why not KICK Quebec out of Canada - once and for all -
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CommanderSock @ Mon Dec 22, 2008 1:43 pm
http://lifeinmotion.wordpress.com/2008/ ... in-quebec/
This blog hits the nail right on the head. This is the 'mentality' of European francophones everywhere I have seen (France - Tolouse and Paris and Quebec - Quebec City)
$1:
I remember going to a “Quebecois” school in Quebec where I first learned about racial discrimination when I was younger. The difference between a “Canadian” school and a Quebecois school in Quebec is the Quebecois school generally have separatist influences, they are relatively less diverse than the Canadian schools, there is no trace of anything distinctly Canadian, and there is no assistance to students who do not speak French as a native language.
Canadian schools, on the other hand, had a diverse student body, had some programmes for non-French speaking students, and put down racism in their school by promoting multiculturalism. My early experiences were both at a Canadian and Quebecois school where I spent 2 years in each school when I was young.
The first instance of racism I experienced at a Quebec school called Ecole Samuel-De Champlain, was when I was entering the school in the morning. While I was walking to class, some French kid kept making “Ching-Chang-Chong” noises while looking at me. The kids that were around me simply ignored it as if it was normal while a handful laughed. At another instance, some French kids beat me up, trashed the things in my bookbag, and told me to “Go back to China” in French because they felt immigrants were taking his parents’ jobs or diluting the Quebecois spirit.
Then there was that second grade teacher named Sylvie. At that time she was in her late thirties, and I learned later that her husband was unemployed. I knew when I was younger I was a bit of a troublemaker, but I always thought it was strange how she would only give stern warnings to the White kids in the class while throwing me out of her class for the entire day when I did something wrong. This was strange because I did similar things to the other kids, but I got a harsher punishment and she never called me back to class once she threw me out.
I think these things were related to immigration and that’s why I get disgusted when people opposed to immigration rabidly deny that the issue has a racist element to it. I can definitely say, it has a racist element since I had the luxury of experiencing it first-hand in Quebec, Canada.
I really don’t like talking about this part of my life but it is a crude reminder of who I am. It’s also a reason why I unlearned the French language, abandoned my Catholic faith, and one of the reasons why it took several years to come to terms with myself.
My experiences in America are much better than Quebec. Although there is more ignorance than rampant racism here compared to Quebec, I want to do what I can to eliminate negative racial stereotypes and explore what it means to be Asian-American.
Canadian schools, on the other hand, had a diverse student body, had some programmes for non-French speaking students, and put down racism in their school by promoting multiculturalism. My early experiences were both at a Canadian and Quebecois school where I spent 2 years in each school when I was young.
The first instance of racism I experienced at a Quebec school called Ecole Samuel-De Champlain, was when I was entering the school in the morning. While I was walking to class, some French kid kept making “Ching-Chang-Chong” noises while looking at me. The kids that were around me simply ignored it as if it was normal while a handful laughed. At another instance, some French kids beat me up, trashed the things in my bookbag, and told me to “Go back to China” in French because they felt immigrants were taking his parents’ jobs or diluting the Quebecois spirit.
Then there was that second grade teacher named Sylvie. At that time she was in her late thirties, and I learned later that her husband was unemployed. I knew when I was younger I was a bit of a troublemaker, but I always thought it was strange how she would only give stern warnings to the White kids in the class while throwing me out of her class for the entire day when I did something wrong. This was strange because I did similar things to the other kids, but I got a harsher punishment and she never called me back to class once she threw me out.
I think these things were related to immigration and that’s why I get disgusted when people opposed to immigration rabidly deny that the issue has a racist element to it. I can definitely say, it has a racist element since I had the luxury of experiencing it first-hand in Quebec, Canada.
I really don’t like talking about this part of my life but it is a crude reminder of who I am. It’s also a reason why I unlearned the French language, abandoned my Catholic faith, and one of the reasons why it took several years to come to terms with myself.
