Canada's hidden war crimes
Knoss @ Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:19 pm
Twister.
Knoss @ Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:25 pm
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Russian Civil War of 1917-22.
America was an ally of Russia and foght the Red Army since 1917.
Speaking of 1917 Villa got away, and Geronimo got away.
twister @ Mon Oct 23, 2006 11:24 pm
Knoss Knoss:
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America has never lost and will never lose a war
except the war of 1812(1814), Spanish Theater of the Spanish American War(1900), Russian Communist War (1921), Vietnam War (1964).
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What about what they did to Canadian troops at Dieppe during and After the raid on August 19, 1942, What about the Slaughter of surrendered Canadian troops outside Caen 1944. More than 130 young Canadians who were taken prisoner by the 12th SS Hitler Jugend (The Nazi philosophy turned 19-year-olds, nurtured in the Hitler youth camps, into ruthless killers.) in Normandy. They were marched behind German lines, interrogated, and then brutally gunned down as they stood disarmed and helpless.
There were differences Most is not all the atrocities carried out by the Germans in the Second World war were at the hand of the SS ( even the gestapo) not the Professional soldiers of the Wehrwacht who fought for the most part by the rules of the geneva convention.
There were differences Most is not all the atrocities carried out by the Germans in the Second World war were at the hand of the SS ( even the gestapo) not the Professional soldiers of the Wehrwacht who fought for the most part by the rules of the geneva convention.
Wrong war dummy.
If you chose to read the whole thing Duffus you would notice that I said in WORLD WAR TWO.. WW 2 not WW1 made that clear at the Begining
I chose General George S Patton to prove a point KNOSS... there was no political correctness Police out there.."You held him by the nose and you kick him in the ass". "War is Hell" it's not something that you can look back on 50 or 100 years later.. and say gee I wish they didn't do that... how could they.. the other guy was just shooting at them....
Did the Germans in WW1 not Introduce Chemical weapons ..? and who were those troops that suffered the first casualties of that gas?
twister @ Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:42 am
Knoss Knoss:
The thing is no nation has both threatened Canada and made an attack on the North Maerican continet since 1884. Canada had no need to fight in the Boer War, the World WarKorea, or Iraq.
For all the talk of briningin democracy in world War 1 there was no effert to help the Germans. For all the talk of Liberating Europe in World War 2 half was left to the Communists, seems courage runs out, after our leaders drag us inot a fight.
As to killing prisoners it is importaint to understand killings under stress and cold-blooded revenge killing so both will be prevented.
Besides I give no damn in hell to the fool sons of bitches who died in against a country which would never hurt Canada, and especially one who allowed democracy to be manipulated to dive such a war.
For all the talk of briningin democracy in world War 1 there was no effert to help the Germans. For all the talk of Liberating Europe in World War 2 half was left to the Communists, seems courage runs out, after our leaders drag us inot a fight.
As to killing prisoners it is importaint to understand killings under stress and cold-blooded revenge killing so both will be prevented.
Besides I give no damn in hell to the fool sons of bitches who died in against a country which would never hurt Canada, and especially one who allowed democracy to be manipulated to dive such a war.
First thing you need to remember KNOASS ( since you called me dummy you had that coming)...
The Boar war Canada sent volunteers not full regiments..men who wished to go went same thing with the Spanish Civil war.. there were Canadian soldiers there in harms way.
We are a members of a commonwealth. In world war 1 and WW2 we fought bravely alongside our brothers in arms from around the globe as members of that commonwealth that later became the allied forces with the inclusion of Russia and US and many other countries not part of the British Empire. We fought for King and for country. If one nation Great Britain declared war on Germany we were honor bound to fall in line and give the "hun a good right thrashing".... Canadians fought under the british union jack and under our own red ensign. We had the maple Leaf Forever as our anthem.. but the maple leaf never flew on canadian missions until the 1960's when it was adopted for our flag.
It was truely a different time. In World war 1 we joined the British in stopping German,Prussian, austro Hungarian.. Ottoman Empire efforts to Control Europe. In World war 2 20 years later We were again called into battle to stop the "Liebensraum efforts" (living space) The British allowed the reunification Aunschlus with Austria and the annexation of the sudetenland ( which then turned out to be all of Czechoslovakia.) Britain drew the line in the Sand at Poland..Sept 1st 1939 German armed units entered Poland from Germany WW2 started. Britian declared war on Germany Sept 3rd 1939. Canada followed suit a few days later..
