Toronto's never ending push to ban hand guns
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fifeboy @ Sun Feb 03, 2008 9:13 am
sasquatch2 sasquatch2:
Sask 0.041 per 1,000 people
North Dakota: 0.011 per 1,000 people
Montana: 0.019 per 1,000 people
Sorta funny how some stone markers and an imaginary line on the map change things.
Comparing Saskatchewan with it's bordering states North Dakota and Montana.
I recall some review of recent US homocide stats, revealed that overseas military combat deaths were included.....this would indicate the frustration of having to cease quoting old stats.
Comparing murder rates per 1000 is not a really meaningful guage as this ignores societal factors such as Saskatychewan's sizable aboriginal population. In evaluating the effectiveness of such measures such as CC, it is more useful to compare before and after stats to guage any effect.
North Dakota: 0.011 per 1,000 people
Montana: 0.019 per 1,000 people
Sorta funny how some stone markers and an imaginary line on the map change things.
Comparing Saskatchewan with it's bordering states North Dakota and Montana.
I recall some review of recent US homocide stats, revealed that overseas military combat deaths were included.....this would indicate the frustration of having to cease quoting old stats.
Comparing murder rates per 1000 is not a really meaningful guage as this ignores societal factors such as Saskatychewan's sizable aboriginal population. In evaluating the effectiveness of such measures such as CC, it is more useful to compare before and after stats to guage any effect.
It's like teaching grade 7 again, I gotta keep repeating myself over and over again. North Dakota and Saskatchewan--well, North Dakota is a very nice place. Why it has far fewer murders then Saskatchewan I don't know and the reason should be investigated. Makes more sense than giving everyone in Saskatchewan a handgun to carry in their britches. The stats for the U.S. I gave you were from 2005 in Shall Carry states. As you can see they are not bunched up at the bottom of the list (by the way, D.C. and Porta Rico were at the top, neither Shall Carry places.) Even if they were all at the bottom of the list, the situation is not that good (except in a states like North Dakota, etc.)I don't know for sure, but I suspect they held near the same place before the Shall Carry laws. If there has been a vast improvement, than Louisana must have been a hellish place before the change in law, it ain't doin so well now with the law!
sasquatch2 @ Sun Feb 03, 2008 11:54 am
Yeah I get the impression you are autistic....
I will repeat myself..........
Anti-gun folks are divided into two groups.
Irrational opponents have a visceral aversion to guns. It may, perhaps, be modified by hypnosis or psychotheraphy but not by evidence or argument.
Rational opponents have no phobias as such, but they have a political agenda. They are also unaffected by evidence or argument. In fact they have created an industry of misinformation and promotion of urban myths. They recoil from seeing weapons---symbols of individual sovereignty---in the hands of private citizens. It interferes with their ideal of power that, in their view, ought to belong exclusively to the state. Perhaps such people have a phobia, after all: a phobia of liberty.
Comparing murder rates per 1000 is not a really meaningful guage as this ignores societal factors such as Saskatychewan's sizable aboriginal population. In evaluating the effectiveness of such measures such as CC, it is more useful to compare before and after stats to guage any effect.
$1:
If there has been a vast improvement, than Louisana must have been a hellish place before the change in law, it ain't doin so well now with the law!
Good point and highly accurate. During Mardi Gras, 1976, I saw a guy get shot right off a float in broad daylight. My friend there, a Canadian nurse, that night had a guy come in who had been shot by his girlfriend----12 times---she reloaded. Murder shooting rates are affected by many societal factors---the behaviour in the dome during Katrina, didn't really surprise me much. Much of the problems of New Orleans/Katrina/FEMA was that the city was besides being an engineering disaster was a socio-economic disaster to begin with.
As one fellow commented, the two most corrupt jurisdictions in North America are Quebec and Louisiana. Both have a huge civil bureaucracy. Quebec has 4 time the provincial civil servants as California with the same population.........
New Orleans/Louisiana could be styled the US Waziristan/Beruit.
Wally_Sconce @ Sun Feb 03, 2008 12:07 pm
fifeboy fifeboy:
Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:
Before stat: millions of Canadians just like me, own firearms and we don't kill people with them. meanwhile there are gutless low life street punks in Toronto that illegally acquire their handguns and will kill with any weapon that is in their hands, not just handguns.