My experiences in America are much better than Quebec. Although there is more ignorance than rampant racism here compared to Quebec, I want to do what I can to eliminate negative racial stereotypes and explore what it means to be Asian-American.
Pimpbrewski @ Mon Dec 22, 2008 1:48 pm
CommanderSock CommanderSock:
Quebec just reminds me so much of France. In france, people are EXTREMELY arrogant. Arrogance drips from their cute hairs. If you're not white, you're not welcome in many restaurants, and no way in hell will you ever dine good in paris.
I'm not a Quebeker,
I'm not a Quebeker,
1st of all, Quebec is nothing like France.
You can go ahead and call Quebecer arrogant or whatever. But the latter is correct, you don't even live in the province and probably never been in QC.
All you probably know about the French and Quebecers is what you have seen in the news or read in the newspaper. The fact is, that many immigrants come to a new country, or province for this instance, and do not want to adapt to the local culture or traditions. I have seen many being tolerant, but they do not like seeing newcomers have to change everything in their new ''adoptive'' place in the process.
*edit* or better yet from a fucking blog of all things. Get serious !!!
French Riots 2005 Immigrants caused these riots and not the other way around.
Kerozine @ Mon Dec 22, 2008 1:53 pm
Google says that that's a school in the suburbs (Brossard, QC). So, meh, it happens.
One striking difference between Quebec schools and those elsewhere in Canada is that the national anthem isn't played on the PA system every morning. 
CommanderSock @ Mon Dec 22, 2008 2:04 pm
$1:
1st of all, Quebec is nothing like France.
You can go ahead and call Quebecer arrogant or whatever. But the latter is correct, you don't even live in the province and probably never been in QC.
All you probably know about the French and Quebecers is what you have seen in the news or read in the newspaper. The fact is, that many immigrants come to a new country, or province for this instance, and do not want to adapt to the local culture or traditions. I have seen many being tolerant, but they do not want to have newcomers have to change everything in their new ''adoptive'' place in the process.
*edit* or better yet from a fucking blog of all things. Get serious !!!
French Riots 2005 Immigrants caused these riots.
You can go ahead and call Quebecer arrogant or whatever. But the latter is correct, you don't even live in the province and probably never been in QC.
All you probably know about the French and Quebecers is what you have seen in the news or read in the newspaper. The fact is, that many immigrants come to a new country, or province for this instance, and do not want to adapt to the local culture or traditions. I have seen many being tolerant, but they do not want to have newcomers have to change everything in their new ''adoptive'' place in the process.
*edit* or better yet from a fucking blog of all things. Get serious !!!
French Riots 2005 Immigrants caused these riots.
I've been to France, too much for my liking to be honest. I've also been to Quebec city since my GF was from there. France is distinctly worse than QC was. In France, I could simply feel unwelcome. I'm speaking in all honesty, it's everywhere. People are rude as fuck. It's nothing like Toronto or even it's small town suburbs. It's almost a planet of its own. A planet with people who are extremely xenophobic. You can say all you want, and post all the vids of French immigrants rioting, but it will not change the underlying factors behind the riots. It will not!
It will not change the fact that youth of non european descent in france are blatantly discriminated against in the job market, it will not change the fact that the French still dream of African colonialism, it will not change the fact that they are extremely nationalistic, and will do whatever they can to marginalize those who they see as outsiders. I've seen this shit first hand far too often. Just last year I went to Paris with my company. I went to dinner at a restaurant. I asked a waitress for directions because I didn't know how to get to a certain place. I was with my indian friend. She looked me up and down, looked him up and down, said abselutely nothing (even though she spoke english), she went to the back and spoke with a man for while, he looked me up and down, then he looked at my friend up and down (with a dirty screwface), she came back said "no". Not sorry i don't know, just "no". Just walking into restaurants with my work buddy would cause stares, I guess we're not allowed in posh restaurants France.
