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Oh I can do better than that Denser. You wanna see weird.

Here's Muslim YouTube sensation, and UK preacher Abu Waleed.





The more widely accepted definition of Dhimmi would be something like what you might find on Wikipedia.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi

Colloquially it is used as Bart correctly used it, but here in the free world you can use it in the strange way you prefer too, if you like. We're open-minded like that.

   

I actually think what Andy suggested to be a great idea, an unarmed population vs a nuclear armed state wont do so good militarily, civil disobidience on a massive scale, what we in asia call roughly translated wheel jam protests, come out into the streets by the millions and jam the entire country and don't leave until something is done, ala Tharir Square. But for that they have to be willing to face bloodshed and brutality at the hands of the Israelis, knowing their tendency for violence I see something even worse than Tiananmen Square. But it is better than living like they do and if they don't so something soon they will be pushed eventually into the desert by the Israelis.

   

I reiterate, in case you fully didn't understand the meaning

   

Well why it's on me and not you I don't know. Is it a Dhimmi thing? Good luck with that.

In any case, you're slow as usual, so I'll point out to you that I just did prove it.

The definition of Dhimmi can vary depending on who's using it. All are acceptable in general conversation. I showed you two different contextual definitions. You and Bart provided a third and a fourth.

God, I even provided an ugly bearded face pic for an illustration. What does it take to get past the indoctrination and penetrate what's left of brain-trained minds like yours with rational thought? A problem the Israelis deal with every day.

   

As you pointed out, Gaza is very densely populated. As the facts point out, that dense population freely elected Hamas as their leadership in a fair and internationally monitored election.

From a military point of view then any force entering that territory is going to face fire from every direction.

Having been in southern Afghanistan and having had the choice of leading a company into a town (to go after people who were likely baiting us to go after them so they could IED us) or to just call in readily-available air support and then go in and survey what's left I'll take option #2.

Israel does the same thing instead of wasting Israeli lives to save people who'd just as soon kill the Israelis given a chance.

And we can parse definitions all we want but I think we're on the same page that Israel will never submit to moslem rule any more than they'd submit to German rule. It's just not going to happen.

   

The reason is nothing that you post is credible Fibby. An individual opinion is not evidence of anything except an individual opinion, if this is the opinion of an authority on the subject then it has merit.

Some random internet post on an unknoen site is not evidence of anything, if this is a post from a credible news source, then it has merit.

The problem with your posts is you seem to not be able to decipher a credible source from a non-credible source, in fact, you seem inclined to post only non-credible sources, which reflects on your credibility as a poster.

I am not sure which search engine you are using, but it seems to have an algorithm that draws it to the very bowels of the internet. As a rule, you should stick to page one of google, at least until you get the hang of it.

   

Given that the last link Fiddy posted was Wiki I'm assuming that Wiki is not acceptable to you?

   

And thats another side of the situation, everybody is ready to accept Hamas as the freely elected leadership in a fair and internationally monitored election ( and I'm not disputing that ) when it serves their purpose. And just a band of terrorists when it doesn't. Can't have your cake and eat it too.

The instant Hamas was elected into power, Israel and the west clamped down on Gaza with its sanctions and siege, turning it into a open air prison it is today. Which is one of biggest reason why all of this is happening today in the first place.

If the British kept saying we will not negotiate with the terrorist, there would still be no peace there today. Eventually they did have to sit down with the NRA and hammer out a solution.

You're free to elect your leaders as long as they are who we want them to be. Doesn't work that way.

   

The other one was Daily Mail.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -park.html

And if he can't figure out how to type Abu Waleed into a search engine, or he doesn't know what Memri is (they're generally known for translating videos from the middle east into English) that isn't on me.

   

Thats night be the 1% truth from the mountain of bullshit he posts I was talking about, without even clicking on fiddlys link I see the Memri logo on the thumbnail, another liar and manipulator just like fiddly, so not even going to waste my time.

   

Memri is partisan, just as your sources for support are...on the rare occasions you post one, but did Waleed say what he said on the Memri video, or didn't he?

   

I agree that there is no military solution, obviously they are not going to win or even stalemate the IDF. The problem with demonstration in this case is that it would go largely unnoticed and the status quo would be maintained. Settlement would continue and nothing would change. They are largely fenced in and so have little voice with the larger Isreali popuation.

In my view, this is part of the reason they elected Hamas in the first place, they were sick of the status quo. Since the Oslo accord, the number of settlements tripled and the perimeter continued to close in. They saw Fatah as largely ineffective and corrupt and were desperate for change. If it was as simple as, just be nice and everything will fix itself, it would have been accomplished a long time ago.

Lets also remember that the settlements being discussed are not a bunch of tents, these are entire cities with shopping malls, schools and even a university.

This type of investment isn't made without thorough planning. Investors aren't thinking, OK, I'll build a city and hope the conflict doesn't end in 6 months. There was a degree of confidence that they would be recouping their investment.

This is a picture of the wall and another of a settlement Ariel. Named after Sharon.

   

Looks like settlement Ariel is quite the boost to property values.

   

Specially considering they didn't pay a dime to purchase it.

   

Yeah I guess crime really does pay.

   

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