Christian refuses to drive "No God" bus
Newsbot @ Fri Jan 16, 2009 1:57 pm
Title: Christian refuses to drive "No God" bus
Category: Religion
Posted By: bootlegga
Date: 2009-01-16 12:43:15
acidcomplex @ Fri Jan 16, 2009 1:58 pm
He did not do his job, he should be fired for such a stupid complaint
Ripcat @ Fri Jan 16, 2009 2:51 pm
The faith is not strong in this one, Obi Wan.
Choban @ Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:01 pm
I think he has a right to such a refusal.
commanderkai @ Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:04 pm
I have to agree with both Choban and Ripcat. He probably has a right to refusal on religious grounds, however he shouldn't get offended by a bus sign, considering there are many other things Christians should worry about, like real oppression, instead of a bunch of hypocritical, money wasting atheists.
Unsound @ Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:09 pm
So, do atheist drivers get to refuse to drive buses with church ads on them? Do film buffs get to refuse to drive buses with ads for Adam Sandler movies on them? Do muslim drivers get to refuse to drive buses with ads where the women aren't in Birkas?
Caelon @ Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:13 pm
commanderkai commanderkai:
I have to agree with both Choban and Ripcat. He probably has a right to refusal on religious grounds, however he shouldn't get offended by a bus sign, considering there are many other things Christians should worry about, like real oppression, instead of a bunch of hypocritical, money wasting atheists.
The employer has designated a duty within the driver's job description and the driver refused to comply. I am pretty sure the union contract does not allow refusal of work based on advertising signs. Therefore the employee is in breach of contract and is subject to dismissal.
In reality he will get a written warning or two and not fired at this time due to potential bad PR. However the warnings are on his file and the next trangression will mean dismissal without warning. So the employee will be fired for xxxxx, but the work refusal made it possible. The new employee problably could car less about what is on the side of the bus and will be happy to have a job.
Brenda @ Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:20 pm
Unsound Unsound:
So, do atheist drivers get to refuse to drive buses with church ads on them? Do film buffs get to refuse to drive buses with ads for Adam Sandler movies on them? Do muslim drivers get to refuse to drive buses with ads where the women aren't in Birkas?
My thoughts exactly.
Caelon Caelon:
In reality he will get a written warning or two and not fired at this time due to potential bad PR. However the warnings are on his file and the next trangression will mean dismissal without warning. So the employee will be fired for xxxxx, but the work refusal made it possible. The new employee problably could car less about what is on the side of the bus and will be happy to have a job.
In reality, he drives another bus without the ads on it, case closed.
If he is so offended by these ads, maybe je should come to the conclusion that this boss is not suitable to his needs, and he might even look for a more suitable work place. Church, maybe?
Hewer @ Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:22 pm
Choban Choban:
I think he has a right to such a refusal.
Which he exercised. And I assume his employer has the right to discipline him for putting a personal belief above a job that has nothing to do with religion, especially if people were denied bus service that day.
Ripcat @ Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:27 pm
Caelon Caelon:
commanderkai commanderkai:
I have to agree with both Choban and Ripcat. He probably has a right to refusal on religious grounds, however he shouldn't get offended by a bus sign, considering there are many other things Christians should worry about, like real oppression, instead of a bunch of hypocritical, money wasting atheists.
The employer has designated a duty within the driver's job description and the driver refused to comply. I am pretty sure the union contract does not allow refusal of work based on advertising signs. Therefore the employee is in breach of contract and is subject to dismissal.
In reality he will get a written warning or two and not fired at this time due to potential bad PR. However the warnings are on his file and the next trangression will mean dismissal without warning. So the employee will be fired for xxxxx, but the work refusal made it possible. The new employee problably could car less about what is on the side of the bus and will be happy to have a job.
Well, I am pretty sure then then that the same contract states employees must be treated with dignity and their beliefs treated with respect. It could be argued in front of an arbitrator that this employee's beliefs are not being respected and that it is an indignity for him to drive a bus with such advertising.
Choban @ Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:31 pm
Hewer Hewer:
Choban Choban:
I think he has a right to such a refusal.
Which he exercised. And I assume his employer has the right to discipline him for putting a personal belief above a job that has nothing to do with religion, especially if people were denied bus service that day.
Oh I quite agree, I am a dispatcher and get weird requests from my drivers all the time, I've had drivers refuse to drive certain tractors for various reasons. If his employer truly values him they will find a way to work it out, If not just disipline him.
Religious belief is a valid reason to refuse work though, this man has rights and he exercised them.
Choban @ Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:33 pm
Ripcat Ripcat:
Caelon Caelon:
commanderkai commanderkai:
I have to agree with both Choban and Ripcat. He probably has a right to refusal on religious grounds, however he shouldn't get offended by a bus sign, considering there are many other things Christians should worry about, like real oppression, instead of a bunch of hypocritical, money wasting atheists.
The employer has designated a duty within the driver's job description and the driver refused to comply. I am pretty sure the union contract does not allow refusal of work based on advertising signs. Therefore the employee is in breach of contract and is subject to dismissal.
In reality he will get a written warning or two and not fired at this time due to potential bad PR. However the warnings are on his file and the next trangression will mean dismissal without warning. So the employee will be fired for xxxxx, but the work refusal made it possible. The new employee problably could car less about what is on the side of the bus and will be happy to have a job.
Well, I am pretty sure then then that the same contract states employees must be treated with dignity and their beliefs treated with respect. It could be argued in front of an arbitrator that this employee's beliefs are not being respected and that it is an indignity for him to drive a bus with such advertising.
A union would side with the worker in this case.
Tricks @ Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:47 pm
What an asshole
commanderkai @ Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:56 pm
Caelon Caelon:
The employer has designated a duty within the driver's job description and the driver refused to comply. I am pretty sure the union contract does not allow refusal of work based on advertising signs. Therefore the employee is in breach of contract and is subject to dismissal.
You have a Muslim orderly at a hospital, his or her religious beliefs state that they cannot handle pork, and as such, they cannot be forced to handle pork against their religious beliefs. This is no different. I'm sure his union contract can refuse work when it steps upon his private religious beliefs.
$1:
In reality he will get a written warning or two and not fired at this time due to potential bad PR.
No, he won't even get a warning due to bad PR, him getting fired would constitute a lawsuit, to be sure.
$1:
However the warnings are on his file and the next trangression will mean dismissal without warning. So the employee will be fired for xxxxx, but the work refusal made it possible. The new employee problably could car less about what is on the side of the bus and will be happy to have a job.
Possibly, but that does not discount the fact that you cannot force somebody to do something against their religious belief.
roger-roger @ Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:26 pm
Meh the bus driver was just being a cry baby. 
kinda like some of the people who call into this show...
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