Many people in France just don't like foreigners, but they feel a 'guilt' over what was done in Africa (which is where most immigrants are from) by France. They allow Africans in France, but don't want them involved in their everyday society. Sounds alot like apartheid/segregation to me. That is what the 'suburbs' are. A place of blacks and muslims to stay, so we don't see them too often.
I have been to Montreal but not enough to make the same judgement as for QC. But once again, I ask you, why are there no immigrant riots in Toronto, which is far more diverse than Montreal?
*edit* in fact why is there no riots in Markham in Toronto where 37% of the population is Chinese (far higher than the 25% immigrant population in Montreal North)?? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markham,_Ontario
Why no riots in Brampton Ontario where so many are Indian/Pakistani Sri Lankan?
My favourite...why no riots in Scarborough Toronto, perhaps the most impoverished area of Toronto, and also an area where almost 50% is not white? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Visib ... orough.png)?
Why no riots Pimpw? Why not? Why in Paris? Why in Montral? They're not more diverse than Toronto.
Kerozine @ Mon Dec 22, 2008 2:09 pm
Diversity. (A diverse enough minority so that there cannot be a plurality of a specific subgroup).
Mustang1 @ Mon Dec 22, 2008 2:13 pm
Kerozine Kerozine:
Oh, it's just what you wrote reminds me of something that happened in that town a long time ago. 
It must've been an event of intellectual enlightenment.
Pimpbrewski @ Mon Dec 22, 2008 2:16 pm
Also, only wanted to say, I do not necessarily agree with the 101 bill, not in the way it is set up.
I have no problem with Anglos settling in the province. They will eventually learn French. The Irish was only used for instance because they settled in QC and have been able to adapt.
I also do not agree with the politics of the Bloc or PQ. They have used propaganda for years in order to convince some Quebecers that their way is the only solution. But again, that does not represent all Quebecers. Replace the media here in QC and there would be significant changes as for separatism views, that's for sure.
Kerozine @ Mon Dec 22, 2008 2:16 pm
Mustang1 Mustang1:
It must've been an event of intellectual enlightenment.
Quite the contrary, actually.
Kerozine @ Mon Dec 22, 2008 2:18 pm
Pimpbrewski Pimpbrewski:
Also, only wanted to say, I do not necessarily agree with the 101 bill, not in the way it is set up.
I have no problem with Anglos settling in the province. They will eventually learn French. The Irish was only used for instance because they settled in QC and have been able to adapt.
I also do not agree with the politics of the Bloc or PQ. They have used propaganda for years in order to convince some Quebecers that their way is the only solution. But again, that does not represent all Quebecers. Replace the media here in QC and there would be significant changes as for separatism views, that's for sure.
I have no problem with Anglos settling in the province. They will eventually learn French. The Irish was only used for instance because they settled in QC and have been able to adapt.
I also do not agree with the politics of the Bloc or PQ. They have used propaganda for years in order to convince some Quebecers that their way is the only solution. But again, that does not represent all Quebecers. Replace the media here in QC and there would be significant changes as for separatism views, that's for sure.
Not so much to do with the media as there is with what is said and done in other parts of the country. (e.g. Brockville, ON)
Brenda @ Mon Dec 22, 2008 2:19 pm
Mustang1 Mustang1:
Kerozine Kerozine:
Oh, it's just what you wrote reminds me of something that happened in that town a long time ago.
It must've been an event of intellectual enlightenment.
Ya gotta love the sarcasm
CommanderSock @ Mon Dec 22, 2008 2:23 pm
Pimpbrewski Pimpbrewski :
I have no problem with Anglos settling in the province. They will eventually learn French. The Irish was only used for instance because they settled in QC and have been able to adapt.
Thats a typical thing a white supremacist would say. But god bless ya anyways.
