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N_Fiddledog @ Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:47 am
desertdude desertdude:
Palestinians will always be seen as the bad guys in the west as the heavy anti muslim and strongly pro Israel media paints them out to be.
Another fiddly
Another fiddly
Well, if Putin's RT network is acceptable as support, I don't see why you should have an objection to Newsbusters.
The New York Times' Wretched Anti-Israel Bias Comes in All Too Clear
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Three Israeli teenagers were kidnapped on June 12 while hitchhiking home in the West Bank. They were found dead on June 30, murdered by Hamas militants. Palestinians attacked the ambulance carrying their bodies. Later Hamas launched rocket attacks on Israeli civilians, while Israel countered with air strikes on specific terrorist targets.
The paper's coverage of the ongoing situation has been marked by intense anti-Israel bias in tone and labeling, and a false moral equivalence between the behavior of "extremist" Israelis and merely "militant" Palestinian terrorists.
The paper's coverage of the ongoing situation has been marked by intense anti-Israel bias in tone and labeling, and a false moral equivalence between the behavior of "extremist" Israelis and merely "militant" Palestinian terrorists.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/clay-water ... -too-clear
Only CBS Identifies Israel's Targets as 'Terrorists'; NBC and ABC See 'Militants'
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Of the three morning shows on Thursday, only CBS allowed that Israel's targets in the ongoing violence could be called "terrorists." ABC and NBC described "militants " The networks all highlighted the plight of Palestinian civilians hurt or killed by Israel. But their journalists failed to wonder if Hamas was using people as human shields. Instead, Good Morning America's Alex Marquardt highlighted, "So far, around 80 Palestinians killed, the vast majority civilians. This morning, eight members of a single family mistakenly killed." [See video below. MP3 audio here.]
Translating from a woman whose house was destroyed, Marquardt quoted, "There is no reason to attack my house...There are no militants here." On CBS This Morning, Holly Williams narrated, "The Palestinians have no protection. This home was flattened by an Israeli strike yesterday. A man and two children were rushed to the hospital." But only CBS deviated from referring to Hamas as "militants."
Williams allowed, "Israel says it's targeting terrorists in Gaza, hitting command centers and rocket launchers used by Hamas."
On Wednesday, a Hamas spokesman declared, "All Israelis have now become legitimate targets."
Yet, for a report in the GMA 8am hour, Dan Harris stuck to the script, noting that among the Palestinian death toll were "three militants."
NBC's Today offered the least amount of coverage, just 35 seconds over four hours. Though brief, Craig Melvin avoided the word "militant" and "terrorist," instead noting:
CRAIG MELVIN: Secretary of State John Kerry is working to ease the growing tension between Israel and Hamas. This is day three of the heaviest fighting in years and neither side appears ready to back down. Israel continued to carry out air strikes in Gaza early this morning. Palestinian officials say seven people were killed, including five children when a strike destroyed their home. So far, more than 750 targets have been hit this week.
To his credit, ABC's Marquardt explained the toll on Israel, pointing out that "more that 250 rockets and mortars have been fired at Israel from the Gaza Strip. Hamas, now able to reach 100 miles away with its powerful arsenal."
The Media Research Center's Dan Gainor noted on Wednesday that the networks chose "militant" or "fighters" over "terrorists" by a scale of 9-to-1.
Translating from a woman whose house was destroyed, Marquardt quoted, "There is no reason to attack my house...There are no militants here." On CBS This Morning, Holly Williams narrated, "The Palestinians have no protection. This home was flattened by an Israeli strike yesterday. A man and two children were rushed to the hospital." But only CBS deviated from referring to Hamas as "militants."
Williams allowed, "Israel says it's targeting terrorists in Gaza, hitting command centers and rocket launchers used by Hamas."
On Wednesday, a Hamas spokesman declared, "All Israelis have now become legitimate targets."
Yet, for a report in the GMA 8am hour, Dan Harris stuck to the script, noting that among the Palestinian death toll were "three militants."
NBC's Today offered the least amount of coverage, just 35 seconds over four hours. Though brief, Craig Melvin avoided the word "militant" and "terrorist," instead noting:
CRAIG MELVIN: Secretary of State John Kerry is working to ease the growing tension between Israel and Hamas. This is day three of the heaviest fighting in years and neither side appears ready to back down. Israel continued to carry out air strikes in Gaza early this morning. Palestinian officials say seven people were killed, including five children when a strike destroyed their home. So far, more than 750 targets have been hit this week.
