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Good Luck Stephan. Most freaking Muslim in that country hate us with a passion. Does he honestly think they'd let NATO just walk in and take over part of their sovereign territory under the guise of helping out?

Musharraf is walking a fine line, trying to stay in power and keep both the west and radical islam happy. Any incursion into Pakistan would set off a frenzy of Muslim Radicals, not to mention the general population, that would make Baghdad look like disney land.

This just might be the reason that the US hasn't tried to force the issue of putting troops in the border regions.

It would be great to see NATO or the US go into the border regions of pakistan and clean out the taliban and Al Queda but it just isn't going to happen, since it would destabilize the entire region even further than it is already.

These kinds of inane statements just prove that Mr Dion is sorely lacking in the preqequisite political acumen requied to be a leader when it comes to global politics.

   

Just playing down to the competition.


You're the one telling me that Dion didn't say anything about NATO invading Pakistan when he said:



Reguardless of what you think or believe he meant to say, he said that NATO should look into actions inside Pakistan even though they have already been very clear that they don't want NATO troops there.
Dion should have known that but this "fact finding mission" has nothing to do with Pakistan or Afghanistan because his mind is already made up and this is directly about politics in Canada.

Dion and the Libs don't care a rats ass about the mission, the Afghan people, or our troops and what they are fighting for.

In fact, if we want to look at Dion's track record of comments on the mission, you'd get pretty dizzy.

2005 - Dion For Mission: Dion is in the Liberal cabinet when they decide to send Canadian troops to Afghanistan. He is back in the Liberal cabinet when they decide to move Canadian troops from Kabul to Kandahar
March 2006 - Dion For Mission: "It's a very important mission and we want to be there," he told a Canadian Press reporter in early March. "We will succeed in Afghanistan if we show a lot of determination," he said on CTV a few days later. "We need to be resolute and to succeed." (Toronto Star, December 6, 2006)
May 2006 - Dion Against Mission: Dion votes AGAINST extending the mission (May 17th, 2006)
May 2006 - Dion For Mission: “I have always been a strong supporter of Canada’s mission in Afghanistan and Kandahar, and of those who have gone there to fulfill it, Canada’s Armed Forces.” (http://stephanedion.ca/?q=en/node/120)
September 2006 - Dion For Mission and Against Withdrawal: Stephane Dion said that Canada would "dishonour" itself if it withdrew its troops from Afghanistan. (Vancouver Sun, September 19, 2006)
November 2006 - Dion Against Mission and For Withdrawal BEFORE 2009: Stephane Dion says Canada should withdraw its troops "with honour" from Afghanistan before 2009 because their current mission is ill-conceived and misguided. (Edmonton Journal, November 22, 2006)
December 2006 - Dion Against Mission: Dion said he would consider a withdrawal "with honour" of Canadian troops from Afghanistan because the mission is ill-conceived and has bogged down. (Toronto Star, December 4, 2006)
December 12, 2006 - Dion For Bloc Motion: Dion said he might support a non-confidence vote on Afghanistan, even though it was a former Liberal government that first sent Canadian troops there. "It's not the same mission at all now ... We went in Kandahar to help a U.S. mission to become a NATO mission. And it's done. Mr. Harper requested a two-year extension without a clear mandate, without commitment from the other nations. ... We are in another world now." (Toronto Star, December 12, 2006)
December 19, 2006 - Dion Against Bloc Motion: "I don't understand the Bloc's position, at all," Dion told reporters in Quebec City. "It doesn't seem very useful to me to want to bring down the government on that in February." (Toronto Star, December 19, 2006)
December 19, 2006 - Dion For Mission, Says Can’t Give up: "We can't give up on the mission until we have deployed everything to ensure it works." (Montreal Gazette, December 19, 2006)
January 24, 2007 – Dion Says He Needs More Information: Dion said the Liberals will call on the Commons foreign affairs committee to hold hearings on the mission. He said they want more information about the mandate of Canada's soldiers and on how $10 million in development aid is being spent. (CP, January 24, 2007)
February 22, 2007 – Dion Says Maintain Mission Until 2009: “By establishing a timeline for the conclusion of our combat mission in Kandahar in 2009, by insisting other nations share a greater part of the burden, by better integrating our military, diplomatic and development efforts, by helping the Afghan government take more responsibility, and by addressing the opium economy and water challenges, a Liberal government would ensure Canada has a responsible strategy in Afghanistan,” said Mr. Dion (Liberal Party Press Release, February 22, 2007)
April 24, 2007 – Dion Wants Mission to Stay Only Until 2009: Dion votes to support Liberal motion to maintain mission until 2009.
May 16, 2007 – Dion Says Mission Must End February 2009: No. The combat mission in Kandahar must end in February 2009 (Policy Options,, June 2007, http://www.irpp.org/po/archive/jun07/dion.pdf)
May 16, 2007 – Dion rules out any continuing of role in Afghanistan: Asked if he envisioned a possible continuing role in Afghanistan for Canada, such as redeploying to another part of the country, Dion replied: “No”. (Policy Options,, June 2007, http://www.irpp.org/po/archive/jun07/dion.pdf)
June 6, 2007 – Dion Open To Maintaining Forces in Afghanistan Past 2009: Liberal Leader Stéphane Dion yesterday opened the door to keeping Canadian troops in Afghanistan after February, 2009, but insisted they would have to be withdrawn from their current combat mission in the volatile southern region. (Globe and Mail, June 6, 2007)
June 22, 2007 – Dion Says Mission Must End in 2009: Liberal Leader Stephane Dion said the prime minister is not being clear enough. ``He is being irresponsible by being so ambiguous,'' Dion said, adding the mission should end on schedule because Canadians are needed elsewhere around the world. (CP, June 22, 2007)
June 22, 2007 – Dion Open to Continuing Role: “If you want to train other soldiers, you may need to have some of your soldiers involved, but the combat mission as such is end in february 2009, and to continue with this ambiguous statements from the prime minister is because he wants to stay. I think he has the same kind of attitude that when in 2003 he was proposing to go in the war in iraq.” (CBC Newsworld, June 22, 2007)
July 5, 2007 – Dion Says Mission Must End in February 2009: Liberal Leader Stéphane Dion called on Harper to make it clear to Canada's NATO partners that the Canadian mission will end as scheduled in February 2009 and not a minute longer. "No other country has more burden on its shoulders ... than Canada," said Dion, adding that Canada "will welcome other countries to do more. "The Prime Minister has said that he needs to have a consensus in order to extend the mission beyond February of 2009," Dion said. "This consensus will never exist." (Toronto Star, July 5, 2007)

