Who should be next Liberal leader? Vote and discuss...
Delwin @ Tue Jan 24, 2006 8:06 pm
I really like Michael Ignatieff, I think his views speak for a lot of Canadians, and I particularily like his experience with international human rights issues, I also believe that his experience in journalism gives him a unique perspective on the issues:
Michael is considered one of the world’s leading experts in democracy, human rights, security, and international affairs. He has advised governments and world leaders on these questions, and has served on the International Commission on Kosovo, the International Commission on Intervention and State Sovereignty, and the World Economic Forum, where he led panels on citizenship and minority rights, Afghanistan, and the future of the Balkans.
Here are some of his more recent comments from a 2005 speech:
"Being anti-American is a lousy way to be a proud Canadian. A superiority complex towards our neighbour is as foolish as an inferiority complex. Our identity is perfectly secure and it is rooted in our institutions: parliamentary government, la langue et la culture française, our aboriginal heritage, our Charter of Rights and Freedoms. We have always done things differently here. We always will."
"Our party has never regarded Quebec as the problem because we know Quebecers have always been part of the solution. From the days of Baldwin and LaFontaine, Macdonald and Cartier, the partnership of two peoples has held our country together.
"Liberals have always said no to anti-Americanism. Leave that to the NDP. Anti-Americanism is an electoral ghetto. Leave them to wither inside it."
It is unfortunate for him that he is from Toronto, this is what I think will keep him from really being considered by the liberals.
Robair @ Tue Jan 24, 2006 8:12 pm
My money's on Frank. He has been in the spotlight recently and people like him.
Who really wants to be the next leader ?
http://www.recruitingsite.com/csbsites/ ... areers.asp

Banff @ Tue Jan 24, 2006 9:44 pm
yikes ! it doesn't look like a promising list but I'd go with Brian
SamIAm SamIAm:
Who should take up the post as head of the Ontario Liberal Mob? Well that's easy. That would be John Manley.
Thank dog that is never going to happen. Sheila Copps is a more likely leader. (Also not going to happen.)
Neither are Ignatieff nor Dryden this time around.
My money is on Tobin - not necessarily that I want that, I just give him the slightest edge over McKenna. It's got to be someone who can hit the ground running in case the CPC falls before letting the "new guy" establish his credibility.
Scape @ Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:01 pm
Stéphane Dion is not a favorite at all. Has he had sex with boys Hwacker?
IkeaMan @ Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:14 pm
I voted for Brian Tobin....but who really cares who is elected!

I think your list is missing one of the (if not THE) obvious choices:
"Landslide" Anne Maclellan.
- has wide-ranging Parliamentary experience with Chretien and Martin, including serving as 2 IC for both,
- relatively untainted by the litany of Liberal scandals (which, I assume, is why R. Goodale didn't make your list),
- isn't seen as part of the "Old Canada" (Toronto-Ottawa-Montreal) Establishment, which represents what most Canadians outside of the Liberal's base resent about our colonial-style government, and which will help her deliver votes to the Liberals that the "Old Boys Club" has no hope of regaining,
- is considered one of the country's foremost Constitutional experts ( you won't hear her making silly promises like revoking the NW clause),
- has the legal experience to back a Liberal promise to rein-in an overly-proactive judiciary,
- her loss in this election opens her to running in a 'safe' Liberal riding in Manitoba - close enough to Calgary to not make the New Canada suspicious, close enough to Toronto not to make the Old Canada skittish.
- the fact she's a woman will help ease the distrust and discomfort which the Liberal's Old Lies have caused in the New Canada,
- her ascendency will almost certainly mean the end of B. Stronach's power ploys, See ya Belinda. Wouldn't wanna be ya. Don't let the door hit ya,...
VitaminC VitaminC:
Knoss Knoss:
$1:
All kinds of predictions were being made to the effect that the Libs were going to be reduced to fewer than 70 seats. Under the circumstances they fared surprisingly well.
Wow the libs met low expectations. It was a matter of luck it can't last. they didn't get one seat in Alberta, the parrties in debt (which has to be remidied before the Federal Accountability Act passes of forget about it.), and Tobin is a nut he can't save them.
Sorry but are you seriously putting forward the idea that the liberals would cease to exist as a party? If so you don't understand politics very well.......
The cons were knocked out of politics for 12 years........the liberals may not win for a while, but I guarantee there will be a Liberal Party as long as Canada exists, just as there will be a Conservative Party.....The thing is only one is in power at a time......that how politics works....back and forth....back and forth....
And as to there not being a Liberal elected in Alberta? I hate to say it, but you don't need to elect people in Alberta in order to control the gov't.....In fact, there are now much more Conservative MPs from Ontario then from Alberta........There are two provinces that elect governments, Ontario and Quebec......thats the funny thing about democracy.... population is power...
