why not KICK Quebec out of Canada - once and for all -
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Brenda @ Sat Dec 20, 2008 7:18 pm
Axeman Axeman:
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Never heard of that phenomenon before (in bold), and I'm pretty sure Quebec has it's own immigration policies..
200,000-300,000 Asian immigrants come to Canada every year. Most come to Montreal, Toronto and Vancouver...much larger population growth than domestic Quebeckers can make (of which only slightly over half are French now anyways). Immigration is Federal matter and the Charter guarantees mobility anyway, so Quebec, as much as they'd like to, has no say in immigration.
Hold it right there, friend...
Immigration is a federal matter, BUT Quebec has its own immigration system, and its own paperwork.
Do your research on http://www.cic.gc.ca
I'll even help you a bit...
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/index.asp
what does it say? Skilled workers (which is the largest immigration group) who want to immigrate OUTSIDE Quebec, or INSIDE Quebec...
Pimpbrewski @ Sat Dec 20, 2008 7:31 pm
Brenda Brenda:
Immigration is a federal matter, BUT Quebec has its own immigration system,
Assumed that all immigration was only Federal. Eventhough, Quebec has its own, but it derives from the Federal level.
Brenda @ Sat Dec 20, 2008 7:36 pm
Pimpbrewski Pimpbrewski:
Brenda Brenda:
Immigration is a federal matter, BUT Quebec has its own immigration system,
Assumed that all immigration was only Federal. Eventhough, Quebec has its own, but it derives from the Federal level.
Sure! But I can't land and immigrate to Quebec with my visa.
I guess now I can, as PR, but hey, why even try?
Only the PNP system is provincial (hence "Provincial Nominee Program"), but that is immigration with a work permit.
Skilled worker immigration is Federal.
Pimpbrewski @ Sat Dec 20, 2008 7:40 pm
But, anyone immigrating to Canada can later go to Quebec right?
Not sure on the details here. Only assuming that the Federal Govt determines all immigration matters.
Brenda @ Sat Dec 20, 2008 7:42 pm
Pimpbrewski Pimpbrewski:
But, anyone immigrating to Canada can later go to Quebec right?
Not sure on the details here. Only assuming that the Federal Govt determines all immigration matters.
Not sure on the details here. Only assuming that the Federal Govt determines all immigration matters.
As far as I know, yes, everybody could go to Quebec when they have landed outside of Quebec.
Pimpbrewski @ Sat Dec 20, 2008 7:56 pm
Brenda Brenda:
Pimpbrewski Pimpbrewski:
But, anyone immigrating to Canada can later go to Quebec right?
Not sure on the details here. Only assuming that the Federal Govt determines all immigration matters.
Not sure on the details here. Only assuming that the Federal Govt determines all immigration matters.
As far as I know, yes, everybody could go to Quebec when they have landed outside of Quebec.
Actually, I should get some info before posting.
But you should have come to QC instead of British Columbia, a much better place.
I mean, look at BC, they got nothing. The Lions and Canucks, well... (J/K)
Brenda @ Sat Dec 20, 2008 8:16 pm
Pimpbrewski Pimpbrewski:
Brenda Brenda:
Pimpbrewski Pimpbrewski:
But, anyone immigrating to Canada can later go to Quebec right?
Not sure on the details here. Only assuming that the Federal Govt determines all immigration matters.
Not sure on the details here. Only assuming that the Federal Govt determines all immigration matters.
As far as I know, yes, everybody could go to Quebec when they have landed outside of Quebec.
Actually, I should get some info before posting.
But you should have come to QC instead of British Columbia, a much better place.
I mean, look at BC, they got nothing. The Lions and Canucks, well... (J/K)
Well, dear, I would've, but my French is a bit rusty, AND you refused to offer me a job
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Axeman @ Mon Dec 22, 2008 9:12 am
$1:
Hold it right there, friend...
Immigration is a federal matter, BUT Quebec has its own immigration system, and its own paperwork.
Do your research on http://www.cic.gc.ca
I'll even help you a bit...
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/index.asp
what does it say? Skilled workers (which is the largest immigration group) who want to immigrate OUTSIDE Quebec, or INSIDE Quebec...
Immigration is a federal matter, BUT Quebec has its own immigration system, and its own paperwork.
Do your research on http://www.cic.gc.ca
I'll even help you a bit...
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/index.asp
what does it say? Skilled workers (which is the largest immigration group) who want to immigrate OUTSIDE Quebec, or INSIDE Quebec...
