why not KICK Quebec out of Canada - once and for all -
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Brenda @ Mon Dec 22, 2008 11:06 am
ASIAN immigration? Says who?
Kerozine @ Mon Dec 22, 2008 11:25 am
Axeman Axeman:
Taken out of context? That's exactly what you're doing! You're absolutely right, living in Quebec would be very hard if you didn't have strong French skills. The context of this debate, however, is that the the Immigration Act opened the door for Asian immigration to Canada and that is eroding the French majority in Quebec, meaning that seperatism is less and less likely as the French speaking majority declines. It's also eroding the English majority elsewhere in Canada, but since the rest of Canada hasn't had seperatist leanings, it's not terribly interesting to talk about (though I suppose a lot of folks in Bramladesh, Ontario would disagree with me on that).
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with what Quebec's doing. Quite the opposite; I think Quebeckers should be free to do whatever they please.
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with what Quebec's doing. Quite the opposite; I think Quebeckers should be free to do whatever they please.
OK, references? And are you a Quebecker?
Pimpbrewski @ Mon Dec 22, 2008 11:47 am
Not sure how this thread turned into an immigration matter. 
Either way, if we only allow French speaking immigrants, that does not constitute much.
I do not have a problem at diversification. For instance, We had Irish immigration some time ago as an example, they intergrated quite nicely into Quebec.
CommanderSock @ Mon Dec 22, 2008 12:50 pm
$1:
Not sure how this thread turned into an immigration matter.
Either way, if we only allow French speaking immigrants, that does not constitute much.
I do not have a problem at diversification. For instance, We had Irish immigration some time ago as an example, they intergrated quite nicely into Quebec.
Either way, if we only allow French speaking immigrants, that does not constitute much.
I do not have a problem at diversification. For instance, We had Irish immigration some time ago as an example, they intergrated quite nicely into Quebec.
Not much diversification there. The Irish are catholics (like the Quebecers) and shared Quebecers hate for the english. Of course they will settle in nicely. Haitians, Moroccans etc have nothing in common with Quebecers other than common language so it's not just a matter of settling in, its a matter of being accepted by general society. Also the Irish came in much larger numbers. If immigrants did that today there'd be a revolt.
Mustang1 @ Mon Dec 22, 2008 12:55 pm
Kerozine Kerozine:
I'm saying that you don't understand its history, because you don't seem to understand the CONTEXT in which these conditions have been applied. Before this continues any further, are you a Quebecker?
I'll bite, what part of its history are we missing?
CommanderSock @ Mon Dec 22, 2008 12:56 pm
$1:
Taken out of context? That's exactly what you're doing! You're absolutely right, living in Quebec would be very hard if you didn't have strong French skills. The context of this debate, however, is that the the Immigration Act opened the door for Asian immigration to Canada and that is eroding the French majority in Quebec, meaning that seperatism is less and less likely as the French speaking majority declines. It's also eroding the English majority elsewhere in Canada, but since the rest of Canada hasn't had seperatist leanings, it's not terribly interesting to talk about (though I suppose a lot of folks in Bramladesh, Ontario would disagree with me on that).
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with what Quebec's doing. Quite the opposite; I think Quebeckers should be free to do whatever they please.
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with what Quebec's doing. Quite the opposite; I think Quebeckers should be free to do whatever they please.
Yes they are. Yes they certainly are. But people will continue to immigrate to Quebec from the rest of Canada if they feel like it. Because, as Quebecers are free to do what they like, so are Canadian citizens who are not of European background
Kerozine @ Mon Dec 22, 2008 1:13 pm
Mustang1 Mustang1:
I'll bite, what part of its history are we missing?
Events since the 'Quiet Revolution' and the subsequent nationalism that had risen since. (e.g. Bill 101 & immigrants, Anglo-Franco relations, class struggles, etc.)
Pimpbrewski @ Mon Dec 22, 2008 1:20 pm
CommanderSock CommanderSock:
Not much diversification there. The Irish are catholics (like the Quebecers) and shared Quebecers hate for the english. Of course they will settle in nicely. .
Meant diversification more as in Anglos.
CommanderSock CommanderSock:
Haitians, Moroccans etc have nothing in common with Quebecers other than common language so it's not just a matter of settling in, its a matter of being accepted by general society. Also the Irish came in much larger numbers. If immigrants did that today there'd be a revolt.