You made mention on half of europe.. so here's a short reponce:
Half of Europe turned to the warsaw pact becuase the russians were the ones who liberated them from the Germans. To make certain that Russia was never again invaded by Germany they kept thier half east germany extracted reparations for what happened in Russia during the war and set up puppet governments that were sympathetic to the Soviets in various states. The Russians offered them protection and help in rebuilding in exchange forthe creation of a buffer state ( the warsaw pact which would mobilize forces against any western Threat.) Russia will never go through another war on it's own soil. 4 is enough. (Napolean, WW1, the russian revolution and WW2
Korea was in Place to stop the Global spread of communism. Had we not intervened with UN support.. Korea would have been overrun by the communist north.
We are not in Iraq.. (as a fighting force, yes our aircraft played a role in both iraq conflicts) we are in Afganistan as you like to say.. Dummy
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As to killing prisoners it is importaint to understand killings under stress and cold-blooded revenge killing so both will be prevented.
yes that I would like to see... how are you going to achieve that immediate post event truama action and reaction clarification counselling....
Maybe you could be the first to volunteer for that.....
Tman1 @ Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:53 am
Knoss Knoss:
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Russian Civil War of 1917-22.
America was an ally of Russia and foght the Red Army since 1917.
Speaking of 1917 Villa got away, and Geronimo got away.
America supported the "Whites" the Mensheviks. Being an ally doesn't make one a loser of a war that they didn't participate in.
In any case, Canada's hidden war crimes compared to other countries around the world in specific world wars....what case is this guy trying to make? Everybody is guilty of crimes in war, that is war as a definition itself. He is using WWI as an example of shitty trench warfare as being crimes? It's no secret. British, Americans, Canadians, Australians probably did something wrong, why bring it out now? What's the purpose? Is the Canadian government now going to pay those in Germany of war crimes almost a hundred years ago because of a guilty Canadian conscious (don't think the Canadian government wouldn't do it either, it's against the Canadian religion.)
Oh yeah, you got the date wrong if it even matters.
Knoss @ Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:33 am
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America supported the "Whites" the Mensheviks. Being an ally doesn't make one a loser of a war that they didn't participate in.
America sent troops
Knoss @ Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:36 am
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(as a fighting force, yes our aircraft played a role in both iraq conflicts)
first war
Knoss @ Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:07 am
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You made mention on half of europe.. so here's a short reponce:
Half of Europe turned to the warsaw pact becuase the russians were the ones who liberated them from the Germans. To make certain that Russia was never again invaded by Germany they kept thier half east germany extracted reparations for what happened in Russia during the war and set up puppet governments that were sympathetic to the Soviets in various states. The Russians offered them protection and help in rebuilding in exchange forthe creation of a buffer state ( the warsaw pact which would mobilize forces against any western Threat.) Russia will never go through another war on it's own soil. 4 is enough. (Napolean, WW1, the russian revolution and WW2
Korea was in Place to stop the Global spread of communism. Had we not intervened with UN support.. Korea would have been overrun by the communist north.
We are not in Iraq.. (as a fighting force, yes our aircraft played a role in both iraq conflicts) we are in Afganistan as you like to say.. Dummy
Half of Europe turned to the warsaw pact becuase the russians were the ones who liberated them from the Germans. To make certain that Russia was never again invaded by Germany they kept thier half east germany extracted reparations for what happened in Russia during the war and set up puppet governments that were sympathetic to the Soviets in various states. The Russians offered them protection and help in rebuilding in exchange forthe creation of a buffer state ( the warsaw pact which would mobilize forces against any western Threat.) Russia will never go through another war on it's own soil. 4 is enough. (Napolean, WW1, the russian revolution and WW2
Korea was in Place to stop the Global spread of communism. Had we not intervened with UN support.. Korea would have been overrun by the communist north.
We are not in Iraq.. (as a fighting force, yes our aircraft played a role in both iraq conflicts) we are in Afganistan as you like to say.. Dummy
The Soviet Union and Nazi Germany signed a non- agretion pact before simaltaniously attacking Poland. Such an act must be conisdered an act of allegence betwen the two states. both violated Polish soverignty and as well as the soverigty of democratic Poland, Finnland, the costitutional monarchy of Lithuania, Ukraine and Estonia.
Newfy @ Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:42 am
Knoss Knoss:
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You made mention on half of europe.. so here's a short reponce:
Half of Europe turned to the warsaw pact becuase the russians were the ones who liberated them from the Germans. To make certain that Russia was never again invaded by Germany they kept thier half east germany extracted reparations for what happened in Russia during the war and set up puppet governments that were sympathetic to the Soviets in various states. The Russians offered them protection and help in rebuilding in exchange forthe creation of a buffer state ( the warsaw pact which would mobilize forces against any western Threat.) Russia will never go through another war on it's own soil. 4 is enough. (Napolean, WW1, the russian revolution and WW2
Korea was in Place to stop the Global spread of communism. Had we not intervened with UN support.. Korea would have been overrun by the communist north.