To his credit, ABC's Marquardt explained the toll on Israel, pointing out that "more that 250 rockets and mortars have been fired at Israel from the Gaza Strip. Hamas, now able to reach 100 miles away with its powerful arsenal."
The Media Research Center's Dan Gainor noted on Wednesday that the networks chose "militant" or "fighters" over "terrorists" by a scale of 9-to-1.
andyt @ Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:49 am
Read some of the posts on CKA and tell me there's not Israel good sentiment in play - by the majority it seems.
I never had sympathy for the IRA, because they had their own country - leave Northern Ireland for the protestants. Same reason I think it would be in Israel's interest to let the Palestinians have their own, viable country. I know in that case my own sentiment would immediately shift toward Israel if the Palestinians kept up the attacks, doubt I'm the only one. But as long as Israel pursues its lebensraum policy, I see that as no different than rocket attacks and suicide bombings. The violence isn't as bloody, but taking land by force of arms is certainly violence. If Israel thinks it can have peace and International standing after successfully ethnically cleansing the Palestinians, it's got a screw loose.
N_Fiddledog @ Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:54 am
andyt andyt:
But as long as Israel pursues its lebensraum policy,
If Israel had such a thing, there would be no West Bank and Gaza.
N_Fiddledog @ Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:06 am
monty16 monty16:
Add me to the growing list of people who aren't going to be taken in by the US propaganda which is supporting the Zionist apartheid regime.
Only in the daydreams of the far left and friends of Jihad is Anti-Israel sentiment growing.
N_Fiddledog @ Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:26 am
monty16 monty16:
Canada and Canadians just don't want to be a part of that.
It is my perception that the members of the left who insist - knowingly or on a subconscious brain trained vibration - of speaking out of a perspective of cultural Marxism should learn to speak for themselves.
BartSimpson @ Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:35 am
Thanos Thanos:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Let the Palestinians first choose peace and then Israel will have to come to the table in good faith to discuss the place of the Palestinians in the company of civiized peoples.
I highly doubt the political and social motivations of Likud are as honourable and selfless as you want to believe. The Palestinians not giving them an excuse to drop bombs by murdering teenagers or sending suicide bombers onto transit buses would seem like the pragmatic thing to do, of course.
I never mentioned Likud and their motivations are irrelevant.
What's relevant is that if the Palestinians actually choose peace then Israel will be shamed into having to talk to the Palestinians. But so long as the Palestinians freely elect groups like Hamas to be their leadership and to wage a terror war on Israel then the Palestinians will have no credibility with most of the West.
martin14 @ Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:48 am
monty16 monty16:
Oyyyyyyyy vey, the humanity!!
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Well that didn't take long.
BartSimpson @ Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:48 am
monty16 monty16:
A day in the occupied territories: or
Oyyyyyyyy vey, the humanity!!
Last week the Palestinians put together a homemade rocket and launched it with a car spring across the border into Israel! The rocket which was constructed mostly of a piece of rusted stovepipe and some explosive powder salvaged from some fire crackers, landed in Abe Goobermann's mother's cow pasture, frightening Abe's mother's milk cow so badly that she (the cow, not Abe's mother) refused to give milk for nearly two days. Ahhhhhhhhh, the humanity!!
This left Abe's 2 month old baby without kosher milk for 3 hours past his feeding time, or at least until Abe could send his wife to the corner store to buy a quart.
But that's not the horror of the story yet. What became totally unbearable was that the quart from the corner store could have actually been unclean non-kosher milk!! This of course made a revenge attack against the kids who put the stovepipe and firecrackers together a clearly justifies action by the Zionist military in return. The Zionists therefore, totally justifiably, fired a dozen guided missiles into the Gaza, killing 24 Palestinian women and 40 children. The Palestinians said it was more like over a hundred people slaughtered but the number has proven to be of little importance.
What is important is that the cow is now forever nervous and is quite likely to dry up on merely hearing a fircracker explode within a mile or two. And of course, the most wicked and lasting damage coming out of this act of sub-human cruelty by the Palestinian kids, is that Abe's little baby could have actually been subjected to unclean and non-kosher milk!!!! Ahhhhhhhh, the humanity???
Oyyyyyyyy vey, the humanity!!
Last week the Palestinians put together a homemade rocket and launched it with a car spring across the border into Israel! The rocket which was constructed mostly of a piece of rusted stovepipe and some explosive powder salvaged from some fire crackers, landed in Abe Goobermann's mother's cow pasture, frightening Abe's mother's milk cow so badly that she (the cow, not Abe's mother) refused to give milk for nearly two days. Ahhhhhhhhh, the humanity!!
