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BeaverFever @ Sat Mar 07, 2020 2:49 pm

A couple of archived films from the 1930s showing new deal reforms that built the modern world people recognize today in the first world countries



   



Thanos @ Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:02 pm

But clearly the best option would have been to let tens of millions of working-class men go jobless, homeless, and probably starve to death along with their un-needed surplus families in order to keep the free market safe from government interference! Why can't all the bleeding-heart socialist commies see that?!?!?!?

   



herbie @ Sat Mar 07, 2020 6:36 pm

Modern evils.
Just came home from SaveOn buy 2 pack of weenies get one free. $12.99...

   



BeaverFever @ Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:50 pm

herbie herbie:
buy 2 pack of weenies get one free...


We got fiddle and bart, I think vulpine was the free throw-in. Still want my money back.

   



herbie @ Sat Mar 07, 2020 10:22 pm

Sorry that was a mis-post. It was buy one get one free. So people were to get all excited and pay $6.50 for fucking hot dogs. Also noticed the buns were $4.99 pkg. Five bucks for hot dog buns....

   



Martin15 @ Sat Mar 07, 2020 11:06 pm

BeaverFever BeaverFever:
thinks happened during WW2

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Sure thing R=UP


:lol: :lol: :lol:

   



N_Fiddledog @ Sun Mar 08, 2020 2:16 am

My God Beave...what have you done to the last two pages. In appearance it's like a stream Progressive Socialist vomit offered up as some sort of proof of some unknown something.

Although, it sounds like you might simply be trying to say something like this:

"World War II institutionalized the falling standards of living of the Depression through wage and price controls, and extensive rationing of consumer goods and services."

However...

$1:
A common fallacy is that the Great Depression was ended by the explosive spending of World War II. But World War II actually institutionalized the sharp decline in the standard of living caused by the Depression. The Depression was actually ended, and prosperity restored, by the sharp reductions in spending, taxes and regulation at the end of World War II, exactly contrary to the analysis of Keynesian so-called economists...


https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferra ... 9a5f9e57d3

What you're offering up is a kind of intellectual sleight of hand. It's just the left hand being active so you don't see the right hand doing the trick.

The article explains what actually happened. It had nothing to do with any of what you're hysterically pointing at.

You're not even pointing at the right time period for when America's rise out of the depression was finally solidified.

It was more like this:

$1:
“After World War II, when ten million demobilized servicemen returned to an economy that had to be converted from a garrison state to civilian needs, economists steeled themselves for a renewed depression. A sweeping Republican victory in the Congressional election of 1946, however, brought an end to the wartime government-planning regime [overregulation]. Dropping from 42 percent of GDP to 14 percent, government spending plummeted by a total of 61 percent between 1945 and 1947. One hundred fifty thousand government regulators were laid off, along with perhaps a million other civilian employees of government. The War Production Board, the War Labor Board, and the Office of Price Administration were dismantled [deregulation].”

   



DrCaleb @ Sun Mar 08, 2020 9:17 am

herbie herbie:
Sorry that was a mis-post. It was buy one get one free. So people were to get all excited and pay $6.50 for fucking hot dogs. Also noticed the buns were $4.99 pkg. Five bucks for hot dog buns....


The sausage and buns that used to be 99 cents each?

:evil:

   



BeaverFever @ Sun Mar 08, 2020 12:58 pm

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
My God Beave...what have you done to the last two pages. In appearance it's like a stream Progressive Socialist vomit offered up as some sort of proof of some unknown something.

Although, it sounds like you might simply be trying to say something like this:

"World War II institutionalized the falling standards of living of the Depression through wage and price controls, and extensive rationing of consumer goods and services."

However...

$1:
A common fallacy is that the Great Depression was ended by the explosive spending of World War II. But World War II actually institutionalized the sharp decline in the standard of living caused by the Depression. The Depression was actually ended, and prosperity restored, by the sharp reductions in spending, taxes and regulation at the end of World War II, exactly contrary to the analysis of Keynesian so-called economists...


https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferra ... 9a5f9e57d3

What you're offering up is a kind of intellectual sleight of hand. It's just the left hand being active so you don't see the right hand doing the trick.

The article explains what actually happened. It had nothing to do with any of what you're hysterically pointing at.

You're not even pointing at the right time period for when America's rise out of the depression was finally solidified.

It was more like this:

$1:
“After World War II, when ten million demobilized servicemen returned to an economy that had to be converted from a garrison state to civilian needs, economists steeled themselves for a renewed depression. A sweeping Republican victory in the Congressional election of 1946, however, brought an end to the wartime government-planning regime [overregulation]. Dropping from 42 percent of GDP to 14 percent, government spending plummeted by a total of 61 percent between 1945 and 1947. One hundred fifty thousand government regulators were laid off, along with perhaps a million other civilian employees of government. The War Production Board, the War Labor Board, and the Office of Price Administration were dismantled [deregulation].”