We are not in Iraq.. (as a fighting force, yes our aircraft played a role in both iraq conflicts) we are in Afganistan as you like to say.. Dummy
Half of Europe turned to the warsaw pact becuase the russians were the ones who liberated them from the Germans. To make certain that Russia was never again invaded by Germany they kept thier half east germany extracted reparations for what happened in Russia during the war and set up puppet governments that were sympathetic to the Soviets in various states. The Russians offered them protection and help in rebuilding in exchange forthe creation of a buffer state ( the warsaw pact which would mobilize forces against any western Threat.) Russia will never go through another war on it's own soil. 4 is enough. (Napolean, WW1, the russian revolution and WW2
Korea was in Place to stop the Global spread of communism. Had we not intervened with UN support.. Korea would have been overrun by the communist north.
We are not in Iraq.. (as a fighting force, yes our aircraft played a role in both iraq conflicts) we are in Afganistan as you like to say.. Dummy
The Soviet Union and Nazi Germany signed a non- agretion pact before simaltaniously attacking Poland. Such an act must be conisdered an act of allegence betwen the two states. both violated Polish soverignty and as well as the soverigty of democratic Poland, Finnland, the costitutional monarchy of Lithuania, Ukraine and Estonia.
Yes they were allies, that is until Germany attacked Russia, which was always their plan. The Nazis used Russia until their use was no longer required. That is when Russia came onto our side until the end of the war.
Knoss @ Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:39 am
Because we let the Russians come onto our side by supplying them with warplanes, food, trucks and other supplies, We helped hte communist murders and bandits oppress eastern and central Europe for 50 years.
twister @ Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:48 pm
wow Holy World of Revisionist History.. Batman..
Russia and Germany Signed a non agression Pact in 1939.. it wasn't an Alligence.
Why did Hitler and Stalin agree to do this.. cause they were so buddy- buddy? Cause the Communist system and Naziism are so close on the political Spectrum?
Will you guys stop learning history off Wiki.. F**K...
Okay here goes Communists and Nazi's are at opposite ends of the political spectrum Stalin wanted Hitler eliminated as much as Germany wanted Stalin eliminated.
The soviets had just purged the Red army of all it's officers a couple of years before. They needed time to train thier forces and Equip them. They knew one day war would happen with Germany ( drive to the East) LiebensRoom (Living Space).
Stalin had his reasons for a deal with the Devil :
expansion into Poland, the development of a new officer core, the building of armaments and weapons of war, the moving of Factories to the eastern side of the Urals out of German Bomber range. The building of defensive position and preparation for the coming war.
Hitler wanted the pact because he knew that a war with Russia just in terms of manpower was suicide. He needed time to build his military to a size capable of victory against Russia. He needed time to build more mechanized units and aircraft. But his hatred towards the French and the English due to the treaty of Versaillies concessions placed against Germany was greater than his hatred of the Communist system... He would deal with that in due time.
Hitler also new that fighting a war on two fronts was suicide.
He had the Maginot line staring directly at him in France. He had Support to the Southeast in Austria and the Sudetenland. Poland had areas of Prussia Germany wanted and Poland under German rule would meter out any chance of using that as a staging area.
Hitler signed agreements with Finland. Respected Swiss nuetrality ( germanic decendants) he Respected Sweden becuase they had supply deals with Sweden for Armaments, Steel and Coal.
The only Scandinavian country that wouldn't support Hitler was Norway.. Hitler couldn't allow the British to use Norway as a staging area.
With the Non agression pact signed with Russia and every other Front protected North, South, East... He struck west in May 1940 in a single front war driving through North of the Maginot line through the Ardennes (french territory) and Belgium. .
Everything was in place for a Drive through Belguim ( the Germanic People and the Flemish don't see eye to eye.. thier Neutrality ment nothing to Hitler. Luxembourg had German and Italian troops go through.. Oh yes the Italians they also helped by covering off Hitlers southern Front from attack.
The Germans Quickly seized the territories of Alsace Lorraine.. from.
AT that point the whole of GERMANY was Reunited to Pre World War 1 concessions.
Hitler did what he promised to reunite the German People.
The Germans captured Paris and the French Army capitulated then they surrounded the British Forces at Dunkirk
Had Hitler ammased his Forces at Calais Bombed the crap out of the radar facilities and airfield.. Sustained bombing.. rather than attacking industry and supporting his landing forces with the Naval elements he had plus the Luftwaffe working in unision. He would have forced Englands hand and would have eliminated them from the European war in 8 weeks.
However, he let the luftwaffe only lead the battle and got diverted to bombing the British cities after a few British bombers dropped thier loads on Berlin.. (that one action by Bomber command saved England cause Fighter command was on it's last legs in the south. One knockout punch and the RAF in southern England would have been put out of existence.)