Quebec will change, whether Quebecers like it or not. They will never seperate because immigrant groups (like Chinese for example) will keep voting to keep it in. Every province will change, its normal. Things change, evolve, progress. The OP is an idiot, but Quebec will not remain this nationalistic because ultimately you cannot be a nationalistic province. You can be a nationalistic country, but no province or state. Evan many rural Texans who still refer to Texas as it's own 'country' know that it is part of a sum that makes a larger piece. Quebec will remain in Canada, with or without Haitians or Chinese settles. With or without the French language.
Mustang1 @ Mon Dec 22, 2008 2:26 pm
Kerozine Kerozine:
Mustang1 Mustang1:
It must've been an event of intellectual enlightenment.
Quite the contrary, actually.
Says you - my comments, despite nothing from you, are quite accurate. I've noticed you've done nothing to call them into question.
Pimpbrewski @ Mon Dec 22, 2008 2:37 pm
CommanderSock CommanderSock:
Pimpbrewski Pimpbrewski :
I have no problem with Anglos settling in the province. They will eventually learn French. The Irish was only used for instance because they settled in QC and have been able to adapt.
Thats a typical thing a white supremacist would say. But god bless ya anyways.
Quebec will change, whether Quebecers like it or not. They will never seperate because immigrant groups (like Chinese for example) will keep voting to keep it in. Every province will change, its normal. Things change, evolve, progress. The OP is an idiot, but Quebec will not remain this nationalistic because ultimately you cannot be a nationalistic province. You can be a nationalistic country, but no province or state. Evan many rural Texans who still refer to Texas as it's own 'country' know that it is part of a sum that makes a larger piece. Quebec will remain in Canada, with or without Haitians or Chinese settles. With or without the French language.
Say what!!!
I have not said a thing about any particular ethnic groups at all. More like you going on the defensive.
Also, if you don't like Quebec, hey I could care less. After all, it's your opinion. This thread has nothing to do about immigration, yet you have turned this into a caucasian bashing thread.
CommanderSock @ Mon Dec 22, 2008 2:44 pm
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Say what!!!
I have not said a thing about any particular ethnic groups at all. More like you going on the defensive.
Also, if you don't like Quebec, hey I could care less. After all, it's your opinion. This thread has nothing to do about immigration, yet you have turned this into a caucasian bashing thread.
I have not said a thing about any particular ethnic groups at all. More like you going on the defensive.
Also, if you don't like Quebec, hey I could care less. After all, it's your opinion. This thread has nothing to do about immigration, yet you have turned this into a caucasian bashing thread.
Whoaaaa there, no caucasian bashing anything, I can't bash caucasians even if I wanted to. I was wondering why you're so eager to invite Anglos, but so much against all the others, that's all. Nothing defensive there.
Its not that I don't like Quebec, I don't mind it at all, and it has produced plenty of beautiful GFs for me with sexy French accents. But this whole separatist threat thing is silly. Listening to Duceppe make an ass of himself during the debates is an example, all other leaders are discussing how to make Canada better (or bashing Harper), while Duceppe was talking about how to get more money to Quebec.
While I do not sympathize with the OP, we cannot really have one province hold the rest of the country for ransom. 8 Billion in xfer payments? For what? Quebec should be pulled down to a level of the other provinces, because it is just that, "another province". French or no French. White or non white. Haitian and Moroccans or not. Quebec is just another province. And as such, it deserves to be treated!
Pimpbrewski @ Mon Dec 22, 2008 2:57 pm
CommanderSock CommanderSock:
But this whole separatist threat thing is silly. Listening to Duceppe make an ass of himself during the debates is an example, all other leaders are discussing how to make Canada better (or bashing Harper), while Duceppe was talking about how to get more money to Quebec.
And please find one post where I have supported Duceppe or the PQ. Wanna bet a cool hundred on that.
Perhaps you should look at all of my posts from the very beginning too. At this point, it seems that you like arguing simply for the sake of it. I have never agreed that Quebec should always get more than anyone else. I am a known Federalist, that means that I have never voted for the Bloc or PQ for that matter. I have never supported sovereignty for the province either. Quebecers can be proud Canadians as well.
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