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Oh I believe quebec should have distinct status. But the idea that it must come with more powers please explain to me why? I'm really want to know.<br /> <br /> And are you a separatist? If yes are you on the extreme side or are you simply a nationalist?<br /> <br /> If you were 17 during meech then you would have been 22 during the referendum,eh? Did you vote yes?

   

[QUOTE BY= dino] Oh I believe quebec should have distinct status. But the idea that it must come with more powers please explain to me why? I'm really want to know.<br /> <br /> And are you a separatist? If yes are you on the extreme side or are you simply a nationalist?<br /> <br /> If you were 17 during meech then you would have been 22 during the referendum,eh? Did you vote yes?[/QUOTE]I am a sovereignist (separatist) and I have voted yes in 1995. I will try to give you the most precised picture of our (sovereignists) way to see the future of Canada as it should be.<br /> <br /> First of all, we must be careful in the way we name the issue of "getting more power".<br /> <br /> Before I become a separatist, I was a sort of federalist Quebec nationalist. I saw Meech like a good compromise for Québec to stay in Canada. The special status would have giving us enough tools to protect our interests and at the same time, we would keep the country united. I was both astonished and frustrated that Meech didn't work out. It is when I spoke to Westerners that I finally understood why Meech failed.<br /> <br /> I do not believe a compromise is possible within the actual federation. Otherwise, Meech would have been done by now. Wether it is true or not, an agreement like Meech will always gives the other provinces the feeling that Québec has an advantage over them.<br /> <br /> It is when I looked at the European Union that I understood what could be a workable solution for Canada.<br /> <br /> In Europe, several nation-states have built a new confederation. The difference between a confederation and a federation is simple.<br /> <br /> Federation: A dominant central state having few lower regional states with few powers.<br /> <br /> Confederation: Several sovereign states dealing with each other to have so points in common. The central gov't is dominated by the states and if a state can't agree with the others, either they continu to negociate, or it may leaves.<br /> <br /> Tyhe bigger a federation is, the greater is the difficulty to sustain it. Regional matters can become abstract from a central government. If the cultural differences between the regions are big, the federation will need more special status to each one to make sure everyone feel to have his place in that federation. Belgium (French and Dutch?) and Switzerland (French and Germanics) are two federations having multiple cultural differences and special status to make sure everyone has its place.<br /> <br /> The EU is a confederation having several states of different models, symbolic monarchies (G-B, Sweden), republics (France, Finland) and federations (Germany, Belgium, Switzerland). This is how I see the future of Canada. A Canadian Union having Quebec as a republic and English Canada as a ... it could be a federation of 9 provinces, it could be 4 ou 5 different sovereign regional states or simply 9 sovereign states.<br /> <br /> Some federalists in Quebec still believe it is possible to get agreement with the ROC of a federalism having Quebec as a special status. I don't. If so, it would have been done long time ago.<br /> <br /> So our plan is to get sovereign first. Once we get our sovereignty, we try to reach an agreement with the English Canada for having something similar to the EU. Since we have a better experience of living together and since we are only two nations, it should be easier than the Europeans. This said, I have not talked about the natives yet. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/eek.gif' alt='Eek!'> <br /> <br /> A sovereignist is someone that wants control over the destiny of its own nation, master of its own land. So as a sovereignist, I am ready to take the chance of getting fully separate from Canada if the negociations fail but, my first goal is to have a EU-like for Canada.<br /> <br /> The main reason why I do believe that it is not possible for Quebec to get a special status within the actual federation is, it is against its own nature for a central government to lose power and give it to one of its own province. As long as Quebec will not have a political tool like sovereignty to negociate, the central government will NEVER be willing to accept any proposition. Ottawa has just one word to say and nothing will change and it will never be in danger of keeping it this way. This word is no.<br /> <br /> So if Québec has its sovereignty and a no from Ottawa leads Québec to separation, then and only then Ottawa will start to care about Québec and be afraid of losing it. If Ottawa do not fear to lose Québec, it will never care.<br /> <br /> I always laugh when I see a cue less so-called-federalist pretending the separatist are evils who want to destroy the country. They don't even want to know what are our real motivations. Unlike the real federalists. Sovereignists and real federalists are no far from each other politically. They both agree that united, we are stronger but, it is the kind of union we do not agree on.<br /> <br /> I hope this helps you to understand the sovereignist (separatist) point of view.

