Canadians arrested in China
kaetz @ Tue Aug 07, 2007 10:41 pm
Clogeroo Clogeroo:
All men deserve to be free and we should stand up so men can be free here and abroad.
wrong! those who broke the law do not! they aren't even allowed to masturbate, even when they think they're alone!
kaetz @ Tue Aug 07, 2007 10:56 pm
i laughed my ass off reading that part of the article about a Tibetan girl, who tried to address Roggue in person! LOL
there are different Tibetans, but her example shows the stupidest part of them!
Please! no hysterics about her "courage" and "readiness to stand for her land and her rights" and all this BS!
To be effective in such things one should have some brain in the first place! Otherwise it makes everything only worse indeed.
Tricks @ Tue Aug 07, 2007 11:02 pm
Heavy_Metal Heavy_Metal:
world war II we were still a part of the British Empire,
No we weren't.
Tricks @ Tue Aug 07, 2007 11:02 pm
bootlegga bootlegga:
Being Canadian does not give anyone rights to violate the laws of another country, no matter their opinion. I have no sympathy for these people, as they went to another country and did something they knew would draw an official reaction. I may not agree with China's stance on Tibet, but that doesn't change the fact that they broke the law.
What law did they break?
ShepherdsDog @ Tue Aug 07, 2007 11:03 pm
the foreigners will be givena tour of a chinese holding facility. the'll be reprimandedbya kangaroo courtand then after a week or sothyell be sent home andtold no tto come back.
kaetz @ Tue Aug 07, 2007 11:07 pm
ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
the foreigners will be givena tour of a chinese holding facility. the'll be reprimandedbya kangaroo courtand then after a week or sothyell be sent home andtold no tto come back.
'zactly what i tought of it. And they are on the "black list" now. They won't be allowed to enter the country, they won't be issued visas. And if they try to sneak in, it'll be illegal, and then they might experience very unpleasant consequences indeed.
Arctic_Menace @ Wed Aug 08, 2007 5:27 am
$1:
It gave a people perhaps hope? That someone actually cares about them enough to put their own lives at risk to help them? It speaks volumes and sends a message. I don't think liberty is stupid either.
I'm sorry, but do you actually believe that the Tibetans will even hear or see about this with the Chinese ruling them?
Arctic_Menace @ Wed Aug 08, 2007 5:29 am
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
Heavy_Metal Heavy_Metal:
but the other part of me thinks who the FUCK are we to tell a sovereign country what to do? how dare these people go to another country and bitch about what they are doing to ANOTHER country all of which HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH CANADA,nor does it affect Canada.
so what the fuck?
so what the fuck?
We participated in Gulf War I, did we not? World War II, Korea . . .
Do we now back down because it is China? Or, do we stand for what is right?
Our governments will never stand for what is right so long as it opposes corporate interests.
ridenrain @ Wed Aug 08, 2007 7:04 am
This is delicious that so many here stand up for Mark Emery who was selling drugs for profit in a foreign country.
Get used to this because it's going to ramp up for the Chinese Olympics. It might be Tibet, FalonGong or what have you, but the baseline is a basic lack of human rights. Their government is corrupt and no $5. shirts or cheap VCR's will change that. More western politicians need to get some balls and state that obvious fact instead of parroting the lie.
Brenda @ Wed Aug 08, 2007 7:21 am
Tricks Tricks:
bootlegga bootlegga:
Being Canadian does not give anyone rights to violate the laws of another country, no matter their opinion. I have no sympathy for these people, as they went to another country and did something they knew would draw an official reaction. I may not agree with China's stance on Tibet, but that doesn't change the fact that they broke the law.
What law did they break?Did they have a permit?
That law, probably...
From the article:
$1:
"'Dr. Rogge! I'm Tibetan and I'd like to talk to you about Tibet, and human rights,'" she said.
And she seriously expected an answer? This man is chairman of the IOC, International Olympic Commitee... What does he have to do about (or even with) Tibet and human rights?
hurley_108 @ Wed Aug 08, 2007 7:36 am
Heavy_Metal Heavy_Metal:
hurley_108 hurley_108:
Any country which does not grant its people basic human rights has no claim to sovereignty.
basic human rights, what are basic human rights? who decides this? and who are we to tell a country which has been civilized, and more or less doing the same thing for THOUSANDS OF YEARS...
...hey....hey you can't do this.....why....because I don't think it's right....
well who are you?
i'm a person who thinks how you live and decide to govern over your own people is wrong......
.......thanks for coming out.
you can not place your own cultural and moral views on a culture that is RADICALLY different from yours, for if you try to force another country to change the way they do something, you are no better than they are!
Basic human rights do not include starving a hundred million to death. Basic human rights do not include slaughtering people for asking that they be given a say in how they are goverend. Basic human rights do not include killing people for following a religion. Basic human rights do not include arbitrary incarceration without due process.
And that's not to mention the thousands of tonnes of mercury China spews into the air by burning its dirty coal, the toxic spills into rivers that flow through other countries.
Killing is wrong. Opression is wrong. These are absolutes.
WBenson @ Wed Aug 08, 2007 8:46 am
Tricks Tricks:
Heavy_Metal Heavy_Metal:
world war II we were still a part of the British Empire,
No we weren't.The British Empire considered Canada a part of it. Canada considered itself part of the British Empire. It had full independence granted since the Statute of Westminster, but was definitely still considered a part of the Empire.
If you look at the QEW monument (erected in 1940, 1 year after the royal visit) in Toronto, it makes mention of the first visit of a reigning sovereign to a "Dominion of the Empire."
Tricks @ Wed Aug 08, 2007 9:27 am
WBenson WBenson:
Tricks Tricks:
Heavy_Metal Heavy_Metal:
world war II we were still a part of the British Empire,
No we weren't.The British Empire considered Canada a part of it. Canada considered itself part of the British Empire. It had full independence granted since the Statute of Westminster, but was definitely still considered a part of the Empire.
If you look at the QEW monument (erected in 1940, 1 year after the royal visit) in Toronto, it makes mention of the first visit of a reigning sovereign to a "Dominion of the Empire."
WBenson @ Wed Aug 08, 2007 9:42 am
Tricks Tricks:
WBenson WBenson:
Tricks Tricks:
Heavy_Metal Heavy_Metal:
world war II we were still a part of the British Empire,
No we weren't.The British Empire considered Canada a part of it. Canada considered itself part of the British Empire. It had full independence granted since the Statute of Westminster, but was definitely still considered a part of the Empire.
If you look at the QEW monument (erected in 1940, 1 year after the royal visit) in Toronto, it makes mention of the first visit of a reigning sovereign to a "Dominion of the Empire."
We were fully independent and autonomous (as per the Statute), and went by our own choosing, you are right, but Canada was still considered part of the empire by both other countries and Canada itself.
Tricks @ Wed Aug 08, 2007 9:59 am
WBenson WBenson:
Tricks Tricks:
WBenson WBenson:
Tricks Tricks:
Heavy_Metal Heavy_Metal:
world war II we were still a part of the British Empire,
No we weren't.The British Empire considered Canada a part of it. Canada considered itself part of the British Empire. It had full independence granted since the Statute of Westminster, but was definitely still considered a part of the Empire.
If you look at the QEW monument (erected in 1940, 1 year after the royal visit) in Toronto, it makes mention of the first visit of a reigning sovereign to a "Dominion of the Empire."
We were fully independent and autonomous (as per the Statute), and went by our own choosing, you are right, but Canada was still considered part of the empire by both other countries and Canada itself.