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That sounds like the typical conservative logic-bending whine "I demand you tolerate my intolerance otherwise I'll complain that you're being intolerant!"



I have never been asked, much less ordered to use invented pronouns. Have you? Let those people worry about how they'll handle it, I'm sure they'll figure it out without you and Ezra Levant trying to turn it into screaming match.

And does being asked to use a different pronoun really affect you anyway? When someone asks you to call them by a nick name - e.g. Bob in stead of Robert - you don't go screaming that you're being told how to live your life, why is this any different? Really ask yourself that.

What confusion are you experiencing over washrooms?

Does the fact that it's a "relatively small group" make a difference? If anything, wouldn't that make accommodating them even easier and less of a burden on society?



Identity cards used to have your 'race' on them too. I imagine people shrieked about how will you able to identify a black person if it doesn't say "NEGRO" on their birth certificate? How have we managed all these decades with everyone walking around without their race on their identity documents?

Besides what if the person whose ID says "male" doesn't look like a male in real life or even in their photo? How useful is it then?


Why?

acceptance of nonacceptance?

Also I disagree with the claim that people can't express themselves respectfully. I don't approve of internet trolls and the shrieking college campus activists, but they're only found in certain venues and they're going to exist no matter what. Also, they're not always on the left - look at the Mens Rights/Gamergate types who attack women.


The anti-diversity crowd is not less authoritarian and dissent-crushing. In fact their whole complaint seems to be that they should be allowed to crush gays, etc without the government stepping in. Nobody is forcing you to like gay people but when you want to ban them from getting married YOU'RE THE AUTHORITARIAN. How do you not understand that??



I agree. But who is in the echo chamber here? As you say, some will never buy and that's fine. Sounds like you are one of them. I think the "anti-diversity" crowd and social conservatives suffer from this delusion that they're part of some silent majority instead of seeing the reality that they're a vocal minority. They will never buy, and as you say, that's fine.

Another misconception on the right is the failure to understand that society changes ON ITS OWN. It's not some small circle of activists forcing change on a reluctant population; people and ideas and society and culture are always changing and evolving. That's why you don't still dress and live like they did the in 1800's and why those people didn't still dress and live like Shakespearean times, and why Shakespeareans didn't still dress and live like neolithic hunter-gatherers. Conservatives seem to have this delusion that some day the world naturally sits still and nothing ever naturally changes, except when liberal elites keep forcing change on anyone.


How so? I dont' think I'm outraged but when it comes to say, freedom and rights, it is kind of all-or-nothing. Selective freedom is not freedom.

   

If someone immigrates here from a foreign country and doesn't learn the language, it annoys me but it doesn't really affect me. The person who is burdened here is the immigrant who has chosen to try and survive in a world where they can't understand what anyone is saying and can't even read basic signs. Me? My life goes on unaffected. Why should I be outraged?

Quebec's position is about nothing more than their unending obsession with preserving the supremacy of French culture.

   

R

   

None of this is new, there are Six Genders in Classical Judaism.

http://www.sojourngsd.org/blog/sixgenders

   

Why did I break a law or something?

   

And you're responding with the typical left-whine, "They're only defending free speech because they want freedom to be bigots."



I haven't yet either. But there's a university professor whose job is on the line over it, and unlike you, I don't limit my concern to things that affect me personally. And make no mistake, the little dears with their safe spaces, trigger warnings and value signaling may be comfortably cloistered in academia, but have designs that stretch outside, and have effectively weaponized social media in their quest to silence people who disagree with them. People are getting fired and having their privacy violated over this stuff. Maybe some of them will grow out of it. But this generation was raised by the one that brought the original wave of PC thuggery in the 90's. The trend is not looking good for people who value diversity of thought.


Not if it requires disproportionate changes in physical, social and bureaucratic infrastructure to accommodate. This is a society that hasn't even managed to properly accommodate left-handedness (to the point that there are differences in life expectancy) despite it being a much larger minority than anything we're taking about here.



