Clashes break out at summit protest
Mustang1 Mustang1:
There's nothing wrong with protests. The problem today is that there is a quasi-professional element that hijacks legitimate agendas and turns the whole thing into a violence clash. While this might be seen by many to be counter-productive, it's great guerrilla propaganda. It's on the news, in the papers and on the Net - it's sensationalized actions sell media, but unfortunately, the message (and sometimes it's legit) is lost in the mayhem. That's unfortunate.
Agreed.
Many of the people who pick up the paper and read this story may think the protesters are fighting for Native rights or something, they don't mention the point of protest. Free Media Coverage isn't always good...
I agree about the professonal protesters. They need to grab the headlines so push their cause, and the shortest way to that is violence.
I do find it funny that this year most of the pepper is being kept on the steak, rather than the protesters.
Tricks @ Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:32 am
Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:
-Mario- -Mario-:
Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:
ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
gee mr. c, what happened to your infatuation with all things american?
*curses heavily* FUCK AMERICA!

I'm sorry to break this one for you... but we live in America too. U.S. citizens shouldn't call themselves Americans.... because, technically, people from canada to Chili are Americans

If I hear someone say that I am American because I live in North American one mroe time I might just stab someone in the throat.

Believe me. You are telling me NOTHING that people who love to taunt me have told me 40,000 times and had to be taught the lesson of how well I take cheeky comments the hard way...
It gets so damn annoying. You all know who I mean.

Fine, Fuck the USA. Fuck Amerika. Screw the Yankee State. Happier?

Dude settle the fuck down.
Tricks Tricks:
Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:
-Mario- -Mario-:
Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:
ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
gee mr. c, what happened to your infatuation with all things american?
*curses heavily* FUCK AMERICA!

I'm sorry to break this one for you... but we live in America too. U.S. citizens shouldn't call themselves Americans.... because, technically, people from canada to Chili are Americans

If I hear someone say that I am American because I live in North American one mroe time I might just stab someone in the throat.

Believe me. You are telling me NOTHING that people who love to taunt me have told me 40,000 times and had to be taught the lesson of how well I take cheeky comments the hard way...
It gets so damn annoying. You all know who I mean.

Fine, Fuck the USA. Fuck Amerika. Screw the Yankee State. Happier?

