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Thanks, I agree with what your saying now. Alberta doesn't owe anything to anyone, it got where it is with hard work from Canadians. Right on, about work I already have a summer job lined up in Stewart, BC for a silver exploration company, so that's probably where I'll end up this summer, that or back in Red Lake, ON for gold exploration. But once I graduate I have my mind set on Alberta

   

I would like to see equalization payments lowered. But that's JMHO.

   

So, from what I understand, you support seperating from Canada because you are a have province, and pay the way for have not provinces?

So in your humble opinion, do British Columbia, Ontario and Saskatchewan all have reason to leave Confederation?


In terms of equalization payments:

These payments are to be used to stimulate a provinces economy, thus making them become a have province. I do not see our taxes being used that way. Hopefully this will change in years to come.

   

I'd like to hear your defintion of a "large majority",... I'm betting you don't even understand the concept of "simple majority" since none of the Federal Liberals elected in Edmonton in the last 12 years (with the exception of Dave Kilgour) have ever polled a simple majority in their ridings. As it is, from 1993 - 2000, those Edmonton area ridings where a Liberal won, it was simply because the right wing vote was split between two strong conservative choices. Anne McLellan has earned the sarcastic nickname (from her Liberal colleagues no less), Landslide Annie, for the slim margins of her victories. And if the spilt right didn't give her enough of an advantage, the Liberals constant gerrymandering of Edmonton's electoral boundaries certainly should put her over the top. Yet her victories are usually by margins of 200 - 400 votes in ridings that consistently poll 40000+ electors.

Of course, none of this is going to matter come January 24th. No amount of electoral interference on the Liberal's part is going to help Annie this time. Elected Liberals in Edmonton are about to become as rare as intelligent and honest debate from Liberals on this board,... that is to say non-existent.



Which is why Liberals are as popular in these parts as salt at a slug convention.

   

Lily,

The Charlotetown Accord did not fail because of sections relating to an elected Senate. The "distinct society" clause gave Quebec special recognition above every other province and gave the Government of Quebec the authority to ignore laws that applied to every other region of this country (e.g., " The Official Languages Act" forces bilingualism on the english-speaking majority, but would have made Quebec's Bill 101 unilingualism legislation unassailable). No wonder that the majority of Canadians voted against it.

The double majority section would have basically entrenched special status on elected official from Quebec, to the disbenefit of politicians from every other region of this country. If you think the constant appeasement of Quebec, with no real benefit to the rest of Canada, is a bad thing when it falls in the realm of currying political favour, imagine how much worse the situation would be if it had been entrenched in law that Quebec and Quebecers deserve special recognition, rights and powers which are not accorded to the majority that is not Quebec.

In the end, the chief flaw of the Charlottetown Accord was that it was simply too ambitious. Rather than fix "problems" one by one, it attempted to fix everything all at once. From that perspective, it is hardly surprising the measure failed.

However, it is misleading to imply that the adoption of the Accord would have moved us towards an equal and elected senate, since the Senators from Quebec would have authority not granted to their colleagues from the rest of this country. In effect, the senators from Quebec would have been more than equal. That, in my mind, would be no better than the sham that our current Senate is.

   

Derby just a little aside but Paul Martin was never really "cleared" as you put it. What Gomery found was that there was not enough evidence "at this time" to proceed with any criminal investigation.

You must admit "not enough evidence" and not guilty are really quite different, remember OJ?

As for why to stay in Canada, how about so those of us presently stuck in Ontario due to our job can move back out west when we retire without having to immigrate to a new country. Also, we need Alberta to constantly keep harping at the east, which may one day actually wake up easterners to the damage the liberals have caused to this nation. Separatism on the rise in Quebec, and being discussed in Alberta, way to go liberals. Bringing the country together as usual!

Could not resist jabs at the liberal party.

   

One reform to the electoral process in Canada that could help resolve the problem of people being elected with minority votes would be run-off elections. We do this all the time in non-partisan elections.

You have an election with say, eight candidates and the two top vote-getters have 30% of the vote between them.

Now you have another election where the two of them face off and one of them has to get a majority.

I doubt your Liberals would like this, but I'm sure everyone else would.

   

exactly the change I would like to see Bart, well maybe not a run-off as such but a transferrable vote system where you rank the candidates rather than just vote for 1

   

The ranked system has been tried in California and it seems that the people prefer the run-off as that allows for debates and political alliances to form.

For instance:

Tories and Libs may debate on where they stand on their issues - but in a run-off campaign they can state where they stand on issues important to, say, Quebecers, Greens, or etc. and then the voters from the parties not represented in the run-off will be better informed about who they are voting for.

   

Hey Albertans , join our very selected club of the most hated canadians in the country by seperating yourself from the R.O.C ! Canada is a very hypocrite country full of racist red necks...they claim that they love you (like they did in 1995 in the street of Montréal before the referendum) but as soon as threat is over , it's "let's get back to our French Québecois bashing!!!"The national sport of Canada ! (forget hockey) bashing the French is our beloved national sport and our superstar is Don Cherry! Now the problem with that is that some of you Albertans are also practising that sport...If i would be a hard line supporter of a strong united Canada and a blind lover of that country (like Trudeau was), i would ask myself: " why in the world i love that country for ? I'm French, they are English and on top of that, they hate me! (and if they don't , well they act & speak like they do). We are treated like conquered people and not equal to the rest of canadians even though we are peacefull and not agressive toward our ex-ennemy ! Why then i love that country so much ? maybe because it's our country after all and maybe just maybe we should take it back..." BOOM! another separatist arise among the Québecois nation !!! Unfortunetly, not all the French think like that...otherwise it would be a long time now that we would have been a country.Some were paid and some are still paid to promote the federation (the liberals). some are cowards or are irresponsible but some are very courageous (the separatist) to go against the tide and face the criticism of others and to still be democratic after the cheating behavior of the Federalists toward democracy. Some countrymen of other nations has taken the arms for less then that... You Canadians can scream loud that the USA are becoming anti-democratic but you should look at yourself before doing so...

   

Just a little paranoid, don't you think, I for one don't hate the Quebec people, separhatist or not.

Quebec is a beautifull province and the Quebec people I met and talked to were very friendly.

I think you need to get out and smell the roses.

   

I'd like the run-off system as well but I dunno how the public would react to having to vote twice or more, and it'd effectively double the cost of elections

   

"Quote" Just a little paranoid, don't you think, I for one don't hate the Quebec people, separhatist or not.

Quebec is a beautifull province and the Quebec people I met and talked to were very friendly.

I think you need to get out and smell the roses.


just a little paranoid are the canadians as well...don't you think, I for one don't hate the canadian people, against separation or not.

Canada is a beautifull country and its people i met and talked to were very friendly...once my back was turn, that was a different story (especialy if they knew that you are a pround Frenchman and strongly attach to your culture which, you got to admit , is different from yours even if we share the same land ) Now as for smelling the roses...it's -20 here and there is 40cm of snow outside...

   

I notice you conveniently left out the other half of my post, stating that almost the entire provincial opposition is from Edmonton or its suburbs...and it has been this way for DECADES...apparently you've no clue to Edmonton's voting habits or you'd know that the city favours Liberals and NDP (my mistake for not stating it clearly), which is what I meant, not just the Libs. Edmonton votes farther to the left than anywhere else in Alberta we have had the MPs and MLAs to prove it.

   

Each province is quite different. Places like Toronto has culture from all around the world coming out of it's "ass" Why focus on some differences when we can focus on living and what you're going to do tommorow. Would you consider it wise to refrain from giving provinces personalities and such and focus more on that promotion, your family, or your religious organization etc?

   

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