After stat: millions of Canadians just like me, will not own firearms, and we don't kill people. meanwhile, there are gutless low life street punks in Toronto that illegally acquire their handguns and will kill with any weapon that is in their hands, not just handguns.
I agree with almost all you say here. The process of trying to keep legal firearms in the hands of registered owners was the function of the FAL system and the firearms registery. Possession of an illegal firearm should bring a manditory 5 years in prison. That should include anyone found with an unregistered firearm.After stat: millions of Canadians just like me, will not own firearms, and we don't kill people. meanwhile, there are gutless low life street punks in Toronto that illegally acquire their handguns and will kill with any weapon that is in their hands, not just handguns.
I disagree with almost all that you say here. In fact, your words have damaged and undermined your previous claims to support law abiding canadians, and oppose criminals in the streets of Toronto.
fifeboy @ Sun Feb 03, 2008 1:25 pm
Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:
fifeboy fifeboy:
Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:
Before stat: millions of Canadians just like me, own firearms and we don't kill people with them. meanwhile there are gutless low life street punks in Toronto that illegally acquire their handguns and will kill with any weapon that is in their hands, not just handguns.
After stat: millions of Canadians just like me, will not own firearms, and we don't kill people. meanwhile, there are gutless low life street punks in Toronto that illegally acquire their handguns and will kill with any weapon that is in their hands, not just handguns.
I agree with almost all you say here. The process of trying to keep legal firearms in the hands of registered owners was the function of the FAL system and the firearms registery. Possession of an illegal firearm should bring a manditory 5 years in prison. That should include anyone found with an unregistered firearm.After stat: millions of Canadians just like me, will not own firearms, and we don't kill people. meanwhile, there are gutless low life street punks in Toronto that illegally acquire their handguns and will kill with any weapon that is in their hands, not just handguns.
I disagree with almost all that you say here. In fact, your words have damaged and undermined your previous claims to support law abiding canadians, and oppose criminals in the streets of Toronto.
sasquatch2 @ Sun Feb 03, 2008 1:36 pm
fifeboy
$1:
Why? If the law says you need to have an FAC (PAL) to own a firearm and you should register any you own, and you don't, you are breaking the law. Penalties are decided by Parlament and the Courts.
Then you will call on the LIBRANO dominated Senate to pass the current law and order legistlation?
Or are you concerned that will interfere with your hoplophobic agenda to disarm civilians?
fifeboy @ Sun Feb 03, 2008 1:43 pm
sasquatch2 sasquatch2:
Yeah I get the impression you are autistic.....
And now you are an expert on autism, interesting.sasquatch2 sasquatch2:
I will repeat myself..........
Anti-gun folks are divided into two groups.
Irrational opponents have a visceral aversion to guns. It may, perhaps, be modified by hypnosis or psychotheraphy but not by evidence or argument.
Rational opponents have no phobias as such, but they have a political agenda. They are also unaffected by evidence or argument. In fact they have created an industry of misinformation and promotion of urban myths. They recoil from seeing weapons---symbols of individual sovereignty---in the hands of private citizens. It interferes with their ideal of power that, in their view, ought to belong exclusively to the state. Perhaps such people have a phobia, after all: a phobia of liberty. .
And you include the police in the second group, people with a phobia of liberty! Anti-gun folks are divided into two groups.
Irrational opponents have a visceral aversion to guns. It may, perhaps, be modified by hypnosis or psychotheraphy but not by evidence or argument.
Rational opponents have no phobias as such, but they have a political agenda. They are also unaffected by evidence or argument. In fact they have created an industry of misinformation and promotion of urban myths. They recoil from seeing weapons---symbols of individual sovereignty---in the hands of private citizens. It interferes with their ideal of power that, in their view, ought to belong exclusively to the state. Perhaps such people have a phobia, after all: a phobia of liberty. .
$1:
If there has been a vast improvement, than Louisana must have been a hellish place before the change in law, it ain't doin so well now with the law!
Still not such a nice place if you take murder rates into account. That woman who shot the guy 12 times, now she can carry a 17 shot Glock eh, won't have to work so hard for the same effect. Keep it in her purse too.sasquatch2 sasquatch2:
Much of the problems of New Orleans/Katrina/FEMA was that the city was besides being an engineering disaster was a socio-economic disaster to begin with..