   

[QUOTE BY= Benz] [QUOTE BY= dino] Oh I believe quebec should have distinct status. But the idea that it must come with more powers please explain to me why? I'm really want to know.<br /> <br /> And are you a separatist? If yes are you on the extreme side or are you simply a nationalist?<br /> <br /> If you were 17 during meech then you would have been 22 during the referendum,eh? Did you vote yes?[/QUOTE]I am a sovereignist (separatist) and I have voted yes in 1995. I will try to give you the most precised picture of our (sovereignists) way to see the future of Canada as it should be.<br /> <br /> First of all, we must be careful in the way we name the issue of "getting more power".<br /> <br /> Before I become a separatist, I was a sort of federalist Quebec nationalist. I saw Meech like a good compromise for Québec to stay in Canada. The special status would have giving us enough tools to protect our interests and at the same time, we would keep the country united. I was both astonished and frustrated that Meech didn't work out. It is when I spoke to Westerners that I finally understood why Meech failed.<br /> <br /> I do not believe a compromise is possible within the actual federation. Otherwise, Meech would have been done by now. Wether it is true or not, an agreement like Meech will always gives the other provinces the feeling that Québec has an advantage over them.<br /> <br /> It is when I looked at the European Union that I understood what could be a workable solution for Canada.<br /> <br /> In Europe, several nation-states have built a new confederation. The difference between a confederation and a federation is simple.<br /> <br /> Federation: A dominant central state having few lower regional states with few powers.<br /> <br /> Confederation: Several sovereign states dealing with each other to have so points in common. The central gov't is dominated by the states and if a state can't agree with the others, either they continu to negociate, or it may leaves.<br /> <br /> Tyhe bigger a federation is, the greater is the difficulty to sustain it. Regional matters can become abstract from a central government. If the cultural differences between the regions are big, the federation will need more special status to each one to make sure everyone feel to have his place in that federation. Belgium (French and Dutch?) and Switzerland (French and Germanics) are two federations having multiple cultural differences and special status to make sure everyone has its place.<br /> <br /> The EU is a confederation having several states of different models, symbolic monarchies (G-B, Sweden), republics (France, Finland) and federations (Germany, Belgium, Switzerland). This is how I see the future of Canada. A Canadian Union having Quebec as a republic and English Canada as a ... it could be a federation of 9 provinces, it could be 4 ou 5 different sovereign regional states or simply 9 sovereign states.<br /> <br /> Some federalists in Quebec still believe it is possible to get agreement with the ROC of a federalism having Quebec as a special status. I don't. If so, it would have been done long time ago.<br /> <br /> So our plan is to get sovereign first. Once we get our sovereignty, we try to reach an agreement with the English Canada for having something similar to the EU. Since we have a better experience of living together and since we are only two nations, it should be easier than the Europeans. This said, I have not talked about the natives yet. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/eek.gif' alt='Eek!'> <br /> <br /> A sovereignist is someone that wants control over the destiny of its own nation, master of its own land. So as a sovereignist, I am ready to take the chance of getting fully separate from Canada if the negociations fail but, my first goal is to have a EU-like for Canada.<br /> <br /> The main reason why I do believe that it is not possible for Quebec to get a special status within the actual federation is, it is against its own nature for a central government to lose power and give it to one of its own province. As long as Quebec will not have a political tool like sovereignty to negociate, the central government will NEVER be willing to accept any proposition. Ottawa has just one word to say and nothing will change and it will never be in danger of keeping it this way. This word is no.<br /> <br /> So if Québec has its sovereignty and a no from Ottawa leads Québec to separation, then and only then Ottawa will start to care about Québec and be afraid of losing it. If Ottawa do not fear to lose Québec, it will never care.<br /> <br /> I always laugh when I see a cue less so-called-federalist pretending the separatist are evils who want to destroy the country. They don't even want to know what are our real motivations. Unlike the real federalists. Sovereignists and real federalists are no far from each other politically. They both agree that united, we are stronger but, it is the kind of union we do not agree on.<br /> <br /> I hope this helps you to understand the sovereignist (separatist) point of view.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> <br /> Quebec already has special status, and it elects half of our PMs, despite the fact that there are more than 2 provinces in Canada.<br /> <br /> <br /> Reagarding the E.U, The European Union is not really a confederation, because the invidiual European countries have ultimate authority, not the European parliament, whereas in Canada, the federal government has ultimate authority.<br /> <br /> As for the E.U. model in Canada, it wouldn't work, because Canada would not let a separate Quebec share a common currency. If Quebec used the Canadian dollar, then Quebec would be totally dependent on Canada anyway. If it used the American dollar, it would be dependent on America. If it created a "Quebec" dollar, then it wouldn't be an E.U. scenario anymore.<br /> <br /> <br /> Let me PLEASE EMPHASIZE to anyone who thinks Quebec separatism is about you--it is not. It is about money and power. Separatist elites want <b>their</b> country-to control.<br /> <br /> Economically, Quebec could certainly improve with help from the feds, as could every province, but the world is run by economics right now, and separating would economic suicide--look at Slovakia. The elites in Quebec could make Quebec prosperous, but once they had their own country, they'd go back to ignoring the average person's needs.<br /> <br /> <br />

