Canada Kicks Ass
The Characterization of Harper

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DanSC @ Wed Jun 08, 2011 12:39 pm

Taseko Taseko:
redhatmamma redhatmamma:

after this budget I just wish he were more conservative.


What would be more conservative?

Well, he could repeal universal healthcare, cease all peacekeeping operations, institute an apartait social system, institute an Isle of Man-style tax code, and then annex Greenland and Alaska for good measure. That would be decidedly more conservative.

   



martin14 @ Wed Jun 08, 2011 12:44 pm

DanSC DanSC:
Taseko Taseko:
What would be more conservative?

Well, he could repeal universal healthcare, cease all peacekeeping operations, institute an apartait social system, institute an Isle of Man-style tax code, and then annex Greenland and Alaska for good measure. That would be decidedly more conservative.



and the kittens, dont forget the open season on the kittens.

   



Unsound @ Wed Jun 08, 2011 12:48 pm

martin14 martin14:
DanSC DanSC:
Taseko Taseko:
What would be more conservative?

Well, he could repeal universal healthcare, cease all peacekeeping operations, institute an apartait social system, institute an Isle of Man-style tax code, and then annex Greenland and Alaska for good measure. That would be decidedly more conservative.



and the kittens, dont forget the open season on the kittens.

Shows how out of touch you are. Those of us on the "hidden agenda" mailing list have been "taking care of" the kittens under cover of night for years now.

   



DanSC @ Wed Jun 08, 2011 12:49 pm

martin14 martin14:
DanSC DanSC:
Taseko Taseko:
What would be more conservative?

Well, he could repeal universal healthcare, cease all peacekeeping operations, institute an apartait social system, institute an Isle of Man-style tax code, and then annex Greenland and Alaska for good measure. That would be decidedly more conservative.



and the kittens, dont forget the open season on the kittens.

I think the seal clubbing is enough for now XD Sorry that one was too easy :)

   



BartSimpson @ Wed Jun 08, 2011 1:34 pm

DanSC DanSC:
Taseko Taseko:
What would be more conservative?

Well, (Harper) could repeal universal healthcare, cease all peacekeeping operations, institute an apartait social system, institute an Isle of Man-style tax code, and then annex Greenland and Alaska for good measure. That would be decidedly more conservative.


Dan, a few things:

1. Canada no longer has universal health care. People now have the right to private healthcare if they want to pay for it.

2. Peacekeeping in Canada is not really a partisan issue. How it's carried out may be, but peacekeeping itself to my experience is become a Canadian institution of its own.

3. Apartheid is not a conservative value. It's the left in Quebec that most closely supports a form of apartheid in Canada.

4. While the Isle of Man's tax cap is quite conservative, their idea of a unitary (worldwide) tax is not.

5. Annexing Greenland means war with Denmark whose military is roughly on par with the CF (with both having superiority over the other in various ways but, on average, being roughly on par with each other). There's also the question of what would be gained by annexing a territory that operates at a net loss to Denmark. Maybe if they ask nicely the Danes might just give it to them. :wink:

6. Annexing Alaska? I've no doubt Mr. Harper noticed the US killing a guy in one of the world's most heavily equipped anti-air zones. In any case, after the US utterly defeats Canada in any failed attempt to seize Alaska the first thing we'll do is make them keep Quebec. :mrgreen:

   



DanSC @ Wed Jun 08, 2011 1:40 pm

BartSimpson BartSimpson:
DanSC DanSC:
Taseko Taseko:
What would be more conservative?

Well, (Harper) could repeal universal healthcare, cease all peacekeeping operations, institute an apartait social system, institute an Isle of Man-style tax code, and then annex Greenland and Alaska for good measure. That would be decidedly more conservative.


Dan, a few things:

1. Canada no longer has universal health care. People now have the right to private healthcare if they want to pay for it.

2. Peacekeeping in Canada is not really a partisan issue. How it's carried out may be, but peacekeeping itself to my experience is become a Canadian institution of its own.

3. Apartheid is not a conservative value. It's the left in Quebec that most closely supports a form of apartheid in Canada.