As that stupid old boogyman, science, has been telling us for years.sasquatch2 sasquatch2:
As one fellow commented, the two most corrupt jurisdictions in North America are Quebec and Louisiana. Both have a huge civil bureaucracy. Quebec has 4 time the provincial civil servants as California with the same population..........
Oh you disappoint me here squatch, I thought you were going to tell us why!
fifeboy @ Sun Feb 03, 2008 1:46 pm
sasquatch2 sasquatch2:
fifeboy
Then you will call on the LIBRANO dominated Senate to pass the current law and order legistlation?
Or are you concerned that will interfere with your hoplophobic agenda to disarm civilians?
Something like that. However, I just love your use of the engquatch language. Say it again Sam. $1:
Why? If the law says you need to have an FAC (PAL) to own a firearm and you should register any you own, and you don't, you are breaking the law. Penalties are decided by Parlament and the Courts.
Then you will call on the LIBRANO dominated Senate to pass the current law and order legistlation?
Or are you concerned that will interfere with your hoplophobic agenda to disarm civilians?
Wally_Sconce @ Sun Feb 03, 2008 2:22 pm
fifeboy fifeboy:
Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:
fifeboy fifeboy:
Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:
Before stat: millions of Canadians just like me, own firearms and we don't kill people with them. meanwhile there are gutless low life street punks in Toronto that illegally acquire their handguns and will kill with any weapon that is in their hands, not just handguns.
After stat: millions of Canadians just like me, will not own firearms, and we don't kill people. meanwhile, there are gutless low life street punks in Toronto that illegally acquire their handguns and will kill with any weapon that is in their hands, not just handguns.
I agree with almost all you say here. The process of trying to keep legal firearms in the hands of registered owners was the function of the FAL system and the firearms registery. Possession of an illegal firearm should bring a manditory 5 years in prison. That should include anyone found with an unregistered firearm.After stat: millions of Canadians just like me, will not own firearms, and we don't kill people. meanwhile, there are gutless low life street punks in Toronto that illegally acquire their handguns and will kill with any weapon that is in their hands, not just handguns.
I disagree with almost all that you say here. In fact, your words have damaged and undermined your previous claims to support law abiding canadians, and oppose criminals in the streets of Toronto.
Your anti-gun arguements haven't evolved. You are right back where you started years ago.
I suppose I don't mind explainig myself over and over again, but not today.
sasquatch2 @ Sun Feb 03, 2008 2:42 pm
fifeboy
$1:
sasquatch2 wrote:
As that stupid old boogyman, science, has been telling us for years.
$1:
Much of the problems of New Orleans/Katrina/FEMA was that the city was besides being an engineering disaster was a socio-economic disaster to begin with..
As that stupid old boogyman, science, has been telling us for years.
Here I will put you back on the rails of your ideology. "The Science" blame Katrina on AGW. But then it also has drowning Polar Bears.......
sasquatch2 @ Sun Feb 03, 2008 2:48 pm
Fifeboy
$1:
Sasquatch2
Something like that. However, I just love your use of the engquatch language. Say it again Sam.
$1:
fifeboy
Then you will call on the LIBRANO dominated Senate to pass the current law and order legistlation?
Or are you concerned that will interfere with your hoplophobic agenda to disarm civilians?
$1:
Why? If the law says you need to have an FAC (PAL) to own a firearm and you should register any you own, and you don't, you are breaking the law. Penalties are decided by Parlament and the Courts.
Then you will call on the LIBRANO dominated Senate to pass the current law and order legistlation?
Or are you concerned that will interfere with your hoplophobic agenda to disarm civilians?
Something like that. However, I just love your use of the engquatch language. Say it again Sam.
I gave you an either or. You expressed an affirmative---which logically based on your past posts would indicate that you do consider the Senate passing the delayed legistlation would interfere with your hoplophobic agenda to disarm civilians.
fifeboy @ Sun Feb 03, 2008 3:31 pm
sasquatch2 sasquatch2:
fifeboy
Here I will put you back on the rails of your ideology. "The Science" blame Katrina on AGW. But then it also has drowning Polar Bears.......