Only look at Montreal Nord. Sure, that's intergration at its best. That's sarcasm in case you did not notice.
Montreal North riots
Mustang1 @ Mon Dec 22, 2008 1:22 pm
Kerozine Kerozine:
Mustang1 Mustang1:
I'll bite, what part of its history are we missing?
Events since the 'Quiet Revolution' and the subsequent nationalism that had risen since. (e.g. Bill 101 & immigrants, Anglo-Franco relations, class struggles, etc.)
And with it hypocritical nationalistic exclusivity. Quebec Nationalists are the worst kinds of hypocrites - the use Sec. 33, ignore plebiscites - as they routinely commit acts they claim the ROC allegedly does.
I'd keep Quebec and turf the separatists.
Kerozine @ Mon Dec 22, 2008 1:27 pm
Mustang1 Mustang1:
And with it hypocritical nationalistic exclusivity. Quebec Nationalists are the worst kinds of hypocrites - the use Sec. 33, ignore plebiscites - as they routinely commit acts they claim the ROC allegedly does.
I'd keep Quebec and turf the separatists.
I'd keep Quebec and turf the separatists.
Hmm..
Are you from err.. Brockville, ON?
CommanderSock @ Mon Dec 22, 2008 1:28 pm
Pimpbrewski Pimpbrewski:
CommanderSock CommanderSock:
Not much diversification there. The Irish are catholics (like the Quebecers) and shared Quebecers hate for the english. Of course they will settle in nicely. .
Meant diversification more as in Anglos.
CommanderSock CommanderSock:
Haitians, Moroccans etc have nothing in common with Quebecers other than common language so it's not just a matter of settling in, its a matter of being accepted by general society. Also the Irish came in much larger numbers. If immigrants did that today there'd be a revolt.
Only look at Montreal Nord. Sure, that's intergration at its best. That's sarcasm in case you did not notice.
Montreal North riots
Quebec just reminds me so much of France. In france, people are EXTREMELY arrogant. Arrogance drips from their cute hairs. If you're not white, you're not welcome in many restaurants, and no way in hell will you ever dine good in paris.
Will not get job at all, that's guaranteed, hence to "suburbs". Even if immigrants (non whites) have good education, they will be snubbed at the job bank for 'their own'. This was the mentality the French had used to try and destroy Algeria and turn it into "New France" (Jean Marie LePenn was a big fan of Algeria but he hates Algerians and still hopes that one day france will reclaim it).
I'm not a Quebeker, but if Quebekers treat non white foreigners like the French do, I'm not surprised there's so riots. There are no riots in Toronto, and it's far more diverse than Montreal.
Pimpbrewski @ Mon Dec 22, 2008 1:28 pm
Mustang1 Mustang1:
I'd keep Quebec and turf the separatists.
Send all the separatists to Alberta.
Mustang1 @ Mon Dec 22, 2008 1:35 pm
Kerozine Kerozine:
Mustang1 Mustang1:
And with it hypocritical nationalistic exclusivity. Quebec Nationalists are the worst kinds of hypocrites - the use Sec. 33, ignore plebiscites - as they routinely commit acts they claim the ROC allegedly does.
I'd keep Quebec and turf the separatists.
I'd keep Quebec and turf the separatists.
Hmm..
Are you from err.. Brockville, ON?
Err...no and this matters how?
Mustang1 @ Mon Dec 22, 2008 1:36 pm
Pimpbrewski Pimpbrewski:
Mustang1 Mustang1:
I'd keep Quebec and turf the separatists.
Send all the separatists to Alberta.
Kerozine @ Mon Dec 22, 2008 1:41 pm
Mustang1 Mustang1:
Kerozine Kerozine:
Mustang1 Mustang1:
And with it hypocritical nationalistic exclusivity. Quebec Nationalists are the worst kinds of hypocrites - the use Sec. 33, ignore plebiscites - as they routinely commit acts they claim the ROC allegedly does.
I'd keep Quebec and turf the separatists.
I'd keep Quebec and turf the separatists.
Hmm..
Are you from err.. Brockville, ON?
Err...no and this matters how?
Oh, it's just what you wrote reminds me of something that happened in that town a long time ago.
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