They say you can't trust a man by what he says but what he does....
We're still waiting for the monkey king to do something other than abstain and talk.

   

His english is getting better
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mzc-6qs40A4&eurl=http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=127202[/youtube]

Do remember that this is for Canadian media only.
It's expecially funny that he's wearing a cammo jacket, not the ones the Libs sent our poor under-equipped troops in with.

   

Never mind what I think he might have said--nowhere in there does he say he wants to invade Pakistan. Which you seem unable to grasp. Which isn't surprising considering you've got the brains of a tapeworm.

   

He's saying that NATO must look at moving into a country that has specifically and openly warned that they do not want foreign involvement. Moving into other countries who don't want us there sounds a lot like invasion to me.

Again, don't tell me what you think he said because Pakistan got pretty much the same idea:

So is you're leader uninformed or actually asking NATO to go to war with Pakistan?

   

Well it seems that a lot of other people interpreted what he said the same way Ridenrain did. He didn't twist Dion's words at all. If Dion wants to remain the leader of the Liberal Party for a few more months then, he should choose his words alittle more carefully so they aren't easily misconstrued.

The only way the situation can be effectively dealt with in Pakistan is through force, ergo if Canada and NATO were to assist Pakistan in helping itself it would have to involve military intervention/assistance. Anyone who thinks this can be solved by diplomacy or money is deluding themselves.

   

This is difficult because you are so dense.

Again--I'm not telling you what I THINK he said. I'm telling you what he said. He didn't say he wanted to invade Pakistan, you Epsilon semi-moron. You are the one trying to say what you THOUGHT he meant with his words, by providing context outside of what he said ("Pakistan has specifically warned yadda yadda yadda). Seriously, I've had better debate with a turnip.

   

This is Derby's usual stock and trade.. when he fails, he resorts to these stupid insults and pointless swearing. If you want to go down that road too, please go ahead but you're only looking like an ass too.

This does show that Dion and the "new" Liberals have no clue what the mission is about, don't care, and are simply using Pakistan as just another stage for their Canadian election campaign.

If Harper had said something as dumb as that, we'd never be able to get a word in edgewise, and he'd be a dolt sor saying it also.

   

Lets be honest here, Dion will say anything to ge this name in the press, hoping it will change the outcome in the polls. He is far behind he thinks hes ahead.

He is the scariest man in Canadian Politics today. Because he is nothing but a Jellyfish.


This man and therefore his party have no credibility.

dont waste your Vote, give the CPC a Majority!!!!

   

Yeah, but the tomatoes pwnd you in that last debate you had in the produce section.

" Attention shoppers, disregard the individual yelling at the carrots, he's merely giving them his rebuttal."

   

Amd another intellectual giant jumps into the ftay!

   

Whatever. Dion didn't say he was going to invade Pakistan. That much is clear. The rest--calling you out for the disingenuous numb-skull you really are--is just fun!

   

And if Harper, Day or Mckay said that, you'd be just as forgiving?
You wouldn't use the word invade but see the honest, true meaning?
Somehow you're progresive vision of inocent until proven guilty would win out?
Bullshit.

The proof of Dion's stupidity is proven by the words of Pakistan.
However you Liberals want to spin this has failed. Dion is a embarassment to Canada on a global scale and even the CBC can't hide this one.

   

No spin, no prospect of Dion stumbling on English but a clear declaration to invade/intervene militarily in Pakistan.

Zipperfish


Is this evidence of the fallacy of "whole-language reading"????

Can't get much clearer than that.

Despite this being perhaps the first incidence of my agreeing with DION. Maybe DION did learn something in Afghanistan. Proof that even a stopped clock is correct twice a day.

However, although i have always loathed "Yalu Rivers", invading Pakistan is not a good course of action. Air support of Pakistani government forces and SF raids into terrorist havens is another matter. No sanctuaries.

   

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