Now by controling all of Continental Europe with the North and west defended by a channel of water.. Hitler then turned his attention to two theatres.. 1.) Helping out the Italians in North Africa.. ( by the way Hitler was also extremley interested in the Destruction and overtaking of the Zionist homeland in and around Jerusalem.)
2)Hitler then in 1941 turned his main attention towards the destruction of the Communist system and the capture of Russian territory for Germany.
Pick up a history book you might actually learn something....
Knoss @ Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:53 pm
The soviets were still murders
twister @ Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:03 pm
I never said the Soviets were the princes of Virtue. The Soviets killed a lot of Ukranians in the 30's, Purged thier armed forces killing a large number of thier officers, becuase Stalin was arrogant and also afraid of being overthrown.. Power MAD.
They though were considered Liberators by the Slavic people of the countries they went into. After under 4 years of control by the Nazi's they would have welcomed any change...if they were still alive.
Proof positive that being under the control of a a tyrannical despotic leader some people will do anything to stay in power...Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Tricks @ Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:34 pm
Tman1 Tman1:
Just curious, who are you quoting Knoss?
By the way, it may be the wrong war but warfare in any war is still the same. Brutal and to the point.
U.S. won the Spanish/American war and I don't know what America has to do with with Russian Civil War of 1917-22.
And it is arguable that 1812 was a draw. So what Patton said was technically correct at the time.
By the way, it may be the wrong war but warfare in any war is still the same. Brutal and to the point.
U.S. won the Spanish/American war and I don't know what America has to do with with Russian Civil War of 1917-22.
twister @ Tue Oct 24, 2006 9:35 pm
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except the war of 1812(1814), Spanish Theater of the Spanish American War(1900), Russian Communist War (1921), Vietnam War (1964).
Have to Admit .. the War of 1812 was a saw off. It showed the world that that america could survive a prolonged war with Britian.
1776 Drove the British out of America. 1812 showed to the world that they could survive... a war with the British.
Spanish American war: hmm lets see.. the Maine sank.... The Kicked the crap out of the Spanish Fleet in the Phillipines "You may fire when ready, Gridley.." They took SanJuan Hill in Cuba.
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On 3 July 1898 a US force demolished the Spanish squadron at Santiago, Cuba, in one of the two major naval actions of the Spanish-American War. The Spanish squadron was poorly manned, poorly maintained and out-gunned, so it was an easy victory for the US. Six Spanish ships took part in the action - the armored cruisers Vizcaya, Infanta Maria Teresa, Cristobal Colon and Almirante Oquendo, and the destroyers Furor and Pluton. All these ships were run ashore, except Pluton, which sank. In addition, the Spanish cruiser Reina Mercedes was scuttled in the channel. Because many of the ships were beached, we have this unusual chance to view the ruined hulks of the Spanish ships.
Since you apparently like Wiki as a source.. Spanish American war direct from Wiki for ya....
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Spain sued for peace.
Hostilities were halted on August 12 1898. The formal peace treaty, the Treaty of Paris, was signed in Paris on December 10, 1898 and was ratified by the United States Senate on February 6, 1899. It came into force on April 11, 1899.
The United States gained almost all of Spain's colonies, including the Philippines, Guam, and Puerto Rico. Cuba was granted independence, but the United States imposed various restrictions on the new government, including prohibiting alliances with other countries.
Hostilities were halted on August 12 1898. The formal peace treaty, the Treaty of Paris, was signed in Paris on December 10, 1898 and was ratified by the United States Senate on February 6, 1899. It came into force on April 11, 1899.
The United States gained almost all of Spain's colonies, including the Philippines, Guam, and Puerto Rico. Cuba was granted independence, but the United States imposed various restrictions on the new government, including prohibiting alliances with other countries.
The American and British support of the white Russians. was in the Russian Revolution. The Americans never had direct involvement. Volunteers went over from Canada,USA and britain as well as france to support the White russians however there were two few of them and they were badly outmanned and outgunned.
Vietnam... yep thats right.... Patton was not only a General but a psycic like Nietzsche... he could tell the future... yes he fore saw and fortold the american involvement 20 years after his death in French indochina.... Awh.. come on.......
According to you look at the photos knoss:
A couple of pics of the victorious Spanish navy... you can tell they won by all the parades and happy smiling faces.... REVISONIST.....
Looks to me they were a shattered force.. on fire and sinking... hmmm obviously the pics are faked... CONSPIRACY....
LOL read history before you start quoting it.... PLEASE.
Up until that point Patton was bang on Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. They never lost a war they were involved in as a country, up until recent times.
Vietnam though was a No win situation from the very start. but Patton would have had no knowledge of that in 1942
Spanish- American War celebrations