First Nations girl chooses traditional medicine over chemo
Gunnair @ Sat May 17, 2014 8:39 am
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Gunnair Gunnair:
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I'm not writing that because I'm aggressive because of her or parents actions.
Sure, but irrespective of that, you're going to keep the focus on the 10 year old. The victim here as she is hardly mature enough to make a decision of this importance.
But she makes it anyway (if that's she, not her parents). In 10 years person can understand the difference if someone will explain.
Really? So you believe that a 10 year old can be sat down, have the consequences of their actions explained to them, and they will have a full understanding of them?
How has that worked with your kids?
andyt @ Sat May 17, 2014 8:40 am
Gunnair Gunnair:
Well, yeah, there's quite a difference from you and a 10 year old in decision making capabilities and life experience. So it's not comparable. However, an outside agency does need to step in. Unfortunately you'd need a rifle company to do it.
This leukaemia has a 75% survival rate with treatment. It's not some last ditch effort here on a terminal disease.
This leukaemia has a 75% survival rate with treatment. It's not some last ditch effort here on a terminal disease.
Which is why she won't get treatment, most likely.
Maybe they can negotiate something with the parents. They don't sound totally hard core. And they don't sound that nuts. They're not Jehovah's witnesses doing this for religious reasons, they did allow treatment initially. Maybe they are the best people to decide when the treatment is too horrible for their girl and would rather allow her to die but suffer less. This is a tough one, where I can't just jump on one side or the other.
Regina @ Sat May 17, 2014 8:40 am
Gunnair Gunnair:
Finally, western medicine isn't a cure all.
Acupuncture being a good example. Didn't work for me but I've seen it work.
Gunnair @ Sat May 17, 2014 8:44 am
andyt andyt:
Gunnair Gunnair:
Well, yeah, there's quite a difference from you and a 10 year old in decision making capabilities and life experience. So it's not comparable. However, an outside agency does need to step in. Unfortunately you'd need a rifle company to do it.
This leukaemia has a 75% survival rate with treatment. It's not some last ditch effort here on a terminal disease.
This leukaemia has a 75% survival rate with treatment. It's not some last ditch effort here on a terminal disease.
Which is why she won't get treatment, most likely.
Maybe they can negotiate something with the parents. They don't sound totally hard core. And they don't sound that nuts. They're not Jehovah's witnesses doing this for religious reasons, they did allow treatment initially. Maybe they are the best people to decide when the treatment is too horrible for their girl and would rather allow her to die but suffer less. This is a tough one, where I can't just jump on one side or the other.
They didn't decide...or at least they won't admit deciding. They placed that responsibility on the 10 year old.
What if we changed the narrative and changed this from a 10 year old deciding about treatment options for a terminal disease to a 10 year old discussing age of consent.
I doubt we'd be leaving that decision in her hands nor the hands of her parents.
She doesn't yet have that cognitive decision making ability.
PostFactum @ Sat May 17, 2014 8:47 am
Gunnair Gunnair:
How has that worked with your kids?
I don't mean all actions, but this can be understood. Thanks to heaven, I don't have kids with this disease.
Regina @ Sat May 17, 2014 8:48 am
BRAH BRAH:
My aunt also had it used Western medicine and died within two years.
MS is different with every person. When it happens and how fast it can advance so it would be nearly impossible to compare from one to another. Since there is no cure there is only treatment. What non traditional treatment are you referring to?
andyt @ Sat May 17, 2014 8:53 am
It's different than the age of consent. I can see no upside in allowing a 10 yr old to have sex. The girl certainly should not have final say here. As I say, maybe the parents and the authorities can work something out. I'd hate to be in the position to have to make that decision. But if she dies from the chemo, after being forced to take it, somebody is gonna have some splainin to do.
$1:
Yes, chemotherapy can make you feel nauseated and make you throw up. It can make your hair fall out. It can temporarily depress the immune system. It can cause bleeding complications, such as GI bleeding. It can cause kidney damage. It can cause heart damage. It can cause lung damage. It can cause nerve damage. It can make you lose weight. It can even result in your death from complications. In short, it is not something to be used lightly. Unfortunately, the disease it’s meant to fight is a formidable foe indeed. It is your own cells, and all too often the difference between the toxicity of chemotherapy against the cancer and against normal cells is not that large.
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/che ... om-cancer/
Living on with damaged organs doesn't sound all that good either.
Regina @ Sat May 17, 2014 9:01 am
andyt andyt:
Living on with damaged organs doesn't sound all that good either.
As opposed to not living at all?
andyt @ Sat May 17, 2014 9:04 am
Yes. Merely being alive isn't much of a life. It's where many doctors get lost, not focusing on quality of life, just preserving it.
Regina @ Sat May 17, 2014 9:11 am
Sure.........
andyt @ Sat May 17, 2014 9:15 am
We agree. That's good.
Gunnair @ Sat May 17, 2014 9:30 am
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Gunnair Gunnair:
How has that worked with your kids?
I don't mean all actions, but this can be understood. Thanks to heaven, I don't have kids with this disease.
How has reasoning worked with your kids?
Jabberwalker @ Sat May 17, 2014 9:31 am
My aunt also had it used Western medicine and died within two years.
I have used Western medicine all of my life and it is a 100% certainty that I am going to die.
Gunnair @ Sat May 17, 2014 9:31 am
andyt andyt:
Yes. Merely being alive isn't much of a life. It's where many doctors get lost, not focusing on quality of life, just preserving it.
That's an easy judgement to make in your twilight years, Andy.
PostFactum @ Sat May 17, 2014 9:33 am
Gunnair Gunnair:
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Gunnair Gunnair:
How has that worked with your kids?
I don't mean all actions, but this can be understood. Thanks to heaven, I don't have kids with this disease.
How has reasoning worked with your kids?
I don't have my own kids, my girlfriend has 2 nephews one 12 and one 5. Those one who is 12 understands actions and consequences of most that he is doing.