This left Abe's 2 month old baby without kosher milk for 3 hours past his feeding time, or at least until Abe could send his wife to the corner store to buy a quart.
But that's not the horror of the story yet. What became totally unbearable was that the quart from the corner store could have actually been unclean non-kosher milk!! This of course made a revenge attack against the kids who put the stovepipe and firecrackers together a clearly justifies action by the Zionist military in return. The Zionists therefore, totally justifiably, fired a dozen guided missiles into the Gaza, killing 24 Palestinian women and 40 children. The Palestinians said it was more like over a hundred people slaughtered but the number has proven to be of little importance.
What is important is that the cow is now forever nervous and is quite likely to dry up on merely hearing a fircracker explode within a mile or two. And of course, the most wicked and lasting damage coming out of this act of sub-human cruelty by the Palestinian kids, is that Abe's little baby could have actually been subjected to unclean and non-kosher milk!!!! Ahhhhhhhh, the humanity???
Lame BS story.
The truth is far different.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qassam_rocket
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The Qassam rocket (Arabic: صاروخ القسام Ṣārūkh al-Qassām; also Kassam) is a simple, steel artillery rocket developed and deployed by the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, the military arm of Hamas. Three models have been produced and used, with the first introduced in 2001.
More generally, all types of Palestinian rockets fired into southern Israel, for example the Palestinian Islamic Jihad Al Quds rockets, are called Qassams by the Israeli media, and often by foreign media.[4] The Qassam gained notoriety as the best-known type of rocket deployed by Palestinian militants mainly against Israeli civilians, but also some military targets during the Second Intifada of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict.[5][6] Since 2000, Palestinian rockets, which include the Qassam, alongside others such as the Grad rocket, have been used to kill 22 Israeli citizens and one Thai national (as of January 9, 2009).[7][8] These rockets cannot be fired precisely to target specific military objectives in or near civilian areas. Human Rights Watch issued an analysis, stating, that "such weapons are therefore indiscriminate when used against targets in population centers. The absence of Israeli military forces in the areas where rockets hit, as well as statements by leaders of Palestinian armed groups that population centers were being targeted, indicate that the armed groups deliberately attacked Israeli civilians and civilian objects."[9]
The international community considers the use of indiscriminate attacks on civilian populations[10][11][9] and the use of human shields[12][13][14] as illegal under international law.[15]
More generally, all types of Palestinian rockets fired into southern Israel, for example the Palestinian Islamic Jihad Al Quds rockets, are called Qassams by the Israeli media, and often by foreign media.[4] The Qassam gained notoriety as the best-known type of rocket deployed by Palestinian militants mainly against Israeli civilians, but also some military targets during the Second Intifada of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict.[5][6] Since 2000, Palestinian rockets, which include the Qassam, alongside others such as the Grad rocket, have been used to kill 22 Israeli citizens and one Thai national (as of January 9, 2009).[7][8] These rockets cannot be fired precisely to target specific military objectives in or near civilian areas. Human Rights Watch issued an analysis, stating, that "such weapons are therefore indiscriminate when used against targets in population centers. The absence of Israeli military forces in the areas where rockets hit, as well as statements by leaders of Palestinian armed groups that population centers were being targeted, indicate that the armed groups deliberately attacked Israeli civilians and civilian objects."[9]
The international community considers the use of indiscriminate attacks on civilian populations[10][11][9] and the use of human shields[12][13][14] as illegal under international law.[15]
Thanos @ Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:56 am
Abe Gooberman? Wasn't he that New York shyster who stole all the royalties from Badfinger and John Fogerty? 
BRAH @ Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:58 am
desertdude desertdude:
PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:
desertdude desertdude:
Palestinians will always be seen as the bad guys in the west as the heavy anti muslim and strongly pro Israel media paints them out to be.
Right, because actions mean nothing. So I guess the previously mentioned IRA were also always seen as the bad guys in the West because of the heavy anti-Catholic and strongly pro-Protestant media painting them as bad guys? Hell, the same "excuses" could be made for the FLQ. They were just misunderstood by a highly anti-French, pro-English media.
Oh and by the way DD, in Canada the media is definitely NOT what one would call "pro-Israel".
Diane sawyer from ABC showing the destruction caused by Israeli airstrikes as that of damage from the Hamas rockets
Another Anti-Israeli piece by the Lame Stream Media, where's Flat Board Fatimah or Green Helmet Man? Hamas has a track record of playing the Lame Stream Media like chumps.
BRAH @ Fri Jul 11, 2014 11:04 am
Goober911 Goober911:
I disagree, and strongly at that.
