Hugo Chavez: Master tactician or failing bungler?
ridenrain ridenrain:
Not to mention that he had enough money left over to help out Colombian FARC gorillas and ramp up their military.
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CARACAS, Venezuela, Feb. 24 — Venezuela’s arms spending has climbed to more than $4 billion in the past two years, transforming the nation into Latin America’s largest weapons buyer and placing it ahead of other major purchasers in international arms markets like Pakistan and Iran.
Viva the revolution, Comrade.
Thats piss all considering Bush probably spends that every month trying to overthrow Chavez.
Plus if you consider the GDP of that country has gone from $6 Billion in the 90's to $34B he has the money to arm himself to the nuts.
That two or three fighter jets for the Americans - they spend more then that in fuel and bug washer fluid in the states every quarter.
C.M. Burns C.M. Burns:
ridenrain ridenrain:
Not to mention that he had enough money left over to help out Colombian FARC gorillas and ramp up their military.
Got any proof of that or are you just FOX-styling?
Also, I didn't see anyone else trying to free those 700 hostages. Just Hugo.
Canada is moving much of the aid money we waste in Africa to South America and we're also signing a "free trade" agreement with Columbia so with Chavez supporting rebels opperating in Columbia, I wonder how long it's going to be before we start trading insults.
None of his neighbors are very happy with him.
Thanos @ Tue Jun 17, 2008 9:11 pm
Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:
Meanwhile back at the ranch:
George "Dubya" Bush spent a trillion dollars on a failing, unnecessary war, drove up the countries debt, drove up unemployment and created a financial crisis.
In about the same period of time Hugo Chavez nationalized his countries oil resources and spent the money on his people, more people got jobs, literacy is on its way up and poverty is on its way down.
It is odd that when you’re a conservative Bush's legacy is a success...
Repeatedly stating that George Bush is a failure doesn't automatically make Chavez a success.
Thanos Thanos:
Repeatedly stating that George Bush is a failure doesn't automatically make Chavez a success.
And repeatedly stating that George Bush is a success is....well, just plain stupid. Chavez gets off on baiting the U.S. It works in South America because of history. He, however, has something to back himself up....oil! I suppose that Chavez is lucky that Iraq is such a mess. If not, I think we might have seen an enactment of the Monroe Doctrine---again.
CanAm1 CanAm1:
The Statue of Liberty says bring us your tired and your poor. I know that we have room, lets get them here and get them employed and making a life for themselves.
Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
Kinda doesn't go with modern thinking right now of most of the people here in the US. People of both parties also. Most politicians have their private thoughts and talk publically another way. The people themselves I think are mostly against opening the flood gates. There is so much wealth here in the US I just think we can get them here we can make them good members of society paying taxes and contributing instead of being a net drain, then we all benefit. I know that flies in the face of my conservative roots although I also preached helping the poor, and until a few months ago I didn't want the immigrants here unless they came in legally. I do however insist that they be net contributers to society and not takers only.

Most of the ones I see are extremely hard working and nice people. If you go to any country just to take and to make it shape to your life and not want to learn it's traditions and culture and only simmer in your own culture and traditions, then you need to stay home.

This is a good post. But what's rankling conservatives are not the immigrants who come here to start a new life, but the
colonists who come here to establish an outpost of their former nation or culture on our shores.
Myself, I welcome immigrants from Africa, China, India, Eastern Europe, Russia, and etc. because these people come here to be Americans and the majority end up being exceptional citizens.
On the other side, I take umbrage with the Mexicans who come here to make money to send home to Mexico and who come here and claim this country as a part of Mexico. I also do not care to have muslims in the USA who reject our Constitution in favor of sharia law. If they want to live here they need to embrace what it is to be an American - elsewise, they should stay home.
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Canada is moving much of the aid money we waste in Africa to South America and we're also signing a "free trade" agreement with Columbia so with Chavez supporting rebels opperating in Columbia, I wonder how long it's going to be before we start trading insults.
None of his neighbors are very happy with him.
FARC was around a long time before Chavez, and the South American leader that is unpopular here is Uribe.
C.M. Burns C.M. Burns:
ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:
C.M. Burns C.M. Burns:
No, YOUR knowledge. Not someone else's knowledge.
NO these are all well reasearched and qouted information. This is knowledge. Just cause it debunkes what you believe does not make it non information!
Harry Belafonte also he knows what he is talking about

