Toronto's never ending push to ban hand guns
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Wally_Sconce @ Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:31 pm
fifeboy fifeboy:
ryan29 ryan29:
fifeboy fifeboy:
Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:
Before stat: millions of Canadians just like me, own firearms and we don't kill people with them. meanwhile there are gutless low life street punks in Toronto that illegally acquire their handguns and will kill with any weapon that is in their hands, not just handguns.
After stat: millions of Canadians just like me, will not own firearms, and we don't kill people. meanwhile, there are gutless low life street punks in Toronto that illegally acquire their handguns and will kill with any weapon that is in their hands, not just handguns.
I agree with almost all you say here. The process of trying to keep legal firearms in the hands of registered owners was the function of the FAL system and the firearms registery. Possession of an illegal firearm should bring a manditory 5 years in prison. That should include anyone found with an unregistered firearm.After stat: millions of Canadians just like me, will not own firearms, and we don't kill people. meanwhile, there are gutless low life street punks in Toronto that illegally acquire their handguns and will kill with any weapon that is in their hands, not just handguns.
but the problem is that previous gun registry brough in during 90's by liberals is such a mess there is still thousands of unregistered long guns out there, why do you think an amensty was brought in few years ago ?
simply wouldn't make sense to send all those people to jail over a paperwork issue .
Many people are like me, I'm not ever registering my rifles,
deal with it.
others have turned themselves in, demanding their day in court, but no one would arrest them
sasquatch2 @ Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:44 am
It has been discovered that duplicate serial #s in the registry, beside showing the presence of off-shore knock-offs has shown the registry is re-registering firearms listed as stolen on CPIC.
Normalguy @ Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:10 pm
sasquatch2 has got it. Same story over and over...and the Monkey King and Osama Bin Layton would make it worse, we'll have a registry for harsh language next. Hey, more people get killed cause they drive too fast than get shot so lets ban cars and knives and sharp sticks and pencils too. While we're at it, lets ban forks too, food should be pre-cut no, wait, pre-chewed. Sorry, got a little Liberal there, man when will it end?
Wally_Sconce @ Wed Feb 06, 2008 9:05 am
I want a new bump sticker that says
"Canada:Guns increasing every year, crime decreasing every year, PUT THAT IN YOUR PIPE AND SMOKE IT!"
Wally_Sconce @ Wed Feb 06, 2008 9:06 am
There has never been any correlation between the legal access to firearms, and the illegal use of firearms.
Read the statistics, then Fuck Off!!!
fifeboy @ Wed Feb 06, 2008 9:22 am
Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:
There has never been any correlation between the legal access to firearms, and the illegal use of firearms.
Read the statistics, then Fuck Off!!!
Calm down son, calm down. Usually when people carry on a debate and then regress to swearing it's because they feel they are loosing. You are doing fine boyo. As per your stats, let me see them.
Read the statistics, then Fuck Off!!!
Wally_Sconce @ Wed Feb 06, 2008 9:30 am
what stats do you need to see, the one that shows a 30 year trend of firearm related deaths decreasing? or the stats that show how many legal firearms are imported into Canada every year?
IMO, these are both stats that most people dont question. All I'm asking you to do is to look at them together then tell me if it makes sense for the likes of Wendy Cuckier to claim that there is correlation between the 2 that would support her ideas?
fifeboy @ Wed Feb 06, 2008 9:35 am
Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:
what stats do you need to see, the one that shows a 30 year trend of firearm related deaths decreasing? or the stats that show how many legal firearms are imported into Canada every year?
Thats a good start. Show me.
Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:
IMO, these are both stats that most people dont question. All I'm asking you to do is to look at them together then tell me if it makes sense for the likes of Wendy Cuckier to claim that there is correlation between the 2 that would support her ideas?
O.K. who is Wendy Cuckier?
sasquatch2 @ Wed Feb 06, 2008 9:50 am
Wendy Cukier, is a SOW, a Ryerson professor who heads the "Coalition for Firearms Control" (formerly the Coalition to ban handguns) who with her dubious NGO enjoyed influence with the architects of C68. Her organization is funded by the Canadian Police Chiefs Assn which is funded by Justice Department funds.
Cukier is notorious for frequent use of Sarah Brady Foundation propaganda and junk science.
Sarah Brady Foundation is an American Anti-gun lobby with 4 times the budget of the NRA, which it uses extensively to commision junk science "studies" and polls to further it's agenda.
