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<strong>Title: </strong> <a href="/link.php?id=23722" target="_blank">Canadians arrested in China</a> (click to view)

<strong>Category:</strong> <a href="/news/topic/16-misc-world" target="_blank">Misc World</a>
<strong>Posted By: </strong> <a href="/modules.php?name=Your_Account&op=userinfo&username=Heavy_Metal" target="_blank">Heavy_Metal</a>
<strong>Date: </strong> 2007-08-07 14:40:59
<strong>Canadian</strong>

   

I am drawn...part of me says it is up to Canada to help people who can't help themselves because of tyrants etc.

but the other part of me thinks who the FUCK are we to tell a sovereign country what to do? how dare these people go to another country and bitch about what they are doing to ANOTHER country all of which HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH CANADA,nor does it affect Canada.

so what the fuck?

I have to ask, how many of you people would be PISSED if people from other countries kept coming to this country (besides immigrants etc, they want to stay and work...for the most part) just to protest...i don't know, how we make fun of Quebec, or what have you.

now why do these people think it is ok to go to another country and scream from the roof tops (or wall tops)their OWN agenda.

I'm putting it to you people, should people continue to fuck with international sovereignty, or should these tree huggers get a fucking life and do something useful like bitch about the shit that is going on in THIS country?

look forward to the replies.

   

Any country which does not grant its people basic human rights has no claim to sovereignty.

   

Being Canadian does not give anyone rights to violate the laws of another country, no matter their opinion. I have no sympathy for these people, as they went to another country and did something they knew would draw an official reaction. I may not agree with China's stance on Tibet, but that doesn't change the fact that they broke the law.

   

We participated in Gulf War I, did we not? World War II, Korea . . .

Do we now back down because it is China? Or, do we stand for what is right?

   

basic human rights, what are basic human rights? who decides this? and who are we to tell a country which has been civilized, and more or less doing the same thing for THOUSANDS OF YEARS...

...hey....hey you can't do this.....why....because I don't think it's right....

well who are you?

i'm a person who thinks how you live and decide to govern over your own people is wrong......

.......thanks for coming out.

you can not place your own cultural and moral views on a culture that is RADICALLY different from yours, for if you try to force another country to change the way they do something, you are no better than they are!

   

gulf war, we picked up body parts, world war II we were still a part of the British Empire, they were threatened, we responded as did hundreds of thousands of other men and women from across the Commonwealth, Korea....well i haven't done enough research on this to really comment on it.

each of the wars mentioned had a calculated government response, and yes with the exception of World War II, these wars should not have involved Canada, or the United states, our government has realized this and is not fucking with China because IT IS NONE OF OUR BUSINESS.

who the fuck are we to say what is right or wrong?

   

   

Its called freedom of expression? I have no objection to people protesting as long as they do it in a civilised, non-violent manner. I never have protested on another's country's soil though and probably will not find myself doing this.


How can we not? Locking people up for questioning a government that supposedly has the people's interests at heart is wrong. All men deserve to be free and we should stand up so men can be free here and abroad.


I'm sure they knew this going there and they took a bullet for people that are being oppressed. They did what they felt was right and I applaud them for their courage.

   

Luckily, we don't have to rely on our own opinions. Invading another country and removing it's government - be it Kuwait, Poland or Tibet is against international law.

And I agree with Bootlegga too. Don't go to China and protest Tibet and not expect to get arrested [detained/tortured/disappeared]. Bravo to the protesters for believing in a cause worth dying for! It's a rare thing these days.

So, does Canada back down because we are facing China, or do we be silent and respectful and keep our opinions to ourselves, for fear of upsetting out biggest supplier of toxic childrens toys and pet food, or do we follow our morals and say the Emperor has no Stanfields?

   

"don't do the crime if you can't do the time"

These people were ready for the time, lets wait and see how the chinese treat them before making a fuss

   

what is right and what is wrong? and who are you or us to decide and tell ANOTHER PERSON YOUR interpretation of that? i guess this, again, comes down to interpretation, and individual views, and the power of those individuals, and when you try to enforce YOUR interpretation of what is right and wrong your none better than those who are in the opinion your interpretations are countering.




courage....or stupidity for throwing their lives away...what did their death and or imprisonment gain...truly? a little blip on the TV, a little 2 min clip? a sound bite? a heated debate? one month and no one will care to remember but those directly involved.

   

i do agree with you totally, invading another country is wrong and completely against international law....but why the need to protest in China? you know well all the people protesting the war in Iraq outside the united states, do these people protest on american soil.

what is the need to go to another country to protest? a protest at home would be much smarter than going to another country and breaking their law would it not?

   

Maybe because China really doesn't give two sh*ts who protests the Tibet situation in whatever country.

   

Well I guess forcing people to be part of a country they never wanted to be in through occupation is right to you? Perhaps if a country decided to kill a million Christians within its borders or Muslims that is okay because what we “perceive” as right really shouldn't be held up in any way to other nations who may not agree with our views?

This is not my own interpretation either by the way read the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights. The People's Republic of China is a member of the United Nations and even has it's own seat on the security council. So obviously they agreed with what it says if not then they really should have no part in the UN. Obviously they know what they are doing is wrong and therefore should be stood up too and told to start obeying the rights that were set out in this declaration. These are the rights what people have. Countries that do not wish to follow them should be ridiculed for it here and on their soil. It is our duty as a signatory member of this organisation to promote these rights set forth here and elsewhere and anyone who wishes to do so deserves our support for trying to liberate people who may be oppressed or whose rights are not being protected.



Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world,

Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind, and the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people,

Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law,

Whereas it is essential to promote the development of friendly relations between nations,

Whereas the peoples of the United Nations have in the Charter reaffirmed their faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person and in the equal rights of men and women and have determined to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom,

Whereas Member States have pledged themselves to achieve, in co-operation with the United Nations, the promotion of universal respect for and observance of human rights and fundamental freedoms,

Whereas a common understanding of these rights and freedoms is of the greatest importance for the full realization of this pledge,

Now, Therefore THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY proclaims THIS UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS as a common standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations, to the end that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this Declaration constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive measures, national and international, to secure their universal and effective recognition and observance, both among the peoples of Member States themselves and among the peoples of territories under their jurisdiction.



It gave a people perhaps hope? That someone actually cares about them enough to put their own lives at risk to help them? It speaks volumes and sends a message. I don't think liberty is stupid either.

   

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