   

[QUOTE BY= Benz] Before I become a separatist, I was a sort of federalist Quebec nationalist. I saw Meech like a good compromise for Québec to stay in Canada. The special status would have giving us enough tools to protect our interests and at the same time, we would keep the country united. I was both astonished and frustrated that Meech didn't work out. It is when I spoke to Westerners that I finally understood why Meech failed.<br /> <br /> I do not believe a compromise is possible within the actual federation. Otherwise, Meech would have been done by now. Wether it is true or not, an agreement like Meech will always gives the other provinces the feeling that Québec has an advantage over them.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> I disagree. If we actually had a federal government that would explain it what distinct society meant you would find more support. And alot more support for giving Quebec more powers.<br /> <br /> I'm completely against quebec being recognized as a "nation." Of course Quebec is different from the rest of Canada it has it's own language and culture that nobody in the rest of Canada knows about unless they make it out of Canada or to the rest of the world like le cirque du soleil and Celine Dion. <br /> <br /> I for one don't believe Quebecers are a "different people" from english speaking Canadians. Quebec culture is Canadian culture and I don't seperate it at all. <br /> <br /> Quebec separation to me is wishful thinking. First you would need to actually win a referendum but it would have to be by 60%. I find it hard to believe that 60% of Quebecers would throw away there Canadian citizenship. Gille Duceppe has very little brains when he talks about getting rid of the Canadian dollar and having the american one. <br /> <br /> First, if getting rid of the Canadian dollar makes it easier for separatists to break up the country I don't believe to many people in the ROC will be supporting getting rid of the currency.<br /> <br /> If there is ever another referendum Gilles Duceppe and other separatists need to campaign that Quebecers will not be keeping Canadian money, citizenship or passports. <br /> <br /> How dumb can that man be when he wants to Quebec to have money that is american. America is a country of 300 million people.Quebec would have a population of 7.5 million people. He should start telling Quebecers if they were to separate they would be sharing a currency with the U.S.A. And wouldn't Quebecers love that! The most capitalist country on earth having full monetary policies over Quebec!

   

[QUOTE BY= Perturbed]<br /> Quebec already has special status, and it elects half of our PMs, despite the fact that there are more than 2 provinces in Canada.[/quote]How anoying! Why are you so unwilling to learn something. These "Quebec leaders" you talk about are federalist CENTRALIST. They are ironically the ennemies of Québec. Québec vote in majority in favor of the BQ rather than theses ***holes.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]Reagarding the E.U, The European Union is not really a confederation, because the invidiual European countries have ultimate authority, not the European parliament, whereas in Canada, the federal government has ultimate authority.[/QUOTE]I suggest you read again my definition of confederalism vs federalism.<br /> <br /> [quote]As for the E.U. model in Canada, it wouldn't work, because Canada would not let a separate Quebec share a common currency.[/quote]If you want to weaknen your money, then we will adopt the USD. You have nothing to win by loser a great partner.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]If Quebec used the Canadian dollar, then Quebec would be totally dependent on Canada anyway. If it used the American dollar, it would be dependent on America. If it created a "Quebec" dollar, then it wouldn't be an E.U. scenario anymore.[/QUOTE]Don't worry about all this buddy. We know what we are doing.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]Let me PLEASE EMPHASIZE to anyone who thinks Quebec separatism is about you--it is not. It is about money and power. Separatist elites want <b>their</b> country-to control.[/QUOTE]you know so much stuff about separatist! <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/rolleyes.gif' alt='Rolling Eyes'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/mrgreen.gif' alt='Mr. Green'> Come on!<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]Economically, Quebec could certainly improve with help from the feds, as could every province, but the world is run by economics right now, and separating would economic suicide--look at Slovakia.[/QUOTE]It turned out pretty well to Czeck Republic, Slovania, etc... plus, Québec is in very good position economically to face those challenges.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]The elites in Quebec could make Quebec prosperous, but once they had their own country, they'd go back to ignoring the average person's needs.[/QUOTE]Whatever! <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/mrgreen.gif' alt='Mr. Green'> Oh, I forgot, the separatists are the bad guys and the anti-separatists are the good guys. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/rolleyes.gif' alt='Rolling Eyes'> <br />

   

[QUOTE BY= Benz] These "Quebec leaders" you talk about are federalist CENTRALIST. They are ironically the ennemies of Québec. Québec vote in majority in favor of the BQ rather than theses ***holes.[/QUOTE]<br /> The majority of Quebecers didn't vote for the BQ last june 28th. It's was only 48%.<br /> <br /> I've always wondered why Quebecers vote for a political party that does nothing. Rene Levesque even said it would pointless to put in a seperatist party in ottawa because they wouldn't be able to do anything. He was right on that issue. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'>

