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Ya like last week.. they need to work on a million more antiquated crap that they believe in..

   

agreed, many countries have some rather stupid laws, the problem is religion should never be used as a rudder when running a country. Its sad really, Hammurabi's code was created in the middle east, but countries are content instead with using Sharia Law. but back to the topic at hand, Vince Li. I don't care if this guy was on crack and meth (at the same time) he needs to stand trial and be sentenced to life without parole, if he walks it will show just how messed the Canadian legal system is.

   

The main issue was not that he was on drugs, it was that he may be suffering from some form of schizophrenia, which can complicate the story a little bit. Who is to say that he meant to do what he did? The defence attorney is gonna find it easy to find reasonable doubt in the crown attorney's case. In truth, if Li is suffering from mental illness, it would be unjust to just put him in prison. He needs to be sent to a mental hospital and be taken proper care of, as for his sentencing; it should be appropriate to the crime, life without parole is to extreme and would constitute as cruel and unusual punishment.
I think the public is very insensitive to look at this as a brutal murder, there are a lot of mental diseases out there that can really mess someone up.

   

It should not matter if "he meant to do what he did". He did, he murdered someone SO brutally...

He might have been mentally ill, he might have done it in cold blood. Your guess is as good as mine, and as long as it is not proven without a shadow of a doubt that this guy had some kind of mental disease, I am not gonna make up excuses.

   

This isn't an excuse, I'm just going on off of what was already stated in the article.
The truth is everyone is getting so wound up about this without knowing the facts. Some people probably already had an opinion before even reading the article. There are a lot of factors that come into play; the law, the accused's state of mind...etc. You can't just say that he deserves life without parole; this has nothing to do with emotions or what YOU would consider "justice", this is about the law and how to apply it reasonably.

And yes it does matter. It's easy to point the finger and judge, but volenteering at a hospital myself, these diseases are serious and believe me when i say, if he is suffering from mental illness, the issue should not be how do we punish him, but how do we make medical treatment mandatory for mentally ill patients to prevent this from ever happening again.

   

I am all for giving him his wish and executing him.
Euthenasia fits the bill.
And if you aren't going to do that then life with no parole. In a mental institute fine. But never should he set foot on the street.
It has been said many times before in these cases, but really, would you be ok with this guy living on your street?
Once that circuit in the brain blows once, it can blow again. I don't care how much treatment you give him.

   

Okay Euthansia totally does not fit in this case considering the man is still in perfect health, and so it would suffice as murder, and I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
And this isn't about having the guy live on my street because clearly the people who he lived next to didn't end up violently murdered on the news. This isn't the first time mental illness has played a factor in criminal offences, clearly you can't just keep incarcerating these people and ignorantly hope the problem goes away.

   

So health is only a physical concern not a mental one for voluntary death? Why is that?
The family he lived next to were lucky.
Maybe bus rides triggered it. Would you be ok sharing a bus seat with him?
Yes you can keep incarcerating people who kill with no reason. You probably won't find a lot of resistance to the idea.
When you can gaurantee he is cured, I will give it some thought.

   

First of all, tell the family of his victim the guy deserves their sympathy. If you would come to my door preaching that, you'd be lucky if you found me opening that door, because I would only kick you off my premesis.

Second, if you had read my posts in this thread, you would have known what I had said about this issue. Nothing judgemental, just withhold him his medication and let him suffer his action for the rest of his (and I hope eternal) life.

You are assuming he might have a mental illness. I am assuming that he might even have not. Who is right? You don't know, and I don't know. For now, let him rot.

The only way to prevent this from happening, as you might know very well, is not to stuff him with medication and eventually kick him back on the streets so he can forget about taking them and do it again, but is to lock him up for life. I couldn't care less if that was in a mental institution or not. I just don't want this murderer back on my streets. Simple as that. Next time it might be you(r loved one)...

   

Obviously he's not going to spend two years in a mental institution and that's it....mental illnesses require constant monitoring and medication for various symptoms such as hallucination, multiple personality disorder etc. The point is this guy might have been experiencing a hallucination at the time or it some sorta panicked paranoia. He's probably suffering a lot more than you think.
Do i believe that he was negligent of the fact that he needed to be medicated: yes, but that's the thing, crazy people don't think their crazy.
This is a broader issue, regarding the way the health of these people are handled and how they can pose a threat to society if overlooked.
To incarcerate these people for mental illness isn't all that different from the olden days when they used to banish leapers....
If you want injustice, then that's what your argument is heading to, punishing someone for something they weren't in the mind to commit.

   

Who's talking 2 years??? Even 20 is too short.

I don't think you have to explain mental health issues here though...

But, as long as a team of psychiatrist has not diagnosed what or if he is suffering from, you are assuming.

   

Too high profile. The guy isn't gonna see daylight again.
And I'm sure the family even in their grief knows the guy's wacko and wonders how WE fucked up so bad people like that are walking the streets.

   

Fine then, for all the sane people who hack people's heads off in the back of a bus we will punish them with life in prison. For all the insane ones we will treat them with life in a mental ward.

You still haven't answered my question. You ok with him sitting on the bus with you?
And if its ok for someone who has a physical illness to be euthanized then why not someone who is suffering from a mental one?

   

Would i want him to sit next to me on the bus in the state that he was in: obviously not, but once treated it's not the same situation. I've been around people with mental illnesses and when treated they aren't as extreme although it's still intimidating I'll admit for different reasons.

Come on, don't even call it euthanasia, pity for someone who is clinically dead is one thing, but it's clear that this wouldn't be because he is "suffering", it's that your looking for any argument that would provide enough justification to kill him, don't label that euthanasia.
Plus it's not like this disease can be managed...if he has one...again I'm going off of what i read in the article

   

Actually even the crown suggested he should be analyzed to see if he is in fact mentally ill so i would say I'm just suggesting a different perspective. If he isn't then obviously my opinion will change

As for the "Next time it might be you(r loved one)..." comment, I'd appreciate it if you left out the crude remarks, its just an opinion and I find it offensive that you would write something like that.

   

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