OK. I get it. You can barely understand English.
Let me try again for readers from the NYC public school system.
me not say wikipedia wrong.
me ask what you know.
Donny_Brasco ask what you know.
tell what you know about bad president man in Venezuela.
Can you fucking sythesize the views on wikiepedia? Can you present your own views in a way that we can understand?
You made a pretty serious claim so let's see you put it all together for us!
Can you walk the walk or do you just talk the talk.
I have never been there to see how people live, I have seen news reports WITH PICTURES on ABC, NBC and even the CBC, And they show people living in tin roofed shacks, dumping their feces and garbege into a stream that runs through the middle of their nieghborhood. And most of these people were darker skinned people, then I have read reports that show how many people live below the poverty line and what their background is.
So in my view Hugo Chavez is full of shit and has not changed a thing in venzuela, Just differnet people getting rich. But of course you like him cause he is Anti-American. end of story commie
GO fys
C.M. Burns C.M. Burns:
ridenrain ridenrain:
Not to mention that he had enough money left over to help out Colombian FARC gorillas and ramp up their military.
Got any proof of that or are you just FOX-styling?
Why dont you prove somthing instead of asking everyone to prove their point and then when they do you dodge the whole point altogther.
Grow up!
Toro @ Wed Jun 18, 2008 3:51 pm
xerxes xerxes:
ridenrain ridenrain:
Lol. The only thing separating Venezuela from Zimbabwe is time.
The house of cards that blowhard has built can't stay up and pretty soon the gulags and death squads will be out to counter the counter-revolutionary program.
Again, Zimbabwe is nothing like Venezuela.
Venezuela is similar to Zimbabwe, only on a much smaller scale.
Venezuela is more like the Latin American countries of the 1970s and 1980s. Argentina, Paraguay, Brazil, Bolivia, Peru, Ecuador and Chile all experienced quadruple-digit inflation following similar policies as Hugh is today.
Inflation is over 40% in Venezuela, and shelves are empty in many stores as price controls are making it uneconomic for food producers to make food.
You are seeing similar things in Argentina. The government fired statisticians in the statistics department for attempting to publish inflation rising to over 20%. Exports of food are being blocked and farmers are on strike because it has become uneconomic to grow food. Argentina has large deposits of natural gas but the government has placed price caps on what energy companies can sell, so production has plummeted and Argentina now has to import gas from Bolivia.
Marx said that history repeats itself, first as tragedy then as farce. Farce is playing out in Venezuela.
At least Hugh is beginning to see the folly of his ways. A few days ago, he offered to cut the stamp tax on financial speculation and invest alongside businesses to increase production.
ridenrain ridenrain:
Canada is moving much of the aid money we waste in Africa to South America and we're also signing a "free trade" agreement with Columbia so with Chavez supporting rebels opperating in Columbia, I wonder how long it's going to be before we start trading insults.
None of his neighbors are very happy with him.
Supporting rebels? How about getting hostages freed...
As for his neighbours - he has more allies then you'd think. Colombia is a puppet of the USA don't forget. Hugo Chavez is the democratically elected leader of his country. No supreme court appointment there.
I support any government that gives their people an opportunity to benifit from the bounty of their land. I do not think selling your countries assets to the highest bidder is good for the long term welfare of the people.
America is rich enough - let the poor people catch up so they can enjoy lifestyles like me and you instead of watching rich people take their resources and throw them pennies.
You make it sould all warm and fuzzy but he's also shutting down media that disagrees with him and strying to extend his term forever.
Most people flinch badly when the leader says he has to make himself king just for a little while, so he can create a utopia.
Thanos Thanos:
Repeatedly stating that George Bush is a failure doesn't automatically make Chavez a success.
George Bush is a failure.
Chavez is a success because he would rather feed his people then follow Bush's failed plans for the western hemisphere.
If you don't have something to compare success and failure to - then there is no such thing.
Chavez raised the standards of living for most of his people. Bush has lowered the standards of living for most Americans.
ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:
So in my view Hugo Chavez is full of shit and has not changed a thing in venzuela, Just differnet people getting rich. But of course you like him cause he is Anti-American. end of story commie
GO fys
But even your Wiki post does not support what you are saying here. I've seen Canadians murder each other. Does that mean we are all desperate murderers? The stats and the facts point to Chavez's policies as working to imporve the standards of living for the poor. Does that mean they all live in suberbia and drive lexuses? Of course not.
Do you think continually funnelling money from the oil revenues to the rich oil companies would improve the standards that those people live under any better?
Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:
Thanos Thanos:
Repeatedly stating that George Bush is a failure doesn't automatically make Chavez a success.
George Bush is a failure.
Chavez is a success because he would rather feed his people then follow Bush's failed plans for the western hemisphere.
If you don't have something to compare success and failure to - then there is no such thing.
Chavez raised the standards of living for most of his people. Bush has lowered the standards of living for most Americans.
According to you and your communist agenda!