   

[QUOTE BY= dino]<br /> I disagree. If we actually had a federal government that would explain it what distinct society meant you would find more support. And alot more support for giving Quebec more powers.[/quote]I don't get you. Are you in favor or not to give more powers to Québec? Would you sign a treaty like Meech?<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]I'm completely against quebec being recognized as a "nation."[/QUOTE]Well, explain yourself. Since you do not speak my language, how come you can pretend you and I are from the same nation? Even Jean Charest from the Liberal Party of Québec is saying that Québec is a nation. It is unanimous here, wether Québec separates or not, Québec is a nation. How will you convince 100% of the Assemblée Nationale that our nation does not exist? Good luck! Because if our nation doesn't exist, yours do not either. We are all Americans then.<br /> <br /> [quote]Of course Quebec is different from the rest of Canada it has it's own language and culture that nobody in the rest of Canada knows about unless they make it out of Canada or to the rest of the world like le cirque du soleil and Celine Dion. <br /> <br /> I for one don't believe Quebecers are a "different people" from english speaking Canadians. Quebec culture is Canadian culture and I don't seperate it at all.[/quote]Why? Express yourself! Go on! Sell me your nation buddy! <br /> <br /> [quote]First you would need to actually win a referendum but it would have to be by 60%.[/quote]I do not worth more than a federalist and a federalist do not worth more than me. One man, one vote. That is the basis of democracy. If someone is ready to oppose to that, I am ready to kill that person (federalist or sovereignist) to protect democracy.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]Gille Duceppe has very little brains when he talks about getting rid of the Canadian dollar and having the american one.[/QUOTE]Wait a second! Duceppe wanted to raise the debate about a north american money. He has not taken position in favor of adopting the American money and submit 100% to the federal reserve. Be careful to what you say!<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]First, if getting rid of the Canadian dollar makes it easier for separatists to break up the country I don't believe to many people in the ROC will be supporting getting rid of the currency.[/QUOTE]Changing the interest rate the day after the US did, it is not what I call economical independence. In 1995, the sovereignist were not talking about getting the USD. We have in mind to keep up with the Canadian dollars rather than the USD or a new Québec currency. Since then, we are definitly not impressed by the way the Canadian bank do manage all that. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/rolleyes.gif' alt='Rolling Eyes'><br /> <br /> [QUOTE]If there is ever another referendum Gilles Duceppe and other separatists need to campaign that Quebecers will not be keeping Canadian money, citizenship or passports.[/QUOTE]I thought you were interested in getting information on the Québec issues but, it seems you are pretty comfortable with you old clueless thoughts regarding this.<br /> <br /> [quote]How dumb can that man be when he wants to Quebec to have money that is american. America is a country of 300 million people.Quebec would have a population of 7.5 million people. He should start telling Quebecers if they were to separate they would be sharing a currency with the U.S.A. And wouldn't Quebecers love that! The most capitalist country on earth having full monetary policies over Quebec![/QUOTE]Nope, that is not what he has in mind. But anyway, who cares, the Libs are getting in touch with the americans regarding the StarWars project. What a great country isn't it? The Americans won't have to buy us at all, the generosity of Paul Martin is beyond the sky. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/mad.gif' alt='Angry'><br /> <br /> If the Canadian dollar gives you the feeling you are independent from the US, the American Anti-Missile Sheild is a hard comming back to the reality. We have no lessons to recieve from you about that. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/evil.gif' alt='Evil'>

   

[QUOTE BY= dino] [QUOTE BY= Benz] These "Quebec leaders" you talk about are federalist CENTRALIST. They are ironically the ennemies of Québec. Québec vote in majority in favor of the BQ rather than theses ***holes.[/QUOTE]<br /> The majority of Quebecers didn't vote for the BQ last june 28th. It's was only 48%.<br /> <br /> I've always wondered why Quebecers vote for a political party that does nothing. Rene Levesque even said it would pointless to put in a seperatist party in ottawa because they wouldn't be able to do anything. He was right on that issue. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'> [/QUOTE]When Lévesque said that, most of us still had the spirit. After the Meech failure, we lost all our illusions.<br /> <br /> Better vote BQ than the pathetic Liberals or the Cons.