Actually squatch, I was referring to an article I read in Natural History Mag about 5 years before Katrina----sorry!
$1:
sasquatch2 wrote:
As that stupid old boogyman, science, has been telling us for years.
$1:
Much of the problems of New Orleans/Katrina/FEMA was that the city was besides being an engineering disaster was a socio-economic disaster to begin with..
As that stupid old boogyman, science, has been telling us for years.
Here I will put you back on the rails of your ideology. "The Science" blame Katrina on AGW. But then it also has drowning Polar Bears.......
fifeboy @ Sun Feb 03, 2008 3:34 pm
Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:
fifeboy fifeboy:
Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:
fifeboy fifeboy:
Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:
Before stat: millions of Canadians just like me, own firearms and we don't kill people with them. meanwhile there are gutless low life street punks in Toronto that illegally acquire their handguns and will kill with any weapon that is in their hands, not just handguns.
After stat: millions of Canadians just like me, will not own firearms, and we don't kill people. meanwhile, there are gutless low life street punks in Toronto that illegally acquire their handguns and will kill with any weapon that is in their hands, not just handguns.
I agree with almost all you say here. The process of trying to keep legal firearms in the hands of registered owners was the function of the FAL system and the firearms registery. Possession of an illegal firearm shoult by Parlament and the Courts.After stat: millions of Canadians just like me, will not own firearms, and we don't kill people. meanwhile, there are gutless low life street punks in Toronto that illegally acquire their handguns and will kill with any weapon that is in their hands, not just handguns.
Your anti-gun arguements haven't evolved. You are right back where you started years ago.
I suppose I don't mind explainig myself over and over again, but not today.
sasquatch2 @ Sun Feb 03, 2008 4:09 pm
Careful some of that solvent is not just a fume hazard but can give you a nasty rash. I am referring to powder residue solvent---Hops........
ryan29 @ Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:23 am
fifeboy fifeboy:
Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:
Before stat: millions of Canadians just like me, own firearms and we don't kill people with them. meanwhile there are gutless low life street punks in Toronto that illegally acquire their handguns and will kill with any weapon that is in their hands, not just handguns.
After stat: millions of Canadians just like me, will not own firearms, and we don't kill people. meanwhile, there are gutless low life street punks in Toronto that illegally acquire their handguns and will kill with any weapon that is in their hands, not just handguns.
I agree with almost all you say here. The process of trying to keep legal firearms in the hands of registered owners was the function of the FAL system and the firearms registery. Possession of an illegal firearm should bring a manditory 5 years in prison. That should include anyone found with an unregistered firearm.After stat: millions of Canadians just like me, will not own firearms, and we don't kill people. meanwhile, there are gutless low life street punks in Toronto that illegally acquire their handguns and will kill with any weapon that is in their hands, not just handguns.
but the problem is that previous gun registry brough in during 90's by liberals is such a mess there is still thousands of unregistered long guns out there, why do you think an amensty was brought in few years ago ?
simply wouldn't make sense to send all those people to jail over a paperwork issue .
fifeboy @ Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:32 am
ryan29 ryan29:
fifeboy fifeboy:
Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:
Before stat: millions of Canadians just like me, own firearms and we don't kill people with them. meanwhile there are gutless low life street punks in Toronto that illegally acquire their handguns and will kill with any weapon that is in their hands, not just handguns.
After stat: millions of Canadians just like me, will not own firearms, and we don't kill people. meanwhile, there are gutless low life street punks in Toronto that illegally acquire their handguns and will kill with any weapon that is in their hands, not just handguns.
I agree with almost all you say here. The process of trying to keep legal firearms in the hands of registered owners was the function of the FAL system and the firearms registery. Possession of an illegal firearm should bring a manditory 5 years in prison. That should include anyone found with an unregistered firearm.After stat: millions of Canadians just like me, will not own firearms, and we don't kill people. meanwhile, there are gutless low life street punks in Toronto that illegally acquire their handguns and will kill with any weapon that is in their hands, not just handguns.
but the problem is that previous gun registry brough in during 90's by liberals is such a mess there is still thousands of unregistered long guns out there, why do you think an amensty was brought in few years ago ?
simply wouldn't make sense to send all those people to jail over a paperwork issue .
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