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sasquatch2 @ Wed Aug 08, 2007 6:55 pm

Off topic people.....this is about some idiots stomping on the Worker's Paradise cape......pissing into the wind...........

   



Mustang1 @ Wed Aug 08, 2007 7:56 pm

WBenson WBenson:
Mustang1 Mustang1:
WBenson WBenson:
Please do not insult my command of the English language. I did not bring the independence of Canada into disrepute. You are not reading what I write. I said it was considered to be a part of the empire, not "Canada was not independent during World War II."


Actually, wasn't Canada part of the "Commonwealth" by the early 30's? This is indeed a different term and meaning than "Empire" which didn't really apply to us after Westminster.


It is a different term, but it did not replace the term "Empire" in the minds of Canadians until after the war. As says the QEW Monument,

"The Queen Elizabeth Way was opened by the King and Queen in June 1939, marking the first visit of a reigning sovereign to a sister dominion of the empire. The courage and resolution of their majesties in undertaking the royal visit in the face of imminent war have inspired the people of this province to complete this work in the empire's darkest hour in full confidence of victory and a lasting peace."

"Sister dominion" implies full autonomy and independence, while still being a part of the empire. "Empire" and "Commonwealth" were not seen as mutually exclusive terms at the time. Nothing in Canada happened "all at once" with regards to independence, which needs to be taught to the tour guides at La Citadelle, who say that the "British regime" ended completely in 1867.


It looks like from contemporary political perspective that Canada was a sovereign member of the Commonwealth and that Empire was politically obsolete but perhaps not vernacularly.

   



Mustang1 @ Wed Aug 08, 2007 7:57 pm

sasquatch2 sasquatch2:
Off topic people.....this is about some idiots stomping on the Worker's Paradise cape......pissing into the wind...........


I'll post when and where i want - WBenson and I are merely clarifying a point, that quite frankly, you're more than free to ignore.

   



ShepherdsDog @ Wed Aug 08, 2007 8:12 pm

for king and empire was still a rallying cry throughout the dominions,although it was beginning to wane. it was more about patriotism than anything else, giving a sense ofunityand common purpose. anglosaxons good, germansbad(though tto many western industrialists, nottas bad as russian communists).

   



ridenrain @ Thu Aug 09, 2007 6:53 am

Mustang1 Mustang1:
sasquatch2 sasquatch2:
Off topic people.....this is about some idiots stomping on the Worker's Paradise cape......pissing into the wind...........


I'll post when and where i want - WBenson and I are merely clarifying a point, that quite frankly, you're more than free to ignore.


Still off topic.

I posted a news item about "Kilgour spearheads drive against 'Bloody Harvest Olympics', so this is going to heat up very quickly.
China says: "To exploit the chance of the Beijing Olympic Games to engage in anti-China activity is not only shameful but also doomed to fail,". Sounds like all you're base belongs to us :roll:

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Mustang1 @ Thu Aug 09, 2007 7:11 am

ridenrain ridenrain:
Mustang1 Mustang1:
sasquatch2 sasquatch2:
Off topic people.....this is about some idiots stomping on the Worker's Paradise cape......pissing into the wind...........


I'll post when and where i want - WBenson and I are merely clarifying a point, that quite frankly, you're more than free to ignore.


Still off topic.



Actually, HeavyMetal (on the 1st page, BEFORE you posted here) and DrCaleb were referencing the fact that egregious acts of inhumanity that have occurred on foreign soil have been addressed by Canada in the past. HeavyMetal asserted that our historical tackling of intolerance sometimes wasn’t significant, or didn’t directly involve immediate protection of Canada and other times, we were simply obligated as a member of the British Empire (he said WWII). Tricks followed that up with a questioning of our motivations regarding WWII.

This, despite your comprehension difficulties, is ON topic (and if it’s not, ignore it) as it was an exploration of our past commitments to fighting human inequities (which WAS the topic).

Besides, I certainly don’t need your permission to post, and evidently it’s clear that you can’t follow the content anyway.

   



ridenrain @ Thu Aug 09, 2007 7:30 am

...and these historical points have how much to do with 3 Canadian protesters in China? I doubt we can rely on the past to determine our course of action, nor that of the Chinese.
Just because a few of you get distracted on the same off topic point, it doesn't change the first post and the topic of the thread.

   



Mustang1 @ Thu Aug 09, 2007 7:37 am

ridenrain ridenrain:
...and these historical points have how much to do with 3 Canadian protesters in China? I doubt we can rely on the past to determine our course of action, nor that of the Chinese.
Just because a few of you get distracted on the same off topic point, it doesn't change the first post and the topic of the thread.


What are you, the Content Police? It's perfectly relevant and just because you can't see it, is immaterial. Besides, if my posts (and evidently, HeavyMetal, Tricks and WBenson) are open to your enlightened critiques regarding content, does the same apply to you? Or what about other threads? Where are you on those ones? In fact, what qualifies you to comment on "relevancy"? You were already mistaken here, so evidently you're not even competent in your self-appointed position. Maybe you should just watch for a bit.

At the end of day, threads veer off on tangents, and others are freely encouraged to ignore them, but the sad part, is in this case, said tangent WAS relevant and many posters saw it fit to participate. You don't like it? Keep it to yourself.

   



ridenrain @ Thu Aug 09, 2007 7:45 am

As you are so enlightened, why do you feel the need to defend yourself then? Why not just do as you say and ignore us?

I think you're taking you sig. a little too seriously.
Lighten up a bit.

   



Mustang1 @ Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:01 am

Brilliant! You started this charade with a post commenting on "relevancy" and all you've done over three posts is post immaterial minutia! The irony isn't lost on anyone - in fact, not only were you wrong, you're a hypocrite to boot!