   

[QUOTE BY= dino]<br /> I've always wondered why Quebecers vote for a political party that does nothing. Rene Levesque even said it would pointless to put in a seperatist party in ottawa because they wouldn't be able to do anything. He was right on that issue. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> I think the BQ does play a very important role in Ottawa not just in putting Quebec issues out there, but also for protecting the rights of all provinces. Take for instance the upcoming budget and how the BQ is campaigning first and foremost for an end of economic disparity between the provinces. That helps us all out considering that most provinces (9 out of 10, Alberta being the exception) are running huge defecits while the federal government enjoys huge surplusses.<br /> <br /> Besides, if the BQ wasn't around, the Liberals would sweep Quebec just like they sweep Ontario, and they'd always have majorities. Maybe that is why the Liberal government can ignore the huge problems in Ontario without loosing support. Take for instance how much money the provinces get from the federal government for each immigrant that moves in; Quebec gets $3200 per immigrant, Ontario gets $860 eventhough we take in most of this country's immigrants. Maybe Ontario could use its own BQ. Of course the Conservatives and NDP are busy trying to win votes in Quebec, so they completely ignore the many dissatisfied voters in Ontario.

   

[QUOTE BY= Benz]I don't get you. Are you in favor or not to give more powers to Québec? Would you sign a treaty like Meech?[/QUOTE] Yes I'm in favor of giving Quebec more powers. And Yes I would support a treaty like meech as long as it simply gives more powers to Quebec and not the other provinces!<br /> <br /> [QUOTE BY= Benz]I Well, explain yourself. Since you do not speak my language, how come you can pretend you and I are from the same nation? Even Jean Charest from the Liberal Party of Québec is saying that Québec is a nation. It is unanimous here, wether Québec separates or not, Québec is a nation. How will you convince 100% of the Assemblée Nationale that our nation does not exist? Good luck! Because if our nation doesn't exist, yours do not either. We are all Americans then.[/QUOTE]<br /> No Quebec is not a nation. I've always found it odd how Quebecers never seem to acknowledge the fact that you have your language and culture because french english and aboriginals fought americans to stay out of what was then upper and lower Canada. If the United States had come on to Quebec they wouldn't have defeated you guys they would have conquered Quebec. And do you know what Quebec would be right now? The second Louisiana of North America. Quebec is obviously the french majority but because it's mainly french does that make you a country?<br /> Separatism in Quebec has always been ethinc nationalism. Like people of French origin must be in charge of a country called Quebec.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE BY= Benz]I I do not worth more than a federalist and a federalist do not worth more than me. One man, one vote. That is the basis of democracy. If someone is ready to oppose to that, I am ready to kill that person (federalist or sovereignist) to protect democracy.[/QUOTE]<br /> And so what happens if in 2008 the PQ get back into office and let's imagine they call another referendum and lose. Is it fair to the rest of Canada to have some separatist telling Quebec "oh alright, Quebecers aren't ready for separation maybe next time." Benz is that fair? Is it fair for the rest of Canada to have the threat of separation constantly hanging over our heads. Try putting yourself in the shoes of people in the ROC.And yes Quebecers have to win by 60%! Didn't the united nations already say they won't recognize Quebec as a country unless they follow the rules the Supreme Court of Canada laid out for Quebec? <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE BY= Benz] Wait a second! Duceppe wanted to raise the debate about a north american money. He has not taken position in favor of adopting the American money and submit 100% to the federal reserve. Be careful to what you say![/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Do you really believe a country with 300 million people will change their currency to include 32 million people above them? They won't. Now let's imagine if they did do you think the most powerful country in the world will allow there northen neighbors to have a say in monetary policies? Gill Duceppe actually believes there is a chance that there could be a north american cureency......more wishful thinking from a separatist.<br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE BY= Benz]I thought you were interested in getting information on the Québec issues but, it seems you are pretty comfortable with you old clueless thoughts regarding this.[/QUOTE] <br /> Can you honestly say that 60% of quebecers would throw away there citizenship if they could have Quebec become a country?<br /> <br /> [QUOTE BY= Benz] Nope, that is not what he has in mind. But anyway, who cares, the Libs are getting in touch with the americans regarding the StarWars project. What a great country isn't it? The Americans won't have to buy us at all, the generosity of Paul Martin is beyond the sky. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/mad.gif' alt='Angry'>[/quote]<br /> <br /> If the Canadian dollar gives you the feeling you are independent from the US, the American Anti-Missile Sheild is a hard comming back to the reality. We have no lessons to recieve from you about that. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/evil.gif' alt='Evil'> <br /> <br /> Believe me Canada is not an independent country from America. The NAFTA agreement is the worse thing on the face of the earth. Having our own currency is a lot better then having american presidents on our bills. Paul Martin is the biggest sell out of this country. These guys don't care at all about Quebec and I hate how they represent english Canada because believe it or not people actually care that Quebec is included. Example many people in Saskatchewan are voting Liberal because they only view a party as a national party if it has members elected from Quebec. Alot of people feel it's necessary to include Quebecers. <br /> <br /> And what does a province like Saskatchewan get from this generosity ohhhhhh splitting the vote between progressives and electing 13 out of 14 MP's conservatives and one Liberal.And this oone Liberal happens to exactly like Paul Martin.....a capitalist! What a country this is when Saskatchewan sends conservatives to Ottawa to represent the population! <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/rolleyes.gif' alt='Rolling Eyes'>