Wally_Sconce @ Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:09 am
fifeboy fifeboy:
Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:
what stats do you need to see, the one that shows a 30 year trend of firearm related deaths decreasing? or the stats that show how many legal firearms are imported into Canada every year?
Thats a good start. Show me.
Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:
IMO, these are both stats that most people dont question. All I'm asking you to do is to look at them together then tell me if it makes sense for the likes of Wendy Cuckier to claim that there is correlation between the 2 that would support her ideas?
O.K. who is Wendy Cuckier?Oh man, do I really have to show you? I do have better things to do.
Wendy Cuckier. Canadian Anti-human rights lobbyist. Her career relies on continued support from hoplophobics(sp?)
stemmer @ Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:18 am
I'll surrender my guns when the government surrenders theirs and not a moment before....
fifeboy @ Wed Feb 06, 2008 12:46 pm
Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:
Oh man, do I really have to show you? I do have better things to do.
Wendy Cuckier. Canadian Anti-human rights lobbyist. Her career relies on continued support from hoplophobics(sp?)
Helpful little guy aren't youWendy Cuckier. Canadian Anti-human rights lobbyist. Her career relies on continued support from hoplophobics(sp?)
sasquatch2 sasquatch2:
Wendy Cukier, is a SOW, a Ryerson professor who heads the "Coalition for Firearms Control" (formerly the Coalition to ban handguns) who with her dubious NGO enjoyed influence with the architects of C68. Her organization is funded by the Canadian Police Chiefs Assn which is funded by Justice Department funds.
Cukier is notorious for frequent use of Sarah Brady Foundation propaganda and junk science.
Sarah Brady Foundation is an American Anti-gun lobby with 4 times the budget of the NRA, which it uses extensively to commision junk science "studies" and polls to further it's agenda.
So, Wendy Cukier is funded by the Canadian Police Chiefs Association---now that’s a real left wing propaganda group. But wait, they are funded by the Justice Department (I am assuming that’s the Justice Department of Canada's New Government and not the Justice Department of some EVIL FOREIGN POWER) which is then funded by MY TAX DOLLARS--cool! And their (Cukier's) group uses MY TAX DOLLARS to fund bogus scientific "studies" to prove that what---more Americans kill each other than Canadians do? Wow- I am impressed.
Cukier is notorious for frequent use of Sarah Brady Foundation propaganda and junk science.
Sarah Brady Foundation is an American Anti-gun lobby with 4 times the budget of the NRA, which it uses extensively to commision junk science "studies" and polls to further it's agenda.
Wally_Sconce @ Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:49 pm
A bullshitter and a liar is still a bullshitter and a liar, regardless how they are funded.
sasquatch2 @ Wed Feb 06, 2008 5:09 pm
fifeboy
$1:
So, Wendy Cukier is funded by the Canadian Police Chiefs Association---now that’s a real left wing propaganda group. But wait, they are funded by the Justice Department (I am assuming that’s the Justice Department of Canada's New Government and not the Justice Department of some EVIL FOREIGN POWER) which is then funded by MY TAX DOLLARS--cool! And their (Cukier's) group uses MY TAX DOLLARS to fund bogus scientific "studies" to prove that what---more Americans kill each other than Canadians do? Wow- I am impressed.
While that funding arrangment was the circumstance during the cretin/Martin regime I am uncertain that is any longer the case----I would hope not---I must e-mail my MP to verify this.
From what I can establish The Canadian Police Cheifs Assn mentality is best described as facist and opportunist. The rank and file Police ASSN s appear more impartial and non-partisan.
fifeboy @ Wed Feb 06, 2008 5:43 pm
sasquatch2 sasquatch2:
While that funding arrangment was the circumstance during the cretin/Martin regime I am uncertain that is any longer the case----I would hope not---I must e-mail my MP to verify this.
Why don't you do that right away. I would be interested in the resultssasquatch2 sasquatch2:
From what I can establish The Canadian Police Cheifs Assn mentality is best described as facist and opportunist. The rank and file Police ASSN s appear more impartial and non-partisan.
What does any of this mean?? Are you saying that the Chiefs are facists (take guns away from Jews and other minorities and encourage us "good old boys" to go out and practice our skills?) And the rank and file police all want concealed carry? I await your reply!
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