4. While the Isle of Man's tax cap is quite conservative, their idea of a unitary (worldwide) tax is not.

5. Annexing Greenland means war with Denmark whose military is roughly on par with the CF (with both having superiority over the other in various ways but, on average, being roughly on par with each other). There's also the question of what would be gained by annexing a territory that operates at a net loss to Denmark. Maybe if they ask nicely the Danes might just give it to them. :wink:

6. Annexing Alaska? I've no doubt Mr. Harper noticed the US killing a guy in one of the world's most heavily equipped anti-air zones. In any case, after the US utterly defeats Canada in any failed attempt to seize Alaska the first thing we'll do is make them keep Quebec. :mrgreen:

Don't worry Bart. I was just throwing out what Mr. Taseko's idea of conservatism is.

   



bootlegga @ Wed Jun 08, 2011 2:06 pm

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
Take a look at some of the characterizations of current Liberal leader Bob Rae on these boards. There's always folks that take it personally.


I dunno about that. 10 million Ontarians can't be wrong..can they? :lol:


At the same time, the 8 million or so Canadians who didn't vote for Harper could used for the exact same argument! :lol:

   



Lemmy @ Wed Jun 08, 2011 2:07 pm

BartSimpson BartSimpson:
1. Canada no longer has universal health care. People now have the right to private healthcare if they want to pay for it.

We still have universal healthcare and we've always had the right to pay for private healthcare if we choose it.

BartSimpson BartSimpson:
6. Annexing Alaska? I've no doubt Mr. Harper noticed the US killing a guy in one of the world's most heavily equipped anti-air zones. In any case, after the US utterly defeats Canada in any failed attempt to seize Alaska the first thing we'll do is make them keep Quebec.

Don't be so sure of that. Canada's never lost a war. The USA's record isn't quite so good. :mrgreen:

   



Taseko @ Wed Jun 08, 2011 2:11 pm

I copied this, but damn it's true!

If a liberal likes guns, they buy one and go to a shooting range.
If a conservative likes guns, they pass laws making them available in national parks.

If a liberal sees a threat, they look at all aspects of removing it.
If a conservative sees a foreign threat, they invade the neighboring country.

If a liberal is homosexual, they live their life honestly.
If a conservative is homosexual, they marry heterosexually and then get arrested for visiting gay prostitutes.

If a black man or Hispanic is liberal, they're identical to every other race.
If a black man or Hispanic is conservative, they get used as a poster child by Fox News for people who don't like Obama.

If a liberal is down-and-out, they try and work their way out of the situation while taking what aid they can.
If a conservative is down-and-out, they say it's because Obama taxed them too much.

If a liberal doesn't like a talk show host, they point out the absurdity of their statements.
If a conservative doesn’t like a talk show host, he shouts over them.

If a liberal is a non-believer, he's accused of child sacrifice.
If a conservative is a non-believer, he still goes to church.

If a liberal needs health care, he fights for reform in the health care industry.
If a conservative decides he needs health care, he gets denied because of a preexisting condition.

   



DanSC @ Wed Jun 08, 2011 2:24 pm

Lemmy Lemmy:
Canada's never lost a war. The USA's record isn't quite so good. :mrgreen:

Just wait until Canada is as old as the USA. We all collect undesirable artifacts of old age :wink:

   



bootlegga @ Wed Jun 08, 2011 2:26 pm

Khar Khar:
Originally, I was going to make this a poll, but was concerned that there would be votes before reading the thread, that the intent of this thread might be skewed and that I would miss out major reasons for what I am about to ask. Besides, it's a sticking point and I think it needs more discussing than voting.

Generally, for those who are on the left and for those who did not vote for the Conservatives, what is with the characterizations of Harper trending towards the hyperbolic? I am loathe to reveal who I voted for (since that would colour my posts unnecessarily for the next four years), but, as a person who was stuck on the fence between voting for the left and voting for the right, I just never got the terminology.