   

[QUOTE BY= Benz]I don't get you. Are you in favor or not to give more powers to Québec? Would you sign a treaty like Meech?[/QUOTE] <br /> <br /> Yes I'm in favor of giving Quebec more powers. And Yes I would support a treaty like meech as long as it simply gives more powers to Quebec and not the other provinces!<br /> <br /> [QUOTE BY= Benz]I Well, explain yourself. Since you do not speak my language, how come you can pretend you and I are from the same nation? Even Jean Charest from the Liberal Party of Québec is saying that Québec is a nation. It is unanimous here, wether Québec separates or not, Québec is a nation. How will you convince 100% of the Assemblée Nationale that our nation does not exist? Good luck! Because if our nation doesn't exist, yours do not either. We are all Americans then.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> <br /> No Quebec is not a nation. I've always found it odd how Quebecers never seem to acknowledge the fact that you have your language and culture because french english and aboriginals fought americans to stay out of what was then upper and lower Canada. If the United States had come on to Quebec they wouldn't have defeated you guys they would have conquered Quebec. And do you know what Quebec would be right now? The second Louisiana of North America. Quebec is obviously the french majority but because it's mainly french does that make you a country?<br /> Separatism in Quebec has always been ethinc nationalism. Like people of French origin must be in charge of a country called Quebec.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE BY= Benz]I I do not worth more than a federalist and a federalist do not worth more than me. One man, one vote. That is the basis of democracy. If someone is ready to oppose to that, I am ready to kill that person (federalist or sovereignist) to protect democracy.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> And so what happens if in 2008 the PQ get back into office and let's imagine they call another referendum and lose. Is it fair to the rest of Canada to have some separatist telling Quebec "oh alright, Quebecers aren't ready for separation maybe next time." Benz is that fair? Is it fair for the rest of Canada to have the threat of separation constantly hanging over our heads. Try putting yourself in the shoes of people in the ROC.And yes Quebecers have to win by 60%! Didn't the united nations already say they won't recognize Quebec as a country unless they follow the rules the Supreme Court of Canada laid out for Quebec? <br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE BY= Benz] Wait a second! Duceppe wanted to raise the debate about a north american money. He has not taken position in favor of adopting the American money and submit 100% to the federal reserve. Be careful to what you say![/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Do you really believe a country with 300 million people will change their currency to include 32 million people above them? They won't. Now let's imagine if they did do you think the most powerful country in the world will allow there northen neighbors to have a say in monetary policies? Gill Duceppe actually believes there is a chance that there could be a north american cureency......more wishful thinking from a separatist.<br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE BY= Benz]I thought you were interested in getting information on the Québec issues but, it seems you are pretty comfortable with you old clueless thoughts regarding this.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br /> Can you honestly say that 60% of quebecers would throw away there citizenship if they could have Quebec become a country?<br /> <br /> [QUOTE BY= Benz] Nope, that is not what he has in mind. But anyway, who cares, the Libs are getting in touch with the americans regarding the StarWars project. What a great country isn't it? The Americans won't have to buy us at all, the generosity of Paul Martin is beyond the sky. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/mad.gif' alt='Angry'><br /> <br /> If the Canadian dollar gives you the feeling you are independent from the US, the American Anti-Missile Sheild is a hard comming back to the reality. We have no lessons to recieve from you about that. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/evil.gif' alt='Evil'> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Believe me Canada is not an independent country from America. The NAFTA agreement is the worse thing on the face of the earth. Having our own currency is a lot better then having american presidents on our bills. Paul Martin is the biggest sell out of this country. These guys don't care at all about Quebec and I hate how they represent english Canada because believe it or not people actually care that Quebec is included. Example many people in Saskatchewan are voting Liberal because they only view a party as a national party if it has members elected from Quebec. Alot of people feel it's necessary to include Quebecers. <br /> <br /> And what does a province like Saskatchewan get from this generosity ohhhhhh splitting the vote between progressives and electing 13 out of 14 MP's conservatives and one Liberal.And this oone Liberal happens to exactly like Paul Martin.....a capitalist! What a country this is when Saskatchewan sends conservatives to Ottawa to represent the population! <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/rolleyes.gif' alt='Rolling Eyes'>

   

sorry i don't know what i'm doing?! <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'> <br /> <br /> Benz i've got something to say except it's not exactly coming up on the screen!?!

