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That a lot of egg on the face to go around. Humble pie anyone?

   

Scape,

I still don't think that the SQ intended to spark a riot. I think their undercover cops got exposed and they tried to cover it up by arresting them.

Still, once they got called out and their cover was blown, they should have drifted into the background rather than drawing attention to themselves by getting into a shoving match with Dave Coles.

To those that think the cop should be charged with assault, the law won't allow it. As I recall from the video, Dave Cole wasn't too bashful about shoving, so the fight is mutual and therefore, the charge of assault on either is null and void.

   

Yep...Well they ARE Quebec cops

   

Oh, riot control that's something I have some experience in... and oddly enough with the SQ, coincidence? I know their tactics and being among the crowd is SOP. Makes it easy after the fact for the courts to press charges and point out ring leaders and that's the 1st thing they target. Take out the guy with the bull horn and the crowd will flee that's how a small but well organized squad of riot control police have the advantage over a numerically superior mob.

Yes, this is now a full blown media circus. Heads and entire detachments should roll for this one. Belief in their intent at this point is not going to quell that, there now needs to be a serious redress after this major and public loss of face by the SQ. Admitting their part this early is a good sign and hopefully the time needed to heal this self inflicted PR wound won't be too long to win back public trust.

   

SQ a pawn? Possible but a faux pau on this scale is most certainly within the realm of possibility as far as the SQ is concerned. They have a history of major debacles so this is not out of their scope. There are plenty of good officers in the SQ but they are all human and under pressure crack just like any one else and can make huge mistakes.

   

Actually, if people simply ignore this for a few days, Dave Coles' 15 minutes of fame will pass.

   

That's what Dave is saying

   

I always find it amusing when people's right to express them self freely and peacefully gets stopped by cops with batons and pepper spray, and the people who get their jollies from that come out.

So, now we have admission that the SD were in the crowd, prepared possible to throw those rocks that start the 'beat down'. And it is by far the first time that the riot has probably been started by undercover members of the police or even the riot squad.

Remember the quote: "I disagree with what you say, but I defend with my life your right to say it." by Voltaire? Think about that next time your watching people doing the G-8 two step.



Cry. Because today you don't agree with the cause, tomorrow it may be something you are passionate enough about to protest - and you may decide not to add your voice because the riot squad may do exactally the same thing. That's the loss of democracy, by 1000 cuts.

   

So what was the rock for? Was he afraid that a coyote might attack him or something?

   

The SQ has a long history of corruption, what were they up to who knows. They are not very bright to wear regulation shoes to a protest, if these three are their brightest undercover agents drug dealers must be laughing in the streets.

Do I care? Not really, these fools protest anything and everything. Today the US tomorrow Toilet Paper is the next global warming issue. Fools and their ideals never part they protest.

   

Lowering Canadian standards for worker and food safety in the interest of securing a deal with the U.S. and Mexico where standards are lower or even none existent and having the whole process happen with out any oversight or review with no input whatsoever from the people that it effects is certainly grounds for protest. Unless of course your Chinese.

   

There's not much doubt that the SQ are corrupt, but at something like this, they aren't the ones calling the shots either. They didn't send those three out there without at least getting permission from whoever was in charge of security.

We need a full public enquiry going back at least to the mess in 2001. Then we need some laws to make sure the cops never do anything like this again.



That's exactly correct, Scape. If they want to swing deals, then everybody should have to adhere to the highest standards. Instead we drop our standards.

In the case of things like wages where cost of living makes a difference, come to a reasonable compromise...if paying those 15 year old Mexican girls who string wiring harnesses together $12.00 an hour, giving them overtime after 8 hours, and giving them health benefits is going to kill General Motors, then maybe GM shareholders should be wondering why the incompetent bastards in charge are getting paid at all.

   

Good stuff. We should be able to use NAFTA and all that free trade BS to make the Mexicans make Mexico a better place for their people and their workers. And where Mexican wages and labour laws are not equal to US & Canadian then I suppose that constitutes an unfair government subsidy on the part of the Mexicans, doesn't it?

Hmmm. I think you may be on to something here.

   

the wages paid to those workers in mexico should reflect the cost of living in their area. a wage of $ 12 an hour unreasonable in most of mexico, except in areas that require skilled labour. benefits and working conditions are what needs to be worked on first and foremost.

   

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