Sorry dude, MONEY IS POWER and PEOPLE GO WHERE THE MONEY IS. The Cons plan to abolish the Liberals contradictory immigration policy of forcing 75% of new Canadians to settle where they are least needed (Mtl-Tor-Van), As the rest of Western Canada grows in economic strength (it won't be just Alberta) you're going to see a slow, but steady movement by existing citizens. Away from a stagnant Old Canada, towards a vibrant and prosperous New Canada.
GunPlumber GunPlumber:
Sorry dude, MONEY IS POWER and PEOPLE GO WHERE THE MONEY IS. The Cons plan to abolish the Liberals contradictory immigration policy of forcing 75% of new Canadians to settle where they are least needed (Mtl-Tor-Van), As the rest of Western Canada grows in economic strength (it won't be just Alberta) you're going to see a slow, but steady movement by existing citizens. Away from a stagnant Old Canada, towards a vibrant and prosperous New Canada.
Dear dog, I cannot imagine being a brown person and having to move to Alberta. I know that you need a lot of people to work in your grocery stores and Tim Hortons, but indentured servitude is illegal.
Maybe some of dose illiterit imigrunts Rob Anders spoke of might like to... no, I doubt that as well.
Besides, aren't you afraid they'll just vote Liberal?
ambivalent ambivalent:
I cannot imagine being a brown person and having to move to Alberta. I know that you need a lot of people to work in your grocery stores and Tim Hortons, but indentured servitude is illegal.
In spite of Eastern misconceptions we welcome all colours and races. Go to a Leafs game and it is a sea of white folk with the only colour tucked away on the concourse serving bad hotdogs and popcorn. Go to an Oilers game and it is every colour in the seats. Why? There are no ghettos or ethnic enclaves here and without any real unions and not much in government jobs you have to make it on your own merits so we get the best of the best. We get the ones that want to fully participate in Canadian society and that's the way we like it.
ambivalent ambivalent:
Besides, aren't you afraid they'll just vote Liberal?
Nope, CBC radio wondered the same thing. So many immigrants and transients from other provinces, why do they vote Conservative when here. Lots of interviews but it seemed to boil down again to this province attracted the people who want to make it, the people of independent spirit, the can do people who see government as a liability.
By the way folks, if your small business is looking to escape excessive taxation, high energy prices, union labour and stifling bureaucracy as part of a realignment prior to the downturn in Eastern Canada, and if you are looking for assistance to make the transition from Ontario or Quebec and relocate your company send me a private message.
lily lily:
The Libs surpassed low expectations... Harper sure can't say the same. Given the scandals, etc., shouldn't he be looking at a comfortable majority right now?
Instead, he got no seats in Canada's 3 largest cities, and actually lost 5 seats in admittedly contrary B.C.
Harper can't say the same?
The man united two political parties and in just over two years, took that party to victory and became Prime Minister.
As recently as October 2005, Haper and the CPC were written off and the leadership of Harper was in question.
I'd say the expectations of the new CPC party was low, until, of course, mid December hit and the tide changed.
Scape @ Wed Jan 25, 2006 12:04 am
GunPlumber GunPlumber:
I think your list is missing one of the (if not THE) obvious choices:
"Landslide" Anne Maclellan.
I agree with your points but I see her as the female version of Preston Manning with a voice to match. That being said, you make a good argument for her.
lily lily:
Given the scandals etc. you and others loved to post about... shouldn't the Libs have been decimated in the polls?
Instead, Harper has fewer seats than Martin's minority government. He even lost 5 seats here in contrary B.C.
You call that a victory?
Sure do. Is Stephen Harper Prime Minister? Yes he is.
As I'm sure you'll recognize, the Big Red Machine is a not a force to be taken lightly. Liberals have been in power for 70 of the last 100 years in Canada and for the last 12 years straight
The Liberals, going up against an opponent that the public didn't know very well (they will now) and a party just past it's second birthday, and that Martin made look all scary two elections in a row, I think it's a great start and will allow Canadians to get to know the party and know their new Prime Minister.
You noted the seats that the CPC lost in BC, but you failed to mention the major inroads they make in Quebec and Ontario.
Big victory? No. Victory? Yes.
I think I should be the next Lieberal leader. Here’s why;
I am not so dark that I appeal to whites and I am not so white I appeal to the rest.
I am bilingual….sort of (not French)
Have a French wife from Queerbec and own property in the St. Gilbert township near Pontneuf.
Am a veteran
Have traveled to 23 countries (some of them I was there to kill people but didn’t so that has to qualify for diplomacy)
Have been a card carrying Librano for years. (use it to vote in leadership races. 5 bucks cheap)
Have lived in 4 provinces and been to every province and territory.
Own a farm so I appeal to farmers
Own a business so I appeal to business people
In the mid 80s was the youngest member in the history of the Canadian Club of Hamilton
Blah, blah blah
Oh wait…….the lieberals have never been led by a person born west of Ontario, damn, and I was starting to feel so included.
I even had a sure fire slogan: Vote Librano - it's our turn at the trough.