I don't have any delusions of this sort. Of course the world changes and popular opinion evolves over time. Conservatism isn't about sealing the world in amber. It's about preserving the best of the past and present and a wariness towards social experimentation. Progressives see the world as inevitably moving in a certain direction, but many are not patient enough to have the change take place in an evolutionary manner. These "can't wait for utopia" types are drawn to authoritarianism as a way to hurry the future along, and their collectivist mindset causes them to feel little compunction about stepping on individual rights to get there, particularly for individuals belonging to "privileged" groups. Combine lofty ambitions for a perfect society with disregard for the individual, and you have a recipe for some really horrible things.

   

So? It's accurate.


Neither do I, but there's a difference in standing up for causes you believe in and trying to insert yourself into other people's local day-to-day battles. As I may have mentioned before, remember the radical anti-capitalist '60s leftists grew up to become the wolves of Wall Street. Also, up to and including the 90's sexual harassment,prejudice etc. and in the workplace was pretty rampant and open so I don't know about "PC thuggery". You may not have stopped to think about it but if you got into at time machine and went back to a workplace in 1990's you would be shocked to see how women especially were treated and how people talked and treated gay people.




But does it though? On what basis do you make that claim besides just making that up? Besides you fail to understand that the limit of "undue hardship" on the duty to accommodate is already a fundamental part of the process.



Look at your own faulty logic here - see bolded part. Did you ever stop to wonder who gets to decide what will be curated as "the best of the past and present"? And who decides what is "social experimentation"? You talk about these things as if they are objective absolutes but they're nothing more than someone's personal opinion. Yet Conservatives claim the exclusive right to make these determinations and will use authoritarian measures to enforce their vision. The conservatives are the "can't wait to get back to utopia" types who have this idea that things in the 1950s or whenever were perfect and women and gays and minorities just need to accept their place at the bottom of the pecking order and just endure whatever discrimination they encounter.

Conservatives also fail to recognize that rights are something that are won by the powerless through challenging the powerful, they are not gifts from the powerful when the powerful feel generous. If anything, the collectivist mindset is more profound on the right because the right has contempt for anyone who challenges conventional wisdom or conventional power structures.


I should point out that individualism and Conservatism are very different and it's only been the last twenty years or so that they have even been on the same side of the political spectrum. Conservatives are not inherently more individualist than liberals or vice-versa, it's just been the course of North American politics that have seen these sides hold an uneasy alliance under the right-wing.

The challenges that individualists face whoever is that they want all the benefits of living a society with none of the responsibilities that come along with that. They want public services but don't want to pay taxes. They want the convenience and economic benefits of living in a community with other people, but don't want to be subject to norms of society. You can't have it both ways.

   

   

I’ll give you three names - Nathan Rambukkana, Herbert Pimlott and Adria Joel. Their despicable bullying of Lindsay Shepherd further demonstrates that so many academic Marxists are just Stalinists who don’t have the power to build gulags. They will abuse whatever power they can acquire.

The abuses of Stalin and Mao weren’t aberrations or misapplications of Marxism. They are its inevitable result. Marxism, like its supposed opposite fascism, is a disease. This “intersectional” identity politics nonsense found on university campuses is just a weird mutant strain of it. And it has implications outside of the university, so yes, we all have a stake in it.

   

According to Eliot Kukla, right?

This guy...girl...zey...zer...whatever...



No problems with interpretation there, I'm sure.

   

Why don't you give us the more truthier, truth from your side, oh wise one. By all means straighten us out because when we usually hear it, it sounds like this:

   

Off the top of our heads, right?

Bill Ayers

Frances Fox Pliven of Cloward/Piven Infamy.

Felicia Felarca and her co-leader of Bamn, what's-her-name.

The leaders of Black live Matter, Especially that hideous screeching cow who runs BLM Toronto.

I could do this all day, you know?

OK, one more group, and this is just for fun.

Suzuki, Bill Nye, the craziest Kennedy (I forget his first name) and Al Gore for preaching jail for anybody disagreeing with them.

Many, many, many more available upon request. Just ask.

   

He's wise enough to know anyone believing in the word "truthier" is a fucking idiot not worth responding to?

   

Damn straight!



-J.

   

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