Dude settle the fuck down.
:lol: This again,
You're one to talk,

It's your violent talk that gave me violent idea's, I blame you!
Hell, it's better then blaming me playing Grand Theft Auto...
ridenrain ridenrain:
I agree about the professonal protesters. They need to grab the headlines so push their cause, and the shortest way to that is violence.
I do find it funny that this year most of the pepper is being kept on the steak, rather than the protesters.
I agree too, but there is a method to the madness.
Without the clashes, there is no news coverage. There has been a severe lack of coverage about the SPP in recent years, and it's the clashes with police that have garnered the spotlight. There have been protests across the country in the last few days, but only the violent one gets the press - which I think is part of the point.
The courts have ruled that the protesters have the right to be seen and heard, so at the summit has cameras and sound piped in to the lobby - but who is to say the monitors and sound are actually on?
Mustang1
$1:
There's nothing wrong with protests. The problem today is that there is a quasi-professional element that hijacks legitimate agendas and turns the whole thing into a violence clash. While this might be seen by many to be counter-productive, it's great guerrilla propaganda. It's on the news, in the papers and on the Net - it's sensationalized actions sell media, but unfortunately, the message (and sometimes it's legit) is lost in the mayhem. That's unfortunate.
And is illegal----incitement or conspiracy to riot.
I recall a group whinning about Canadian border authorities turning them back when the customs guys found gas-masks in the vehicles. They were headed for the Quebec conference.
That eliminated three van loads of whachos.........
These protesters are looking like a bunch of idiots. Although, I recognize the right to protest in this country. But often they seem to go too far. They provoke the barricades, then don't like it when pushed back. And as soon as they get hit or something, they go crying to the media.
Here is some video of the manifestation (French Quebec) VIDEO
Also, during a separate portion of the newscast, they spoke to some of the protesters. It was so funny because most did not even know the reason for the protest. It's no surprise, in Quebec, there is a manifestation every 30 minutes, for all kind of stupid reasons. Usually encouraged by the unions.
DrCaleb @ Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:58 pm
sasquatch2 sasquatch2:
And is illegal----incitement or conspiracy to riot.
I recall a group whinning about Canadian border authorities turning them back when the customs guys found gas-masks in the vehicles. They were headed for the Quebec conference.
That eliminated three van loads of whachos.........
So, do you think the COPS who incite riots will be charged?
"A video posted online to YouTube from Monday's protests shows Dave Coles, president of the Communications, Energy, and Paperworkers Union of Canada, accusing three men dressed as "Black Bloc" anarchists of being police agents sent to provoke violence. The trio refused to remove their bandannas, and were taken into custody behind a line of riot police to the derision of protesters."
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news ... 18cfa0547f
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ ... ional/home
And the Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St1-WTc1kow
Funny that on the news, I heard 4 people had been arrested, but only 1 person charged with anything.
Dr. Caleb,
I'm glad you believe the unfounded accusations of Dave Coles as being definitive proof that the police were sending agent provacteurs into the crowd to incite violence against their very own such that their very own may be injured.
Brilliant.
In any protest, there are the professional protestors dressed just like those folks who, believe it or not, aren't policemen but rather violent little pricks looking for a fight.
Funny that in the Criminal Code, you can arrest somebody for attempting to breach the peace and not be able to charge them with something. But then I guess you'll skip over that such that you can keep your fantasies alive.
Samsquantch,
I think you're talking about S. 63, Unlawful Assembly. The right to protest is protected in S. 2 of the Charter. However, you can't just protest any old way you want. You can't burn shit down, fight the police, vandalize, start a riot and/or participate in one, interfere with the poor bastard sent to read the Riot Act or any other such thing.
2Cdo @ Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:35 pm
Dayseed Dayseed:
Dr. Caleb,
I'm glad you believe the unfounded accusations of Dave Coles as being definitive proof that the police were sending agent provacteurs into the crowd to incite violence against their very own such that their very own may be injured.
Brilliant.
In any protest, there are the professional protestors dressed just like those folks who, believe it or not, aren't policemen but rather violent little pricks looking for a fight.
Funny that in the Criminal Code, you can arrest somebody for attempting to breach the peace and not be able to charge them with something. But then I guess you'll skip over that such that you can keep your fantasies alive.
Samsquantch,
I think you're talking about S. 63, Unlawful Assembly. The right to protest is protected in S. 2 of the Charter. However, you can't just protest any old way you want. You can't burn shit down, fight the police, vandalize, start a riot and/or participate in one, interfere with the poor bastard sent to read the Riot Act or any other such thing.
Well said!
Dayseed Dayseed:
Dr. Caleb,
I'm glad you believe the unfounded accusations of Dave Coles as being definitive proof that the police were sending agent provacteurs into the crowd to incite violence against their very own such that their very own may be injured.
Brilliant.
In any protest, there are the professional protestors dressed just like those folks who, believe it or not, aren't policemen but rather violent little pricks looking for a fight.
Funny that in the Criminal Code, you can arrest somebody for attempting to breach the peace and not be able to charge them with something. But then I guess you'll skip over that such that you can keep your fantasies alive.
Samsquantch,
I think you're talking about S. 63, Unlawful Assembly. The right to protest is protected in S. 2 of the Charter. However, you can't just protest any old way you want. You can't burn shit down, fight the police, vandalize, start a riot and/or participate in one, interfere with the poor bastard sent to read the Riot Act or any other such thing.
Definitive proof? No. Plausible? Yes. I have no love of professional anarchists, but I also have no love of the tactics that some police use to stop protests. Luckily, I don't edit for Canada.com or the Globe and Mail, so I don't have the responsibility to check facts.
As you state, people have the right to peacefully protest. Not only just where police say they can protest. People bring gas masks because they know some rowdy will cause trouble, not as a sign that they intend trouble. Not all protests or protesters are rowdy.
And I skipped over nothing. I thought it interesting that the 6 o'clock news I heard corroborated the assertion that 3 violent protesters could have been undercover cops. Perhaps they weren't undercover cops. Point is, they could have been. Perhaps David Coles knows who came with him to the protests, and these 3 guys weren't on that list. Perhaps, we'll never know.
Just out of curiosity Dayseed - do you think the Police and the Anarchists shop at the same shoestore?
$1:
Just out of curiosity Dayseed - do you think the Police and the Anarchists shop at the same shoestore?
Hmmm, I chose my hush puppy-type work shoes for the thing here. I think I got them at Work Warehouse. I don't recall seeing either cops or anarchists there.
karra @ Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:22 pm
$1:
Just out of curiosity Dayseed - do you think the Police and the Anarchists shop at the same shoestore?
Nice try Caleb - that is nothing other than a Canadian Safety Association for sole and toe protection. Looks like the union nutters shop for preparedness too, eh wot?
Furthermore, the plants are xly plants planted by the Unions involved - there will be Records of Arrest but only for Breach of the Peace - that is the only paperwork that will exist as long as other charges are not laid.
Mind you - I suppose it's more than possible the three arrested were natives of some place or other - or perhaps they were muslims with an eye to studying the total and abject stupidity of the West's left wing nutters - or maybe even they were Jamaicans happy to get three squares for three guys in the local hoosegow seeing as foodstuffs and the like have been somewhat scare a la Jamaica of recent mon. . . .
Rev_Blair Rev_Blair:
$1:
Just out of curiosity Dayseed - do you think the Police and the Anarchists shop at the same shoestore?
Hmmm, I chose my hush puppy-type work shoes for the thing here. I think I got them at Work Warehouse. I don't recall seeing either cops or anarchists there.
Yup. I have boots with a similar sole. Not saying that pic is proof of anything, just another tick in the 'plausible' column.