Quebec's so-called Immigration system is REALLY an employment policy, which IS a provincial matter. But it's the Federal Government's providence to handle immigration. Clearly, this is a thinly veiled attempt to try and maintain the French majority, but these policies have no "meat" because, as I said, everyone has mobility rights within Canada as guaranteed under the Charter. It's very interesting to see the lengths that Quebec still goes to to try and maintain the French population. Of course, none of these policies would stand a Constitutional challenge. I wonder why no one's bothered to try?
Brenda @ Mon Dec 22, 2008 9:18 am
Axeman Axeman:
$1:
Hold it right there, friend...
Immigration is a federal matter, BUT Quebec has its own immigration system, and its own paperwork.
Do your research on http://www.cic.gc.ca
I'll even help you a bit...
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/index.asp
what does it say? Skilled workers (which is the largest immigration group) who want to immigrate OUTSIDE Quebec, or INSIDE Quebec...
Immigration is a federal matter, BUT Quebec has its own immigration system, and its own paperwork.
Do your research on http://www.cic.gc.ca
I'll even help you a bit...
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/index.asp
what does it say? Skilled workers (which is the largest immigration group) who want to immigrate OUTSIDE Quebec, or INSIDE Quebec...
Quebec's so-called Immigration system is REALLY an employment policy, which IS a provincial matter. But it's the Federal Government's providence to handle immigration. Clearly, this is a thinly veiled attempt to try and maintain the French majority, but these policies have no "meat" because, as I said, everyone has mobility rights within Canada as guaranteed under the Charter. It's very interesting to see the lengths that Quebec still goes to to try and maintain the French population. Of course, none of these policies would stand a Constitutional challenge. I wonder why no one's bothered to try?
Quebec is the only province you can not immigrate to as skilled worker without a job.
Oh, btw, Kerozine, as Permanent Resident (PR) you can not vote in a federal election (nor Provincial, for all I know, but I thought you could local...). You have to be a citizen for that.
Tricks @ Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:00 am
Axeman Axeman:
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Actually, you DID say something that earned you my hostility...You told me I had no say in the breaking up of my own country...
You're 20...you shouldn't even be allowed to vote or sign contracts yet. Most places, you're not even old enough to buy me a beer.
Fail.
Kerozine @ Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:10 am
Axeman Axeman:
Quebec's so-called Immigration system is REALLY an employment policy, which IS a provincial matter. But it's the Federal Government's providence to handle immigration. Clearly, this is a thinly veiled attempt to try and maintain the French majority, but these policies have no "meat" because, as I said, everyone has mobility rights within Canada as guaranteed under the Charter. It's very interesting to see the lengths that Quebec still goes to to try and maintain the French population. Of course, none of these policies would stand a Constitutional challenge. I wonder why no one's bothered to try?
Nope.
$1:
IMMIGRATION: THE CANADA-QUEBEC ACCORD
INTRODUCTION
On 5 February 1991, the Honourable Barbara McDougall, federal Minister of Employment and Immigration, and Madame Monique Gagnon-Tremblay, Quebec’s ministre des Communautés culturelles et de l’Immigration, signed the Canada-Quebec Accord Relating to Immigration and Temporary Admission of Aliens. It came into force on 1 April 1991. The agreement came on the heels of the failure of the Meech Lake Accord and largely accomplished what would have taken place in the area of immigration had Meech Lake passed. The purpose of this paper is to outline the contents of the Accord, concentrating on those features that differ from the Cullen-Couture Agreement, which it replaced.
BACKGROUND
Canada and Quebec have had immigration agreements since 1971, the 1978 Cullen-Couture Agreement being the third.(1) Under that Agreement, Quebec played a major role with regard to independent immigrants, that is, those selected on the basis of economic and social factors intended to assess their ability to adapt and to contribute to the province. For this purpose, Quebec enacted its own point system, which, while it has many of the same features as the federal system, nevertheless differs in some significant respects. Under the Accord, Quebec’s role with regard to independent immigrants continues, and its right to select all other immigrants to whom selection criteria apply now or might apply in the future is made explicit. In many ways, however, the Accord resembles the former agreement; indeed, one of its preliminary statements is that the Accord is “inspired by the Cullen-Couture Agreement” and it will be remembered that the agreement contemplated by Meech Lake was to “incorporate the principles of the Cullen-Couture agreement …” The provisions governing the delivery of reception and integration services, however, were introduced by the Accord.