   

[QUOTE BY= Benz]I don't get you. Are you in favor or not to give more powers to Québec? Would you sign a treaty like Meech?[/QUOTE] <br /> <br /> Yes I'm in favor of giving Quebec more powers. And Yes I would support a treaty like meech as long as it simply gives more powers to Quebec and not the other provinces!<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]I Well, explain yourself. Since you do not speak my language, how come you can pretend you and I are from the same nation? Even Jean Charest from the Liberal Party of Québec is saying that Québec is a nation. It is unanimous here, wether Québec separates or not, Québec is a nation. How will you convince 100% of the Assemblée Nationale that our nation does not exist? Good luck! Because if our nation doesn't exist, yours do not either. We are all Americans then.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> No Quebec is not a nation. I've always found it odd how Quebecers never seem to acknowledge the fact that you have your language and culture because french english and aboriginals fought americans to stay out of what was then upper and lower Canada. If the United States had come on to Quebec they wouldn't have defeated you guys they would have conquered Quebec. And do you know what Quebec would be right now? The second Louisiana of North America. Quebec is obviously the french majority but because it's mainly french does that make you a country?<br /> Separatism in Quebec has always been ethinc nationalism. Like people of French origin must be in charge of a country called Quebec.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]I I do not worth more than a federalist and a federalist do not worth more than me. One man, one vote. That is the basis of democracy. If someone is ready to oppose to that, I am ready to kill that person (federalist or sovereignist) to protect democracy.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> And so what happens if in 2008 the PQ get back into office and let's imagine they call another referendum and lose. Is it fair to the rest of Canada to have some separatist telling Quebec "oh alright, Quebecers aren't ready for separation maybe next time." Benz is that fair? Is it fair for the rest of Canada to have the threat of separation constantly hanging over our heads. Try putting yourself in the shoes of people in the ROC.And yes Quebecers have to win by 60%! Didn't the united nations already say they won't recognize Quebec as a country unless they follow the rules the Supreme Court of Canada laid out for Quebec? <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE] Wait a second! Duceppe wanted to raise the debate about a north american money. He has not taken position in favor of adopting the American money and submit 100% to the federal reserve. Be careful to what you say![/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Do you really believe a country with 300 million people will change their currency to include 32 million people above them? They won't. Now let's imagine if they did do you think the most powerful country in the world will allow there northen neighbors to have a say in monetary policies? Gill Duceppe actually believes there is a chance that there could be a north american cureency......more wishful thinking from a separatist.<br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE]I thought you were interested in getting information on the Québec issues but, it seems you are pretty comfortable with you old clueless thoughts regarding this.[/QUOTE] <br /> Can you honestly say that 60% of quebecers would throw away there citizenship if they could have Quebec become a country?<br /> <br /> [QUOTE ] Nope, that is not what he has in mind. But anyway, who cares, the Libs are getting in touch with the americans regarding the StarWars project. What a great country isn't it? The Americans won't have to buy us at all, the generosity of Paul Martin is beyond the sky. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/mad.gif' alt='Angry'><br /> <br /> If the Canadian dollar gives you the feeling you are independent from the US, the American Anti-Missile Sheild is a hard comming back to the reality. We have no lessons to recieve from you about that. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/evil.gif' alt='Evil'> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Believe me Canada is not an independent country from America. The NAFTA agreement is the worse thing on the face of the earth. Having our own currency is a lot better then having american presidents on our bills. Paul Martin is the biggest sell out of this country. These guys don't care at all about Quebec and I hate how they represent english Canada because believe it or not people actually care that Quebec is included. Example many people in Saskatchewan are voting Liberal because they only view a party as a national party if it has members elected from Quebec. Alot of people feel it's necessary to include Quebecers. <br /> <br /> And what does a province like Saskatchewan get from this generosity ohhhhhh splitting the vote between progressives and electing 13 out of 14 MP's conservatives and one Liberal.And this oone Liberal happens to exactly like Paul Martin.....a capitalist! What a country this is when Saskatchewan sends conservatives to Ottawa to represent the population! <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/rolleyes.gif' alt='Rolling Eyes'>

   

[QUOTE BY= lesouris] [QUOTE BY= dino]<br /> I've always wondered why Quebecers vote for a political party that does nothing. Rene Levesque even said it would pointless to put in a seperatist party in ottawa because they wouldn't be able to do anything. He was right on that issue. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> I think the BQ does play a very important role in Ottawa not just in putting Quebec issues out there, but also for protecting the rights of all provinces. Take for instance the upcoming budget and how the BQ is campaigning first and foremost for an end of economic disparity between the provinces. That helps us all out considering that most provinces (9 out of 10, Alberta being the exception) are running huge defecits while the federal government enjoys huge surplusses.<br /> <br /> Besides, if the BQ wasn't around, the Liberals would sweep Quebec just like they sweep Ontario, and they'd always have majorities. Maybe that is why the Liberal government can ignore the huge problems in Ontario without loosing support. Take for instance how much money the provinces get from the federal government for each immigrant that moves in; Quebec gets $3200 per immigrant, Ontario gets $860 eventhough we take in most of this country's immigrants. Maybe Ontario could use its own BQ. Of course the Conservatives and NDP are busy trying to win votes in Quebec, so they completely ignore the many dissatisfied voters in Ontario.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> I can't see to many Bloc voters who would vote for the Liberals. Perphaps a switch to the NDP? <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'> <br /> <br /> <br />