Well you spent the day googling desperately until you found a right wing propagandist from the Heartland institute who claims the depression didn’t end until after ww2 which is not view widely shared. He uses the circular logic of saying you can’t count the economic boom years during the war because it was fuelled by government spending, not market demand. So he’s saying history shows that government spending never expands the economy, if you exclude all they years that government spending actually expanded the economy. Yeah and the Leafs always win the Stanley Cup, if you exclude all the years that they didn’t

Of course at the end of the war the size of government shrank and spending reduced. This was the cause of the 8-month Recession of 1945, which your propagandist neatly glosses over. There was also an almost year-long recession in 1948-49 related to demobilization as well. There was not a massive deregulation of the economy.Certain wartime measures were eased but most of the New Deal era business regulations enacted to prevent the business shenanigans that triggered the Great Depression remaied until the Reagan era.

   



N_Fiddledog @ Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:38 pm

Actually the idea that deregulation is most likely the main determinant that solidified the end of the depression is pretty well known. You just hadn't heard about it yourself but that sort of knowledge-block to Beave-world is not unusual.

I did know about it so I just typed it into Duck, Duck, Go (because google is useless for everything except pictures) saw the first link was from Forbes and said to myself maybe Beave will whine less with this one.

But I'll reiterate my personal hypothesis. You can stimulate the economy by grabbing people's money and spreading it around. But only briefly. Then you run out of other people's money. Even Obama's stimulus worked a bit but again only briefly, then the economy didn't look like it was going to make an actual recovery until the Republicans took over congress in late 2014 into 2015. Then Trump finalized the idea that America was open for business again when he took over with deregulation a year or two later.

With World War II I'm not sure how much the American economy was improved during the war but I imagine in some areas there was an increase in production. Didn't matter. The real economic boom that couldn't stop didn't happen until the soldiers came home into systems organized to deregulate in order to get production booming.

   



FieryVulpine @ Sun Mar 08, 2020 2:08 pm

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
With World War II I'm not sure how much the American economy was improved during the war but I imagine in some areas there was an increase in production. Didn't matter. The real economic boom that couldn't stop didn't happen until the soldiers came home into systems organized to deregulate in order to get production booming.

Planes, tanks, and ships don't build themselves.

As for the post-WWII recession, that could just as easily be explain by that fact that the war ENDED with the economy transitioning from wartime to peacetime. Moving forward a bit, it's curious how lefties forget about the stagflation that dominated seventies after the Oil Embargo of 1973. Granted, the GOP presided over it from 1973 to77, but the Carter Administration presided over it from 1977 to 1981. However, Trudeau the Elder was Prime Minister of Canada throughout all of it with the exception of the Clark government. Was that another leftist win? :lol:

   



N_Fiddledog @ Sun Mar 08, 2020 2:16 pm

FieryVulpine FieryVulpine:
Planes, tanks, and ships don't build themselves.


Yes and I'm going to guess that in order to produce them at the increased levels necessary regulations had to be relaxed.

I would guess that would become a truth throughout the production system of America.

When the soldiers came home, they walked into that truth and it continued.

   



herbie @ Sun Mar 08, 2020 2:38 pm

$1:
it's curious how lefties forget about the stagflation that dominated seventies after the Oil Embargo of 1973.

No it isn't curious. Everyone forgets total bullshit that didn't happen.

   



BeaverFever @ Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:34 pm

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
Actually the idea that deregulation is most likely the main determinant that solidified the end of the depression is pretty well known. You just hadn't heard about it yourself but that sort of knowledge-block to Beave-world is not unusual.

I did know about it so I just typed it into Duck, Duck, Go (because google is useless for everything except pictures) saw the first link was from Forbes and said to myself maybe Beave will whine less with this one.

But I'll reiterate my personal hypothesis. You can stimulate the economy by grabbing people's money and spreading it around. But only briefly. Then you run out of other people's money. Even Obama's stimulus worked a bit but again only briefly, then the economy didn't look like it was going to make an actual recovery until the Republicans took over congress in late 2014 into 2015. Then Trump finalized the idea that America was open for business again when he took over with deregulation a year or two later.

With World War II I'm not sure how much the American economy was improved during the war but I imagine in some areas there was an increase in production. Didn't matter. The real economic boom that couldn't stop didn't happen until the soldiers came home into systems organized to deregulate in order to get production booming.



There wasn’t “deregulation”. Factories that made vehicles and helmets and bayonets during the war years started making pots and pans and tractor parts of whatever. The mills that supplied the military with powdered milk and powdered eggs for the troops went on to invent instant cake mixes. And so on for thousands of businesses big and small. But that’s not “deregulation “. Those are businesses that were founded or grew massively using government money for the war effort, then transitioned to private enterprise after the war.

   



N_Fiddledog @ Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:43 pm

Well as far as that goes, as I said, I'm just guessing. So are you. All I know is if you want to produce stuff these days, there are regulations. Hiring and firing there are regulations. And so it goes... Perhaps it was easier back then. All I know is FDR was the guy that made owning gold illegal and put the Japanese in camps.

I read this below from a Libertarian. Show me why it isn't true. I'd like a better reference this time than you don't approve of the guy though.

$1:
Why did it end? Too many reasons to attach in one article. Everything from regained American confidence to a lack of new domestic laws to decreased post-WW2 spending to the fact the rest of the world is blown to hell, call it what someone wants, it ended. Even though it ended many years after FDR died and Roosevelt ended his time in office with horrible unemployment numbers, it was still a legacy he gets the title of holding.[/color]


https://beinglibertarian.com/can-we-fin ... president/

   



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