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Well, if he's calling for an invasion of Pakistan, maybe he'll support increasing our current stay in Afghanistan too.

   

Well, I'm not a Hawkings by any stretch of the imagination, but if we're comparing and contrasting intellects, using you as the measuring stick, then I'm Atlas to your Tom Thumb.

   

He really should work on clarifying himself with the people of Pakistan


Keep out, Canada
Calgary Herald
Published: Friday, January 18, 2008
Re: "Dion touts NATO action in Pakistan for peace," Jan. 17.

We are dismayed by Liberal Leader Stephane Dion's statement about NATO intervention in Pakistan.

It shows a lack of understanding of the ground realities. We have, at the highest level, made it clear that Pakistan will not allow any foreign forces to operate within its territory under any circumstances.




The sovereignty of the state will not be compromised at any level as the government and people of Pakistan are fully capable of handling their security matters themselves.

Pakistan is a peace-loving country and has joined the international community in the war against terrorism as an equal partner.

Pakistan's contribution in this regard has been recognized throughout the world.

The price paid by Pakistan being a frontline state cannot be undermined by certain irrational comments.

Pakistan has said all along that the problem lies inside Afghanistan and the solution should come from there, too.

It is because of the security situation there that Pakistan is facing heat across the border.

Mamoona Amjed,

Ottawa

Mamoona Amjed is press counsellor for the Pakistan High Commission.




© The Calgary Herald

   

Well, fact is Harper's doing dick-all to win the war in Afghanistan and Dion's right--as long as the Taliban can disappear over the border and come back again with impunity, they won't be defeated. It'll just drag on. There seems to be a lot of political will to stay in Afghanistan, but not much will to win in Afghanistan.

   

Perhaps--by most mythology accounts Atlas wasn't that bright, whereas Tom Thumb was a wily little bugger. So I can't say I disagree with you there.

   

So just what is Dion's big plan to "win the war " cut and run , sit in the safe corners and do nothing. Remember he is the one who wants the non-combat roll.
Come on spit it out I would like to hear his big plan. I also want to hear his plan on how to save the "sliding economy". Which I'm sure he will try to make an issue out of in the coming months.

Lots of criticisms but we're still waiting for the plan(s).

   

Never mind I found his answer about Afghanistan:roll:


Mansbridge said diplomatic efforts have done little to curb the flow of militants from Pakistan, and asked the Liberal leader what he suggested as a better solution.

"Well, I have no other solution than to say that we need to be very assertive in our diplomatic effort and pressure on Pakistan."

When asked what being assertive meant, Dion replied: "I have no magic solution to offer on that and nobody has."

   

Lets keep following your plan for failure which is keep wasting troops and money and never ask nor expect the Afghanis to step up and assert themselves in their own country and keep fighting the exact same battles over and over and over.

Much better.

   

Actually the ANA is taking a bigger role, but it will be some time before they are able to operate independently.

   

well lets hear yours...Dion's

   

Some time? 5 years? 10 years? We raised an army from almost and fought WW2 in less time. History is filled with examples of countries doing just that. Aside from the fact we shouldn't be fighting their battles they have had more then enough time and training to fight what amounts to vastly less trained opponents. According to some of the less-enlightening posters the people we are allied with successfully fought and overthrew the USSR with far less NATO (AKA US) help and these very same people can't beat the least of their group.

If they haven't done it by now then its either because they don't really want to or we really are training the people that we see come back as the Taliban in later months.

The truth is that Karzai doesn't want foreign troops to leave because he and his drug smuggling gov't hasn't got the support of the people which is exactly why he has repeatedly said that negotiations and a role for the Taliban in Afghanistan's gov't are in his game plan. The only stumbling block is us and th efact that the Taliban won't negotiate with foreign troops in their country. I don't blame them.

We need to stop wasting our very limited resources in a war that will not be won by military force and can only be won by the very people who don't appear in the least bit interested in doing so as long as they have others willing to do it for them.

Now this partisan hackery aside from the usual moronic suspects there has always been those people saying the very sentiment being echoed here, namely that as long as the borders remain swiss cheese then the war will never end and those people have indeed mused at military action in Pakistan, an action they can't seem to realize will only inflame the situation more.

Lets get the fuck out of a situation that has gotten as good as we can make it and concentrate on our own backyard and our own resoration of the forces before the public truly does decide to elect a gov't that will erase all the gains made in the last 8 years.

Its time we accepted that it is their country and their responsibility and deal with things that are our responsibility.

   

I wonder if a lot of right-wingers even want to win the war. Maybe they just want to be at war because it's some big socialist make-work program they can identify with.

Great post Derby.

   

This is delicious. You should listen to what you left-overs are saying.
You're flopping all over the place. Some want to stay, and some want to go. Some want us to stop fighting but demand other countries do more fighting. Even Zip is heckling us for not doing enough to win this fight.
Who's playing politics and who's the weak leader again?

The Conservatives have been behind the mission and the troops when this started and we remain solidly behind the mission.

   

great post ridenrain

   

Derby it is so easy to criticize a country from the safety and comfort of your home that is safe and warm and the most dangerous thing you face everyday is you!

Afghanistan has no ifrastructure (paved roads, running water, sewage etc.) We are not there just to fight but also to build, but we need to fight first if we are to build.

After 30 years of war it is understandable that the Afghan people are a little unsure of our role there, and will need time to truly understand what we are trying to do.

We should not be enforcing our drug laws on this country, because we cant fight the war on drugs and the war on terror at the same time. It is a fact that opium is money making crop and as long as they make enormous amounts of money it outweighs the risks, besides this drug problem was not a problem under the Taliban.

You do have point about problems in our own backyard, but unless more young Canadians decide to join the military we will always be short of fulfilling all of our mandates, and pulling the plug on Afghanistan will not solve our problems.....to solve problems takes political will and as long as the gov't is a minority there is no political will!!!

   

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