$1:
As you are so enlightened, why do you feel the need to defend yourself then? Why not just do as you say and ignore us?


Practice what you preach.

$1:
"I think you're taking you sig. a little too seriously."


Why, because i beat on the likes of you? Please. You're intellectual cannon fodder, but you have demonstrated the quote's legitimacy quite well

$1:
"Lighten up a bit."


Smarten up a lot

   



ridenrain @ Thu Aug 09, 2007 12:21 pm

Tricks Tricks:
WBenson WBenson:
Tricks Tricks:
WBenson WBenson:
Tricks Tricks:
Heavy_Metal Heavy_Metal:
world war II we were still a part of the British Empire,
No we weren't.


The British Empire considered Canada a part of it. Canada considered itself part of the British Empire. It had full independence granted since the Statute of Westminster, but was definitely still considered a part of the Empire.

If you look at the QEW monument (erected in 1940, 1 year after the royal visit) in Toronto, it makes mention of the first visit of a reigning sovereign to a "Dominion of the Empire."
We were no longer part of the British Empire per the Statute of Westminster. We went by our own choosing for what we thought had to be done.


We were fully independent and autonomous (as per the Statute), and went by our own choosing, you are right, but Canada was still considered part of the empire by both other countries and Canada itself.
To be part of the empire, we would not have gone of our own choosing. Britain would have told us to go.



This is the thread that started this branch.
Again, please explain, without you're usual verbose personal attacks, how this directly relates to the 3 Canadians protesting in China? It doesn't so you're going to shout and bluster until I get bored and leave, then you will pencil another notch on you're monitor and claim victory.

I started talking about how these Canadians have been deported, which is a hell of a lot more topical than you're Canadian history lesson.
Rather than get all red in the face, simply admit this was off topis and let us get back to discussing the state of political protest in China.

   



kaetz @ Thu Aug 09, 2007 12:23 pm

ridenrain ridenrain:
This is the thread that started this branch.
Again, please explain, without you're usual verbose personal attacks, how this directly relates to the 3 Canadians protesting in China? It doesn't so you're going to shout and bluster until I get bored and leave, then you will pencil another notch on you're monitor and claim victory.
Rather than get all red in the face, simply admit this was off topis and let us get back to discussing the state of political protest in China.


c'mon riden! the guy's got his medal, hasn't he? why to bother at all?

   



ridenrain @ Thu Aug 09, 2007 12:47 pm

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Sorry HM. You're thread may have been started like this but page 4 shows that it's really all about:

$1:
an exploration of our past commitments to fighting human inequities (which WAS the topic).


This has been decreed by our betters so we simply must submit to their benign vision :roll:
How blind and foolish to imagine that a thread titled" Canadians arrested in China" should explore Canadian history and our relationship with the commonwealth.
Thank goodness these historical facts have surfaced and predicted their sudded deportation.

Funny thing is that I do expect the threads to go askew but when windbags refuse to accept that they are off topic, it makes me laugh. But then.. I'm off topic. :D

   



Mustang1 @ Thu Aug 09, 2007 1:09 pm

ridenrain ridenrain:


This is the thread that started this branch.
Again, please explain, without you're usual verbose personal attacks, how this directly relates to the 3 Canadians protesting in China? It doesn't so you're going to shout and bluster until I get bored and leave, then you will pencil another notch on you're monitor and claim victory.


I already articulated it quite succinctly. Your reading comprehension issues are not my concern or your inability to make a point.

$1:
“I started talking about how these Canadians have been deported, which is a hell of a lot more topical than you're Canadian history lesson.”


Apparently others saw another angle and decided to pursue it. The fact that you can’t see the relevancy is immaterial as are your “Content Police” declarations. Don’t like it – don’t post. Either way, we won’t be missing out on much

$1:
“Rather than get all red in the face, simply admit this was off topis and let us get back to discussing the state of political protest in China.”


Rather than continuously intellectually sleep smashing my elbow, why not admit that it was on topic (like I need your endorsement for much here) and you need to butt out if you don’t like it. The sad thing is you honestly believe your opinion matters here. I’ll post what I want, when I want – and so will HeavyMetal, Tricks and WBenson and you can keep mashing out your litany of intellectually shallow comments till your heart’s content.

   



Mustang1 @ Thu Aug 09, 2007 1:13 pm

ridenrain ridenrain:
How blind and foolish to imagine that a thread titled" Canadians arrested in China" should explore Canadian history and our relationship with the commonwealth.


Says you – I already explained the relationship, but I guess it’s lost on the cognitively challenged. No worries as this obviously beyond your meager educational qualifications. Hey, maybe you could give us one of your bushleague commentaries on “right” and “left” and how you have absolutely no idea about what they mean? That’s always good for a laugh

$1:
“Funny thing is that I do expect the threads to go askew but when windbags refuse to accept that they are off topic, it makes me laugh. But then.. I'm off topic”


I’d rather be accused of being a “windbag” than a “dullard”. Oh yeah, you’re still off topic, hypocrite.

Oh...and perhaps you could tell me how this is indeed immaterial, "Actually, HeavyMetal (on the 1st page, BEFORE you posted here) and DrCaleb were referencing the fact that egregious acts of inhumanity that have occurred on foreign soil have been addressed by Canada in the past. HeavyMetal asserted that our historical tackling of intolerance sometimes wasn’t significant, or didn’t directly involve immediate protection of Canada and other times, we were simply obligated as a member of the British Empire (he said WWII). Tricks followed that up with a questioning of our motivations regarding WWII. "

I'll be waiting for you response.

   



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