Who should be next Liberal leader? Vote and discuss...
ambivalent ambivalent:
Yeah, I am so unhappy living in the giant project that is the
Annex (hence my grumbling about Olivia Chow). Prior to that I was living in the terrible horrible conditions of Oakville. I believe it has fallen from having the top income per capita in the country - and now it is a giant slum. Anyway, it was sheer hell.
Blah blah blah, I know all of us immigrants are clogging up your welfare system. Me and my 15 kids from 15 different fathers are right now eating our subsidized bonbons while watching BET. Or wait, are we supposed to be at the foodbank with our foodstamps siphoning off your choicest canned goods? I keep forgetting how the stereotype works in your tiny little mind.
So are you saying you enjoy all that Toronto has to offer despite the fact that you are a non-white, first generation Canadian. If not, what was the point you were trying to make?
$1:
OH! $20 DOLLARS AN HOUR! Let me get on a plane right now!
Wow! That's almost a tenth of my billing rate - as long as you forget the exchange rate. Of course, when I am subcontracting, my rate plummets to $90/hour. It allows me to goof off and poke my head in online at times during the day. Well, that and I own the company, so no one is going to yell at me. (Well, I might yell at myself shortly because I am not finished this article, and I have been procrastinating about it for a week an a half now).
And how much would you get paid in your profession if you were an apprentice (maybe you'd care to read my post more carefully)? How much do you pay your apprentices? And how long did it take you to acquire the skills and save enough, so that you could open your own shop and have the option to subcontract.
Not everyone will opt for a profession, but if they don't, there's still very decent pay in the trades. That was the point of my response: to put the lie to your notion that moving to Redneck country would only bring 'indentured servitude'.
Now, I don't claim to make as much as you (at $200+/hr I'd be billing my clients for over half a mil per year), but considering my community-college edumacashun, I'd say CLEARING over $90K/yr ain't doin too bad.
$1:
But yeah, I can see how working construction would beat using my brain any day.
Well thank you for revealing another facet of your bigotted, white Ontarian character. It's been most enlightening.
$1:
Get enough of us furreiners there and you might start to see the blue fade to purple and then to - OH NO!
Ain't gonna happen unless them furreiners happen to be a bunch of ex-Torontonians. Or didn't you notice that rural Ontario (i.e., everywhere BUT Toronto) is morphing from Red to Blue?
ambivalent ambivalent:
GunPlumber GunPlumber:
Not really, Dog.
Oh yeah, the "dog" in question was "god" backwards. Not being particularly religious, I tend not to run around saying "thank god".
I know, too esoteric for you.
I understood your point of reference, which is why I decided to play with it.
Silly me: for expecting you to understand my reference which originates from outside of your cloistered whitebread world.
Not being at all religious myself, but believing in a power greater than man, I tend to lean towards Buddhism.
1. Buddism rule #1: Nothing is real.
2. Buddhism rule #2: No matter how venerated the teacher or how holy the text, nothing is true until you have seen the proof of it's truth yourself. And remember: nothing you see is real.
3. Buddhism rule #3: Because nothing is real, and nothing can be proven as true, you must disregard all previous rules.
GunPlumber GunPlumber:
I understood your point of reference, which is why I decided to play with it.
Silly me: for expecting you to understand my reference which originates from outside of your cloistered whitebread world.

Except that I am black - which apparently you've missed (at least considering you just called me "whitebread"). I figured you were just going with your stereotype of my existence in a project
You seem to have issues with the idea that there are non-white immigrants in the GTA who weren't "forced to live in an area where there isn't opportunity to succeed." I'm sure that if this were an episode of TOS Star Trek, this would be the point where you start muttering "does not compute" and your head explodes.
I reiterate, thank dog I am not a brown person in Alberta.
Ruserious Ruserious:
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
As for who I'd like to see run the Liberal Party, I'd say Frank McKenna.
So, in the next federal election you'd vote for him then?
$1:
Tobin makes me want to vomit.
Given your support of the cons, that's good enough for me.
I'll take Tobin
I'll vote for whoever I beleive is the best choice for Canada. If McKenna does well and his platform is good, it's definately worth consideration.
GunPlumber GunPlumber:
VitaminC VitaminC:
GunPlumber GunPlumber:
Sorry dude, MONEY IS POWER and PEOPLE GO WHERE THE MONEY IS. The Cons plan to abolish the Liberals contradictory immigration policy of forcing 75% of new Canadians to settle where they are least needed (Mtl-Tor-Van), As the rest of Western Canada grows in economic strength (it won't be just Alberta) you're going to see a slow, but steady movement by existing citizens. Away from a stagnant Old Canada, towards a vibrant and prosperous New Canada.
The reason immigrants don't go to rural areas is because people in rural areas hate people who aren't white....
Are you're speaking for rural, WHITE ONTARIO? Because I know of more than a few towns and villages in Alberta and B.C. where the local doctor, teacher, business owner ain't white but is an immigrant. Maybe you and WhineyX would like to take a trip out west sometime. Then you can tell me who's got more bigotted white men. Maybe, you could start by taking the whiner outside of his parent's home.
Just don't cry if I rag on Ontario, after all your and WhineyThePoo's constant anti-Western-redneck-bigot shit, it's the least I could do. Turnabout is fair play.
$1:
And because jobs are normally found in cities....usually people have to leave rural areas and move to cities to find jobs....
My rant wasn't a rural vs urban argument (Funny, how Liberals ALWAYS have to quote out of context to make a point). It had to do with the ABSOLUTE FACT that over 75% of the people who've immigrated to Canada in the last 10 years have been settled in Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver. That doesn't mean Toronto, Montreal or Vancouver don't deserve to benefit from new Canadians, but the immigrants should be encouraged to settle where their services are most needed and where the greatest opportunities await (and, hate to break it to ya, it ain't in the three cities I just mentioned). And then they should be ALLOWED to choose.
$1:
Let me ask you, do you think a small town with no doctor because of the doctor shortage would really accept a Pakistani Doctor as their Family Doctor? I don't.
Well, I would disagree.
Not only Pakistani doctors, but Sudanese, and Vietnamese and a whole lot of other nationalities. And not just doctors, but engineers and technicians and even on occassion >GASP<,... Mayors