They have not played towards an agreement.
Kerist, Biden lands and they announce an expansion of land around Jerusalem.
Yep- that sure was a smooth move.
The more they control, the smaller the Palestinian state that is presently chopped into pieces.
Fuk me.
They have not played towards an agreement.
Kerist, Biden lands and they announce an expansion of land around Jerusalem.
Yep- that sure was a smooth move.
The more they control, the smaller the Palestinian state that is presently chopped into pieces.
Fuk me.
Thanks for being honest about your feelings towards Israel.
2Cdo @ Fri Jul 11, 2014 11:18 am
monty16 monty16:
Canada and Canadians just don't want to be a part of that.
Please don't include me in your list of fucktards who think like you.
desertdude @ Fri Jul 11, 2014 11:38 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
desertdude desertdude:
Palestinians will always be seen as the bad guys in the west as the heavy anti muslim and strongly pro Israel media paints them out to be.
Am I mistaken or are you endorsing continued attacks against Israel by the Palestinians? If so then it should be no wonder to you when the Israelis strike back at their tormentors
Maybe you missed my post where I strongly condemn Hamas for their continued use of dumb rockets against the civilians of Israel.
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
The Jews are not dhimmis and they are not ever going to submit to moslem rule. The choice is to make peace with them, like Egypt and Jordan did, or to have your houses bombed, like Hamas does.
Its been a very long time since I gave you a lesson in Islam 101, maybe even years, but those were the days when you were pulling out facts from you back side, remember those days. I'm glad to say those days are over, whether I had any part to play in that or not I don't know but I'm glad none the less.
Let me explain to you what Dhimmi really means actually pronounced Zimmi from the word Dhimma pronounced Zimma meaning responsibility. Muslims living under a caliphate are obliged by law to pay tax i.e zakat. But there is no such obligation to non muslims so they were ( or if there is another proper caliphhate) are required to pay a tax, which is lower than the one for Muslims called jiziyah. In return they are offered protection, full freedom to do as they please, their property and business, make judgements aming themselves according to their beliefs, are left alone and if anyone wages war against them then or harms them then it is the obligation for the muslims to fight their enemies and seek justice for them. So basically dhimmi means a protected person who is the responsibility of the state. Unfortunately we can't find any such examples in recent times.
Now I am sure fiddly will pull out some weird crap from Bobs Spencer, Spam geller or some other similar shit which I'm duly and rightly so, going to ignore. Because as mentioned earlier the onus to prove his shit right is on him and not me.
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
If the Palestinians choose to commit suicide-by-Jew then that's their misfortune.
Let the Palestinians first choose peace and then Israel will have to come to the table in good faith to discuss the place of the Palestinians in the company of civilized peoples.
Let the Palestinians first choose peace and then Israel will have to come to the table in good faith to discuss the place of the Palestinians in the company of civilized peoples.
Once again painting in very board strokes, if one person has a methlab in his house doesn't mean you blow up the entire block, although unfortunately that has been the tactic of Israel.
desertdude @ Fri Jul 11, 2014 12:00 pm
Also I think people need a little persective, Gaza is not a country which has a running military or almost any institution one would consider any nation even a third world one would have.
Israel is a small country and with in that country on a tiny narrow sliver of land lies Gaza, a densely populated area with a over 1.6 million inhabitants with a total size of 360kmsq or roughy 3 1/2 the size of manhanttan. A place which has been under siege since years now.
Firing off bombs into Gaza is like shooting fish in a barrel, you'll end up killing a lot more than the one you were aiming for.
So its not country vs country, But a heavily armed country vs a under siege neighbourhood the size of maybe 10-15 city blocks among which these not even 1% of population is the one that is attacking rather firing off dumb rockets that don't anything.
In Westbank the IDF will go in and arrest even 12 yr old boys, so why doesn't the so called most moral army in the world by its supporters go in and arrest or even kill these Hamas members ?
Delwin @ Fri Jul 11, 2014 12:00 pm
Let's also not forget that there are 650,000 people illegally occupying Palestinian lands, and regardless of what you feel about Israels right to defend itself, there is simply no right or justification for inhabiting someone else's land. It is a breach of international law that is completely ignored.
And it isn't, "oh when you stop the bombing, we will give the land back", there are now families living there who clearly have no intention of leaving.
This is the incentive on the Isreali side to maintain a state of conflict since ending the occupation would mean uprooting 650k of it's citizens.
So the choice of the Palestinians is to accept the theft of their lands or to do something about it. I heard people mention passive resistance, frankly, passive resistance isn't going to get them their land back.
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