Source: http://www.parl.gc.ca/information/libra ... ceptiontxt
INTRODUCTION
On 5 February 1991, the Honourable Barbara McDougall, federal Minister of Employment and Immigration, and Madame Monique Gagnon-Tremblay, Quebec’s ministre des Communautés culturelles et de l’Immigration, signed the Canada-Quebec Accord Relating to Immigration and Temporary Admission of Aliens. It came into force on 1 April 1991. The agreement came on the heels of the failure of the Meech Lake Accord and largely accomplished what would have taken place in the area of immigration had Meech Lake passed. The purpose of this paper is to outline the contents of the Accord, concentrating on those features that differ from the Cullen-Couture Agreement, which it replaced.
BACKGROUND
Canada and Quebec have had immigration agreements since 1971, the 1978 Cullen-Couture Agreement being the third.(1) Under that Agreement, Quebec played a major role with regard to independent immigrants, that is, those selected on the basis of economic and social factors intended to assess their ability to adapt and to contribute to the province. For this purpose, Quebec enacted its own point system, which, while it has many of the same features as the federal system, nevertheless differs in some significant respects. Under the Accord, Quebec’s role with regard to independent immigrants continues, and its right to select all other immigrants to whom selection criteria apply now or might apply in the future is made explicit. In many ways, however, the Accord resembles the former agreement; indeed, one of its preliminary statements is that the Accord is “inspired by the Cullen-Couture Agreement” and it will be remembered that the agreement contemplated by Meech Lake was to “incorporate the principles of the Cullen-Couture agreement …” The provisions governing the delivery of reception and integration services, however, were introduced by the Accord.
Source: http://www.parl.gc.ca/information/libra ... ceptiontxt
I'd say that that was an attempt on your behalf to conduct some 'Quebec bashing' - something I've never before witnessed personally, let alone on the the internets - but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you don't understand its history..
Axeman @ Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:36 am
$1:
I'd say that that was an attempt on your behalf to conduct some 'Quebec bashing' - something I've never before witnessed this personally, let alone on the the internets - but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you don't understand its history..
What I said was not Quebec bashing at all. My point is EXEMPLIFIED by what you've added. Quebec wants to protect its French majority, and has implemented many policies to do so, even policies that are ultra vires its authority to enact, such as its immigration policy. It uses its power over Employment to restrict immigration. That' all I was saying. There was no Quebec bashing and just because you don't understand the Constitution and Law, don't go telling me I don't know history. I guess strawman personal attacks are the norm around here when you either disagree or misunderstand someone. Jeeez.
Brenda @ Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:47 am
Plus... You HAVE to speak French to immigrate to Quebec. In the rest of Canada, it is either/or.
Kerozine @ Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:53 am
Axeman Axeman:
What I said was not Quebec bashing at all. My point is EXEMPLIFIED by what you've added. Quebec wants to protect its French majority, and has implemented many policies to do so, even policies that are ultra vires its authority to enact, such as its immigration policy. It uses its power over Employment to restrict immigration. That' all I was saying. There was no Quebec bashing and just because you don't understand the Constitution and Law, don't go telling me I don't know history. I guess strawman personal attacks are the norm around here when you either disagree or misunderstand someone. Jeeez.
And what's wrong with that?
I would imagine that a person wishing to migrate here is going to have an especially rough time if their French is less than adequate, let alone their level of proficiency in English. The latter of whom restricts them to the West Island & possibly downtown of Montreal. (Canada is such a homogeneous country, eh?)
Coupled with the fact that foreign credentials are hard as it is to recognize, these conditions make for a reasonable immigration policy in ensuring that immigrants are able to become self-sufficient on the get-go.
I'm saying that you don't understand its history, because you don't seem to understand the CONTEXT in which these conditions have been applied. Before this continues any further, are you a Quebecker?
Axeman @ Mon Dec 22, 2008 11:01 am
$1:
I would imagine that a person wishing to migrate here is going to have an especially rough time if their French is less than adequate, let alone their level of proficiency in English. That latter of whom restricts them to the West Island & possibly downtown of Montreal.
I'm saying that you don't understand its history, because you don't seem to understand the CONTEXT in which these conditions have been applied.
I'm saying that you don't understand its history, because you don't seem to understand the CONTEXT in which these conditions have been applied.
Taken out of context? That's exactly what you're doing! You're absolutely right, living in Quebec would be very hard if you didn't have strong French skills. The context of this debate, however, is that the the Immigration Act opened the door for Asian immigration to Canada and that is eroding the French majority in Quebec, meaning that seperatism is less and less likely as the French speaking majority declines. It's also eroding the English majority elsewhere in Canada, but since the rest of Canada hasn't had seperatist leanings, it's not terribly interesting to talk about (though I suppose a lot of folks in Bramladesh, Ontario would disagree with me on that).
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with what Quebec's doing. Quite the opposite; I think Quebeckers should be free to do whatever they please.
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