. 'Course I can only speak for Western Canada and I'll leave you to represent White-Ontario bigots.
Well I certainly do consider rural people in Ontario to be just as bad as rural people in Alberta.....
That aside, I think the reason that immigrants go to the big cities is that there are more jobs and oppurtunities and money in cities.....In Ontario anyway, there are no opportunities in rural areas....and people have to come to cities to get jobs.......
I don't know if you consider Fort McMurray to be rural or urban, but I know there are lots of opportunities there.....What other opportunities are there? I thought the beef industry was decimated and likely to not have new opportunities......
And since when are immigrants forced to live somewhere? The way I understand it, in Canada people can live wherever they want, and can move anytime they want without the Freedom Police dragging them back to their designated living place in the evil cities.....
hwacker @ Wed Jan 25, 2006 11:13 am
VitaminC VitaminC:
And since when are immigrants forced to live somewhere? The way I understand it, in Canada people can live wherever they want, and can move anytime they want without the Freedom Police dragging them back to their designated living place in the evil cities.....
It's funny that a lot high crime areas are places where immigrants are grouping together. Coincidence?
If you think that's not true, i'll buy you a house in Jamestown and a bullet proof vest.
Here's a little clip of Tobin talking about the seizure of 2 American vessels of the 200 mile limit...this was during the same weekend of the Turbot Wars with Spain.
I'll give Tobin credit....he's a good speaker....he LOVES Canada, not just his home province.....and the boys got balls! 
hwacker @ Wed Jan 25, 2006 11:17 am
Avro Avro:
Two outside chances are Ken Dryden and hold your breath.....Bob Rae.
You can get up now h.

Yeah, elect Bob
VitaminC VitaminC:
Well I certainly do consider rural people in Ontario to be just as bad as rural people in Alberta.....
Actually, I spent about 10 years in rural (and I do mean RURAL) Ontario. It helped me come to the realization than one or two minority individuals/families are "okay" in a town. There seems to be a "critical mass" element to racism - suddenly there is enough of "them" to be "taking away jobs" or whatever other problem "they" are causing.
Sort of like how GunPlumber points out that there may be a Pakistani doctor, or a Chinese business owner in an area and they get along fine.
It's fine if you're a novelty. I'm not entirely sure I am fine with that.
I have to say I can count on one hand the amount of racist incidents I had in ten years in that tiny town as opposed to the near-weekly issues I had in a larger town (small city?). In the last ten years here in Toronto, I may have had 5 or 6 minor issues.
(I don't hear many good things from Sikh friends in Calgary. It seems to be more like the unnamed large town here in Ontario.)
hwacker hwacker:
It's funny that a lot high crime areas are places where immigrants are grouping together. Coincidence?
If you think that's not true, i'll buy you a house in Jamestown and a bullet proof vest.
All the more reason to keep us out of Alberta, no?
hwacker @ Wed Jan 25, 2006 11:30 am
ambivalent ambivalent:
hwacker hwacker:
It's funny that a lot high crime areas are places where immigrants are grouping together. Coincidence?
If you think that's not true, i'll buy you a house in Jamestown and a bullet proof vest.
All the more reason to keep us out of Alberta, no?
Are you saying it's true ?
hwacker hwacker:
Are you saying it's true ?
Anything can be true given the right hypothesis.
So, how long does it take you to build one of those crosses? I'd always wanted to ask that - I mean, it seems like a lot of work to go to when you're just planning to burn it.