17, 2007 2:38 pm

I'm not just sure how they take their measurements. Is it at all possible that Newfoundland is rising? :?

   



RUEZ @ Tue Jul 17, 2007 2:45 pm

Wada Wada:
I'm not just sure how they take their measurements. Is it at all possible that Newfoundland is rising? :?
Mayhaps, with all the people that have left it's probably lighter.

   



BartSimpson @ Tue Jul 17, 2007 2:49 pm

Victoria and Vancouver both have relative sea level declining due to that BC is still recovering from the last ice age and the land is still rising in the absence of the weight of the ice sheets.

   



BartSimpson @ Tue Jul 17, 2007 2:50 pm

scarecrowe scarecrowe:
Scientists studying ploar ice in Antarctica have demonstrated that the earth has not been this warm as it is today since 140,000 years ago. Was there an industrial revolution on 140,000 years ago that we are unaware of? Were there billions of humans on the planet at that time? Was open-air cooking over campfires the problem? Was hamburger consumption an issue then?

Hmmm, the wool being pulled over my eyes is getting ... itchy. Scratch that thought.


The earth was warmer just 1,000 years ago.

   



sasquatch2 @ Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:18 pm

Bart Simpson

$1:
Victoria and Vancouver both have relative sea level declining due to that BC is still recovering from the last ice age and the land is still rising in the absence of the weight of the ice sheets.


Yeah. But admitting that will prove rule 76 of the rules of aquisition...no good deed goes unpunished.

A few years back we had a 2.5 thumper centered under Lake Erie. Rebound from the Laurentian Ice Sheet. The Rev likely thinks that was the only one.....the patrician, Keewatin, and Cordillera are greek to him.

Sort odd that Churchill showed the same value and same trend, although it is damn near sitting on the originating center of the Keewatin sheet.......the possible rate of rebound would be expected to be much, much faster, and higher.

A buddy in Scotland, told me archiologists, investigating an old midden of shells, discovered an early Holocene village, on the bluffs near his home....and the contemperary beach.....now several hundred feet above the high water mark.........

   



hurley_108 @ Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:21 pm

BartSimpson BartSimpson:
scarecrowe scarecrowe:
Scientists studying ploar ice in Antarctica have demonstrated that the earth has not been this warm as it is today since 140,000 years ago. Was there an industrial revolution on 140,000 years ago that we are unaware of? Were there billions of humans on the planet at that time? Was open-air cooking over campfires the problem? Was hamburger consumption an issue then?

Hmmm, the wool being pulled over my eyes is getting ... itchy. Scratch that thought.


The earth was warmer just 1,000 years ago.


Nope:

Image

Note that the 2004 temperature is almost half a degree higher than the highest estimate of the peak of the MWP.

Note also that this is the chart you said yesterday was a good one for historical temperatures.

   



sasquatch2 @ Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:33 pm

Yeah! So howcum the brits can't grow grapes where they did in the RW or MWP yet? That's a valid proxie.

Oh well we are making progress. At least the IPCC now admits the MWP existed. They at first denied it totally then grudgingly dismissed it as a very limited regional phenominum (limited to Greenland).

Michael Mann's assistant admitted the "hockey stick" resulted from an email from the IPCC:

"...somehow we must make the MWP disappear......"

It worked. Mann got appointed as a lead author for the IPCC.... a notable achievement for a young man with little or no credentials.

BTW: his logarithym produces hockeys sticks regardless the values of inputs.

:roll:

   



Zipperfish @ Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:12 pm

sasquatch2 sasquatch2:
Yeah! So howcum the brits can't grow grapes where they did in the RW or MWP yet? That's a valid proxie.

Oh well we are making progress. At least the IPCC now admits the MWP existed. They at first denied it totally then grudgingly dismissed it as a very limited regional phenominum (limited to Greenland).

Michael Mann's assistant admitted the "hockey stick" resulted from an email from the IPCC:

"...somehow we must make the MWP disappear......"

It worked. Mann got appointed as a lead author for the IPCC.... a notable achievement for a young man with little or no credentials.

BTW: his logarithym produces hockeys sticks regardless the values of inputs.

:roll:



As for grapes growing in England, NEWSFLASH.

As for Mann's hockey stick--there were errors. These errors were detected by two Canadians who published a paper on the matter. This is exactly how science is supposed to work. (Mann and the Canadians have since been duking it out in a most unscientific pissing match--they're just making themselves look silly, really.)

I believe that the corrected graph shows that it is possible, though unlikely, that the MWP was warmer than now. But this is hardly a stake in the heart of the theory of AGW.

   



BartSimpson @ Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:25 pm

It isn't a stake in the heart of AGW, but it does take some of the thunder away by noting that it has in recent history been warmer on this planet than it is right now.

   



BartSimpson @ Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:29 pm

And 2007 is shaping up as one of the coolest years on record for Northern California.

April was the coolest April since 1894.

May was the coolest May since 1933.

June was the coolest June since 1912.

And July so far is the coolest July since 1889.

I might add that the weather has been abso-freaking-tabulous!!! :D

I wish it were like this every year!

   



Seagram @ Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:41 pm

Non will argue that the ice is melting and in some cases whole lakes have disappeared. What I find funny is with all this extra water on the go how can sea levels be dropping? Is it because ice is more dense? I have no clue but I sure would love ot know where all this melting ice is off to.

   



sasquatch2 @ Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:01 pm

Seagram

$1:
Non will argue that the ice is melting


Only the rocks in your Crown Royal.

Antarctica has been chilling off for about 35 years. The experts excuse for the Ozone hole getting bigger, despite the many years of banned CFCs is because of the cold weather......

They predict the Arctic will develope a hole as well, due to the secret (IPCC concealed) current Arctic chilling.

The Antarctic and Greenland Icecaps are growing thicker-----GORE LIES.

   



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