What I am talking about is the comparisons of Harper to a nazi, Mugabe, various Islamic dictators, and so forth. This seems incredibly out of line and horribly disrespectful, above and beyond where Harper went. Especially since back in 2004, we began hearing about how "American" Harper was. While I do not agree with many of Harper's personal opinions and some of the moves his governments have made, I have never had reason to call him a dictator (any more than other Canadian leaders), compare him to an infamous slaughterer of their own people, and so forth.

During the election (and previous to it) I remember hearing a lot about attack advertisements and mars on Ignatieff's character as a result. Mostly, they called him an American, and said he had little interest in staying. Is this a response to that?

Why is this done? I know attack ads have demonstrated that repeated negative inference of something will catch on, but there seems to be a difference between attacks ads and broad cultural acceptance of calling someone a hater of the Jews, slaughterer of homosexuals and user of an iron fist on other nations on the basis of racial superiority (which could apply to several dictators).

Such a gross exaggeration seems to be counter-productive. It seems alarmist, draconian, confrontational and absolute. More than many other defamatory comments out there, either from Conservatives and Liberals, it seems to be a conversation stopper, as Jon Stewart would put it, and I remember him making such references to similar actions on the right and the left.

I certainly understand both sides making such comments... but the creation and perseverence of this particular brand based on Harper and how it came to be has eluded me. I can see how some can percieve Harper as having done questionable things, but I cannot percieve how it lead him to some of his more colourful comparisons to foreign dignitaries and historical figures.

I remember Trudeau had some of this, but I don't remember anyone ever calling him Stalin, Mao, or "The Great Father." Unless I missed it. Which is possible. I've heard Cretien and Trudeau called dictators in their own times, but never to the same degree as now... and never with the apparent lack of connections as I see now, although lacking the internet may have been the cause of that. The hidden agenda and all... I simply never figured out where it came from. Can someone guide me?

I don't mean to cause an argument (no doubt this will cause one, so I do ask that comments be taken with a ton of salt, please!), but I feel I have missed out on a massive part of the puzzle and am lacking because of it. At the very least, the people I talk with on here sometimes have that stance and if I don't understand the origins of the stance, I won't be able to respond as well as I could, I think.


Personally, I've never liked Harper, and though he claims to be a centrist, his past views on issues like health care, the social safety net, separatism, etc concern me too much to vote for him.

IMHO, his bully tactics the past five years in minority, his changing in press releases from Government of Canada to "the Harper government", etc reinforce the notion that he really hasn't changed one iota.

Oh, on the surface, he's publicly changed his views of this "northern European welfare state", but like many I fear now that he has a majority, he'll change the country in ways past conservative parties never did. Ultimately, the question is how much the party base out West will sway his decision making. If he lets them go too far, he'll be out on his ass in four years. Frankly, I think he's smarter than that, but given his past history, I honestly don't know.

BTW I don't know if anyone publicly equated Trudeau with Mao or Stalin (or anyone similar), but it happens fairly often on internet forums these days.

   



BartSimpson @ Wed Jun 08, 2011 2:32 pm

Lemmy Lemmy:
Don't be so sure of that. Canada's never lost a war. The USA's record isn't quite so good. :mrgreen:


I don't care if you people burn us down into the Stone Age, we're NEVER going to take Quebec! PDT_Armataz_01_35






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BartSimpson @ Wed Jun 08, 2011 2:33 pm

Taseko Taseko:
I have an irrational and jingoistic hatred of all things I don't adamantly support.


I agree.

   



Unsound @ Wed Jun 08, 2011 2:36 pm

BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Lemmy Lemmy:
Don't be so sure of that. Canada's never lost a war. The USA's record isn't quite so good. :mrgreen:


I don't care if you people burn us down into the Stone Age, we're NEVER going to take Quebec! PDT_Armataz_01_35






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What if we tell you there's oil there? ;)

   



DanSC @ Wed Jun 08, 2011 2:43 pm

Unsound Unsound:
What if we tell you there's oil there? ;)

That won't help. Lately, after we invade a nation with rich oil reserves, we have a nasty habit of returning the nation to its people. One would think that since the USA was once part of the British Empire, we'd understand the concept of conquest, but we just seem to be silly Americans again :D

   



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