   

I can not get the the quote thing to work? anyways benz i'm answering you back<br /> <br /> Benz-I don't get you. Are you in favor or not to give more powers to Québec? Would you sign a treaty like Meech?<br /> <br /> Yes I'm in favor of giving Quebec more powers. And Yes I would support a treaty like meech as long as it simply gives more powers to Quebec and not the other provinces!<br /> <br /> Well, explain yourself. Since you do not speak my language, how come you can pretend you and I are from the same nation? Even Jean Charest from the Liberal Party of Québec is saying that Québec is a nation. It is unanimous here, wether Québec separates or not, Québec is a nation. How will you convince 100% of the Assemblée Nationale that our nation does not exist? Good luck! Because if our nation doesn't exist, yours do not either. We are all Americans then.<br /> <br /> No Quebec is not a nation. I've always found it odd how Quebecers never seem to acknowledge the fact that you have your language and culture because french english and aboriginals fought americans to stay out of what was then upper and lower Canada. If the United States had come on to Quebec they wouldn't have defeated you guys they would have conquered Quebec. And do you know what Quebec would be right now? The second Louisiana of North America. Quebec is obviously the french majority but because it's mainly french does that make you a country?<br /> Separatism in Quebec has always been ethinc nationalism. Like people of French origin must be in charge of a country called Quebec.<br /> <br /> Benz-I I do not worth more than a federalist and a federalist do not worth more than me. One man, one vote. That is the basis of democracy. If someone is ready to oppose to that, I am ready to kill that person (federalist or sovereignist) to protect democracy.<br /> <br /> And so what happens if in 2008 the PQ get back into office and let's imagine they call another referendum and lose. Is it fair to the rest of Canada to have some separatist telling Quebec "oh alright, Quebecers aren't ready for separation maybe next time." Benz is that fair? Is it fair for the rest of Canada must have the threat of separation constantly hanging over our heads. Try putting yourself in the shoes of people in the ROC!!!!And yes Quebecers have to win by 60%! Didn't the united nations already say they won't recognize Quebec as a country unless they follow the rules the Supreme Court of Canada laid out for Quebec? <br /> <br /> <br /> Benz-Wait a second! Duceppe wanted to raise the debate about a north american money. He has not taken position in favor of adopting the American money and submit 100% to the federal reserve. Be careful to what you say!<br /> <br /> Do you really believe a country with 300 million people will change their currency to include 32 million people above them? They won't. Now let's imagine if they did do you think the most powerful country in the world will allow there northen neighbors to have a say in monetary policies? Gill Duceppe actually believes there is a chance that there could be a north american curency......more wishful thinking from a separatist.<br /> <br /> Benz-I thought you were interested in getting information on the Québec issues but, it seems you are pretty comfortable with you old clueless thoughts regarding this. <br /> Can you honestly say that 60% of quebecers would throw away there citizenship if they could have Quebec become a country?<br /> <br /> Benz Nope, that is not what he has in mind. But anyway, who cares, the Libs are getting in touch with the americans regarding the StarWars project. What a great country isn't it? The Americans won't have to buy us at all, the generosity of Paul Martin is beyond the sky. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/mad.gif' alt='Angry'><br /> <br /> If the Canadian dollar gives you the feeling you are independent from the US, the American Anti-Missile Sheild is a hard comming back to the reality. We have no lessons to recieve from you about that. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/evil.gif' alt='Evil'><br /> <br /> Believe me Canada is not an independent country from America. The NAFTA agreement is the worse thing on the face of the earth. Having our own currency is a lot better then having american presidents on our bills. Paul Martin is the biggest sell out of this country. These guys don't care at all about Quebec and I hate how they represent english Canada because believe it or not people actually care that Quebec is included. Example many people in Saskatchewan are voting Liberal because they only view a party as a national party if it has members elected from Quebec. Alot of people feel it's necessary to include Quebecers. <br /> <br /> And what does a province like Saskatchewan get from this generosity ohhhhhh splitting the vote between progressives and electing 13 out of 14 MP's conservatives and one Liberal.And this oone Liberal happens to exactly like Paul Martin.....a capitalist! What a country this is when Saskatchewan sends conservatives to Ottawa to represent the population! <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/rolleyes.gif' alt='Rolling Eyes'>

   

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